What's any of this got to do with child sex offenders?

Excellent comments gatr. Love the religious right quote! So true!

just a couple of points. It is nature, not nurture. We are all born the way we are, no one makes another person become gay. Second, most child sex offenders are heterosexual. Third, the religious right is neither. They are not religious, nor are they right.

Are you reading the truth, or what Editor Scott Angus wants you to hear ? It seems Mr. Angus has taken up censorship on other articles on the Gazette Extra.....

http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2009/jul...

By the way, I don't hate Christians. I'm the son of a very open-minded Methodist minister. I also have many Christian friends. They're the type of Christian that is kind, compassionate, and doesn't judge others. They're also the type that knows that homosexuals are born that way and that homosexuals are also part of God's creation and plan. They truly manifest the qualities and spirit of Jesus Christ.

I keep noticing how readers keep referring to this issue as "gay marriage". It's NOT marriage. You so-called Christians already took care of that possibility AND the possibility of civil unions on that shameful day in November, 2006 when both those amendments to the consitution were passed. Domestic partnerships just allow homosexuals to have some basic, decent human rights. It's a shame that there are some people out there who are even against that. What do they call themselves again? That's right. CHRISTIANS! Those that are supposed to manifest the qualities or spirit of Jesus Christ. Christ must really be upset with them.

Nice response prounion! It is very interesting how these so-called Christians pick and choose which bible verses they'll live by. There's also the one about eating shellfish. I hope none of them like shrimp!

FranktheTank's argument about "people wanting to marry animals next" shows just how crazy some of these so-called Christians are. It's a wonder he didn't mention people wanting to marry little green creatures from outerspace. Please Jesus. Protect me from your followers.

whonellie - why don't you quote a few verses of your book of love to support your point - then I will post a few that will make you want to stone someone for working on the sabbath. Pick and chose, then let the hating begin, religion just breeds ignorance and hate.

If churches don't want to accept homosexuality, so be it. That's why they are private organizations. However, homosexuals pay taxes like everyone else, so they should be granted the same civil rights. Domestic partnerships only grant about 43 rights compared to over 200 that marriage grants. These 43 include being able to make life and death decisions, visit each other in the hospital, etc. How can you so-called Christians be against such basic human rights? I'm not only for the separation of church and state, I'm for the separation of church and HATE! Start practicing what you preach, and stop being so selective with your bible verses.

techno: Homosexuality IS a choice! There is no evidence to the contrary, only guesses. Probably by liberal weirdos out there. God says I must love the sinner and not the sin, it is still sin in God's eyes. I said the act of homosexuality disgusts me not the person, if I didn't make that clear I'm sorry. Thanks Marissa for coming to my aid. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and that is mine. I'm grateful it's backed up by God's. I still stand with my other post!It is not natural and I shouldn't have to pay for your CHOSEN lifestyle.I did not ask anyone to commit suicide I just stated that left alone they homosexuality will die out because they can't really procreate anyway as was stated by Frankthetank.

Wow Techno. Wow. You attack Whoanellie for what??? Having beliefs? Knowing God's plan? Does anyone recall Noah and the flood? That was God's way of cleansing the earth from the filth humans refused to turn away from. Has anyone heard of AIDS? I didn't read that Whoanellie was wishing anyone to die...I read that perhaps they know history and know what the eventual outcome will be. You tell whoanellie not to twist the bible to make their point...why? Are you the only one allowed to as you clearly did in your statement? Unconditional love, biblically means that I have to love everyone...but I don't have to love their sins. I follow that. I had two very good friends who were gay and they died of AIDS. I loved them both and miss them greatly, their life choice doesn't make them less lovable, but it did take their lives.

Where on earth does anyone get that Ozzman is is anything other than educated? I didn't read anything about overweight...blah, blah, blah.

Prounion...it isn't about the age of the book...it is about the AUTHOR...duh!

I can't wait for your comments...this is the best comedy I have read yet!

@rockstars
Try to disprove this...

Male Sperm + Male Sperm does not equal baby.

Female Egg + Female Egg does not equl baby.

Try as hard as you like but there is no way it is going to happen.

Now if you want to hold hands and skip down State Street, be my guest. I'm always up for a little comedy.

Hey, WhoaNellie... make sure you repeat what you just wrote to your gay niece, nephew, or grandchild (if you don't know of one or more yet, you will). Maybe once they know how you really feel, they'll commit suicide. That should make you happy. After all "they can't procreate anyway by their own means," so what good are they to humanity? Right?

