I think mom should look at this as God protecting this child from her parents sin of ignorance! I believe this girl is much better off with God than her earthly parents!

Here's one to put to these idiot parents "God helps those who help themselves". Sitting back and letting your child die is not "helping yourself" it's murder.

Bill- I believe your interpretation of the verse is a literal one, can you apply that same scrutiny to the other verses I posted - specifically the one with the she-bears? In the meantime while you ignore that question - here are two more verses that say christians should be able to cure the sick.
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John 14 -
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Mark16:
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
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18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Yeah ok...truth is it takes one to know one. Your are the self professed expert, so...

Gee, thanks RAF, a compliment from you! Very unexpected. But when you think about it, it makes sense. Bible expert equals expert on liars and illiterates.

Yes we all know you are the expert on "illiterates and liars."

Kleej, that's a nice "foundation" you have there: A bunch of nonsense made up by illiterates and liars.

Another, you are wrong. You know nothing about the bible. You're not fooling anyone. Study the bible, then get back to us.

John 14 - Dang totally should have worked! Wonder what happened?

12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Mark16:
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
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18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
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Wonder why it didn't work? Jesus said it would.

Old saying from the middle eastern Sufi tradition: "Trust in God, but tether your camel first."

Yeah, the story changes. Sounds pretty similar to how you justify yours and others false statements; keep changing the answer hoping one of them will work.

Another - you are looking for gazzettefan to direct you to 1st Thessalonians - by 2nd Thessalonians the story changes. Just like the modern day end of the world cults, once the date passes, the date of the end of the world is pushed off, and the gulible continue to follow using whatever rationalization is provided.

I love how the blind faith crowd insist that I took passages out of context - but provide no other explanation other than its my fault it looks like god is evil.
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Take the yound men that call the prophet bald then they are cursed and god rips them apart with she-bears - come on, read the bible christians, your god drips in blood, rape,slaughter. In reality its just a book written by first century men, its not the word of god, wake up.

I don't know what's more stupid. These parents ignoring medical attention because they thought some praying was going to miraculously cure their child, or people actually posting some of the crap they are on here like there's actually an argument to be had. It's pretty simple, and if you can't see that, you need your head examined. If you're child is sick, take them to the doctor. You'd be amazed what technology and medicine can do. Hello? Jesus.
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And here is a little humor for you all to help break the tension. It's a must see. Ha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWZ59qIwX...

The fact that this family let their daughter die because of a supposed religious belief is ridiculous. The problem with this is that the child has no say in how they want to be treated. If the girl knew that she was going to die and her parents could take her to a doctor to save her life or let her die by praying, which choice would she have made? I guess that all depends on how much the family really believed. You can brainwash a child into thinking whatever you want them too.

lakennedy~ The simple minds like gazettefan just foam at the mouth waiting for articles like these to get published so they can't rant on and on about how much they know about things they have no clue about. I understand though. It must get quite lonely living a life that's got no foundation of truth working for them.

Excuse me, gazettefan.

you are not allowed to make things up. Please cite where this comment came from.

"the so-called prophets in the bible "predicted" things that were supposed to occur in the lifetimes of the "prophets." Even Jesus' new world was suppose to take place during his physical lifetime."

None of it is true. Prounion took things out of context. You simple made them up.

I don't hear anything outrageous in what she said, and nothing that isn't believed by other Christians. They believe (I don't) that the Fall brought mortality and illness into the world. Thus, sin in a general sense is the root of sickness. Many Christians also believe that suffering brings one closer to Christ. What is so different from these general Christian beliefs to the beliefs of this family?

mytoyota, the so-called prophets in the bible "predicted" things that were supposed to occur in the lifetimes of the "prophets." Even Jesus' new world was suppose to take place during his physical lifetime.

prounion....It is hard to just pull out verses like that without reading the entire stories and why they had to did what they were doing....again the wisdom of God is foolishness to men...There are many verses one could pull out and twist...loving, caring God's opinion of your posts....o.k. Just truth. One day every knee will bow, every tongue confess that He is Lord....

"Atheists DON'T use atheism as a basis for murdering people.
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Religious people use religion as a basis for murdering people."
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AMEN to that, GazetteFan!

Hey look, the bible/belief bashers have found a new thread to dribble in.

actually they do, gazettefan.

Except they don't call them people. They call them embryos.