Pay attention, WhoaNellie... there are a few things you need to know. HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE. No one chooses to live a life of second-class citizenship and oppression in "the land of the free". Homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality. Homosexuals do not choose to be attracted to the same sex, nor do heterosexuals choose to be attracted to the opposite sex. Humans are SEXUAL, period.

Also, since you brought up the Bible, what about this... Jesus' moral teachings in Matthew and Luke encourage UNCONDITIONAL self-sacrificing God-like love for God and FOR ALL PEOPLE. It disgusts me when people like you pick and choose what you want to quote from the Bible and twist it's meanings to justify your own personal backwards beliefs.

You should be ashamed of yourself, WhoaNellie.

According to the bible homosexuality is an Abomination to God. It's unhealthy and is not natural. You can't have children unless you go by some other means and then it's not really genetically both of yours anyway. I think it should be abolised and it disgusts me. But if you leave them alone they will eventually die out because they can't procreate anyway by their own means!! that being said I think the governor and his cronies snuck one in on us! It was already decided in a vote by the people but tricky doyle and his fat cats got what they wanted anyway. We are not in charge anymore ,deviants are!!!

No Ozzman, social reprogressives like yourself should go beat your children, fatten up and go diabetic, take risks by not wearing a seatbelt or helmet, waste your money on booze and strip clubs, have unprotected sex and father as many trailer rats as you can, smoke your silly brains out wherever and whenever you like, and tuck a gun under your fat belly. Glad you agree no MA or medicare for you to fix your fat, diabetic, cancer ridden flat broke carcass.

Yeah libertarians are all for personal freedom... until someone has to pay for their bad life decisions.

You can't prove your own comments and conclusions, now you want to prove something to another person only because they believe in something you don't. Why don't you drop your dogma campaign of opposing at the drop of hat anytime a person mentions something they believe in?

Why not argue the points made---clearly hers are weak and un-supporting; instead you go after her beliefs…shows a pattern of intolerance and prejudice on your part.

Marrissa - you wrote: Congratualtions....YOU ARE ALL MORONS. Read the bible...first book.
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If we could prove to you there were earlier writings than the bible - would you start following those?

Ahh! Another typo. Should be "Something tells me that they wouldn't take it very well."

Bad news for all the Stevens out there.

vvv Oops! Supposed to be "as you're NOT smoking near others".

ozzman99,
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And look at that, you can raise your children how you want, eat what you want, make the conscience decision to not wear your seatbelt, spend your money how you'd like, and smoke wherever you'd like as long as you're smoking near others (anyone has just as much right to avoid smoke as you do to smoke), and have your guns.
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What exactly are you complaining about? And let's be honest, and no offense intended, your post made it sound like you're a thrice-divorced, obese, chain-smoking, gun-toting, hillbilly deadbeat dad. Not exactly Janesville's demographic, but, eh.
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This is a civil rights issue. Try telling a black person that you think their fight for equal rights is "stupid" and frivolous. Something tells me that they would take it very well.

"Polls show that for every ten years younger someone is, they're 10 percentage points more likely to support gay marriage. We'll get there, but we have to wait for the crazies who want to control other people's lives to die off."

You mean the social progressives like yourself that want to tell me how to raise my children, what types of food I should eat, force me to wear a seatbelt or helmet, tell me how I should spend my money, tell business owners whether or not they can let people smoke on their property that apparently you have a right and not a privelege to be on, take away my firearms, make me dependent on the government to solve my personal problems. Yeah liberals are all for personal freedom... As long as the personal freedom involves gay marrriage or abortion!

So with record deficits, unemployment at 25 year highs, businesses struggling to survive. Its nice to see that we the people can still fight over stupid social issues like gay marriage.

Rockstar you hit it all 110%. Their arguments are more built on hysteria and hatred. If this was 50 years ago, they could have passed a ban on interracial marriage. I'm sure they would have used the marrying animal’s argument then also. I find it amazing how these people call on the Bible to support their twisted views, but yet do not hold to the other things that the 'GOOD BOOK' tells them to do. It's ignorance that still drags us back into the dark ages.

FranktheTank: Whaaaaaaat? Pick your bible up and keep reading. If you're going by the book then I guess you better start selling your daughter(s) into slavery and stoning your neighbors and such, because gay marriage is the LEAST of your concerns.
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I deserve the right to get married just as you do (and I just did get married as a matter of fact!). Your argument fails so hard. Just because I'm gay doesn't mean that I can't have kids. I am more than able. I want children. I just have to go about it a little differently than you might.
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Do you have issues with all the couples that have to rely on in-vitro, too? That's not "natural", either. And, let's be honest, same sex relationships are much more prevalent in nature than in-vitro.
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FranktheTank's argument = epic fail.

sannio: "The state has absolutely no business being in our business in regard to marriage. Period."
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Are you saying that marriage is the church's business? Maybe we should start taking away all the tax exemptions that churches get since they're in the business of marriage and politics.
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Marriage is a STATE contract, not a religious rite of passage. Move on with your "Marriage is a religious institution" argument. It holds no water.

Marissa, you can't call us morons until you learn how to spell "congratulations".

15yearsthere, are you suggesting that gays, such as myself, should be tolerant of your desire to not allow me to be married? That's all conservative right wing Christians can come up with is that I should be tolerant of their bigotry. I think NOT. All men/women are created equal and deserve the same rights as everyone else.

How does being gay or gay marriage make any sense?

If you look at it from a biological / evolutionary standpoint, it makes absolutely no sense. Gay people getting it on does not further humanity. You can't have children that way. If everyone were gay, humanity would die off. Every athiest should be able to understand this.

If you look at it from a religious or spiritual standpoint, being gay removes one from being enlightened. If anyone belives that being gay will get them closer to God, then they have got some issues.

From a Christian perspective, see Marissa's comments. Way to go Marissa!

If you look at it from a logical standpoint, it just doesn't make sense to go digging in the garbage.

If it is simply about pleasure, where does it end? Will people want to marry animals next?

Homosexuality needs to be included in the DSM. Neurons firing incorrectly cause all sorts of afflicitions, this being one of them.

Don't get me wrong, I have no issue with gay people. By the same token, I don't issue with people who are schizophrenic. We need to be compassionate, but we shouldn't reward unnatural behavior.

Also to consider is that this isn't just for Gay couples. There are many straight couples who also chose, for whatever reason, to not marry and live together. So long as they meet the criteria, I don't know why anyone should care.

And with words like "crazies", "abomination", and a great misuse of the word "bigot", so much for understanding and tolerance from the pro-gay marriage group.

Members of a "social conservative group" filed the lawsuit. Once again, the religious right is making gays second class citizens. So much for tolerance and understanding.

I only read non-fiction.

Congratualtions....YOU ARE ALL MORONS. Read the bible...first book.

Lawyers want gay marriage for the divorce. Government WI Dept of Revenue and federal IRS needs gay marriage to levy assets on both incomes and property.

People get marriage licenses from the State for the same reason they buy bottled water when the water coming out of the faucet is probably better. The state has absolutely no business being in our business in regard to marriage. Period.

If anyone has missed the path of the state of Wisconsin, Minority Rules.

Thank you, AmishBob.

RetiredAirForce is right. They'll always be there but the small and narrow minded will eventually become the minority.

Why should discrimination have been allowed to be voted on in the first place? Hopefully at some point this abomination that was placed on our state constitution will be removed. Why should gay people be relegated to second class citizenship? It is a disgrace and if the so called moral leaders were to practice what they preach, maybe, just maybe everyone would be treated with the diginity and respect they deserve.

cmfnf, just because a majority of people voted that way doesn't make it right. Maybe next time the governor can put something in the budget that moves right wing bigots like you out of Wisconsin.
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And yes, if you are against gay marriage, you ARE a bigot. Quit taking offense that you're branded that way. You're the ones that are branding myself and other gay people as "immoral" and making up stories about "teaching homosexuality in schools". You can't teach something that's natural and prevalent in all facets of mammalian life.

"we have to wait for the crazies who want to control other people's lives to die off."
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This will never happen; there will always be people who think they know better how others should live their lives.

It is important to note that the governor did not just change it himself. In order for it to be in the budget for him to sign, it took a majority of the Assembly and a majority of the Senate to agree to put it in there to begin with.

As for how does it affect anyone else? It affects your taxes because domestic partners can be on the family insurance plan of state employees. I am not sure if that also goes for county, city, and school district employees.

It was voted on by the people of the state of WI. He has no right to undo what the people voted on. What else do you want the governor to change. What if he just willy-nilly chose to change the voting age to 45, or maybe 13?
Or change to year around school? The governor ought not be allowed to go against something that was put to a public vote.

Polls show that for every ten years younger someone is, they're 10 percentage points more likely to support gay marriage. We'll get there, but we have to wait for the crazies who want to control other people's lives to die off.

What business is it of mine who sleeps with who?

Who cares anymore. I am straight but I really could care less what someone else choses to do in their personal life. Who are we to judge what one can or cant do. Who are we to tell people what sex they can have relations with. It is not the goverments job to stick their noses in someone elses private life and dictate to them who, how or what their partners should be. Let our maker decide what is right or wrong when the time comes. Do we not have anything better to spend tax payers money on other then that of personal choices. Give me a break