It is important to distinguish between the Old Testament's interpretation of what happened and critical history.In order to write a reliable account, the historian needs more or less objective sources contemporary with the events themselves. . . . They reveal facts concerning the period in which they were written, but they do not necessarily contain literally accurate accounts of the events they report.
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Legal materials are sufficiently prominent in the Hebrew Scriptures that the term Torah (Law) came to be applied in Judaism to the first five books, and in early Christianity to the entire Old Testament. Legal writings dominate in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers. . . .
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Excerpts from The Bible at www.history.com/content/bible/old-testam...

realitybytes: LMAO! OMG! Tooooo funny!

wheres billnewbie when ya need him?

It is written that we should test all things by the word of God, the Bible.
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Matafoya-5 I am very interested in your loving caring god's opinion of my last three posts.

Jeremiah 48:10 (King James Version)

10Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.

Wow:
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2 Kings 2:23-25 (English Standard Version)
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23He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, "Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" 24And he turned around, and when he saw them,(A) he cursed them in the name of the LORD. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys. 25From there he went on to(B) Mount Carmel, and from there he returned(C) to Samaria.

Numbers 31
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15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Atheists DON'T use atheism as a basis for murdering people.

Religious people use religion as a basis for murdering people.

kleej:
I don't think that the media is trying to depict all Christians as anything. I think they're simply doing their jobs. I would argue that the majority of people, regardless of religous beliefs, would agree that this is scenerio is very extreme and very rare.
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While I do question the teachings of numerous religons, I don't believe for a second that any religon can be fairly represented by the actions of so few.
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I hope this young lady found peace.

Kleej....So true!!

"Religion is dangerous"... you are right! I don't like religion either! www.notreligion.com Noah parting the sea? It was Moses and why wouldn't you believe it? Adam didn't just hear the voice of God, he walked with God in the garden and talked with Him face to face. It was because of the sin that we are no longer able to see God. Sin seperates us from God....there is only one answer for that Jesus Christ who paid the ultimate price once and for all the ultimate sacrifice that we can be free from the bondage and weight that sin puts on us. Seriously, you can't look at all of creation from the tiniest detail to the largest detail and say that it just happened! Impossible! Again, try asking God every day to prove He is who He says He is and see what happens... Gary Primer...That is awesome He is your God too! NoCheapthrill...Continue researching your history and see how God was involved with the founding of the USA...Prove me entirely wrong...Religion is just rituals, symbolism, man-made creeds, man's attempt to get to God. God's love, mercy, grace now that is God reaching down to His creation. My God is the One true LIVING, God, Jehovah! Prove me wrong...These parent's were wrong in not seeking medical attention for their daughter when they first knew she had diabetes! They will answer to God for that decision. Not only did that decision make another bad name for christians but also for God and that is not what He would have someone do.

Some more media being used to try and depict Christians as ignorant and misguided. Keep whittling away and trying to do your part to take down the good people who actually make a stand and do what's right for the good of society and you'll go down with the ship like everyone else. The difference between "them" and "me"....I'll leave this place with dignity and peace in my heart.
The mother in this article doesn't represent the Christian nation, just as many ignorant atheists don't represent the "atheist nation".

A child has an accident and is gushing blood.
The child's parents (who are very religious) seem to think the child has sinned and is being punished by God.
The parents pray.
The wound continues to bleed.
The parents pray really, really, really hard.
The child bleeds out and dies.

God observes from heaven and is heard to say "Boy did I create some stupid creatures!"

nocheapthrill:
"I respect all religious beliefs"
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"Adults are free to bring their children up as they wish"
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Except when society does not like it or I disagree with it.
We cannot have it both ways people, pick a side.

I respect all religious beliefs so long as they don't impinge on the life, liberty or pursuit of happiness of others. Adults are free to bring their children up as they wish, but if their religious beliefs put their children's health/life at risk, that aspect of their religious beliefs is not acceptable.

NO we should not respect religion when it comes to the safety of our children. Their safety has to come first. This mom and dad belong in jail. If they want to deny their selves medical care so be it. But they had the responsibility to get her care. I hope they get long jail sentences.

prounion - No, we actually don't have to respect her beliefs. As a matter of fact, I have absolutely no respect for her beliefs. Especially for the sake of the poor kid who's now gone.

prounion: If an adult chooses to pray and die rather than seek medical treatment then yes; we should respect those wishes. However, this is a child and the religious beliefs were those of the parents. The parents were WRONG.

ma_tafoya5: I never said that expression was from the Bible. Just because something isn't from the Bible doesn't make is wrong.

"In God We Trust" was not printed on US money until 1864, and did not become the country's motto until 1956. The founding fathers had NOTHING to do with it.

Don't we need to respect her religious beliefs?

Oh my God.

God helps those who help themselves. The child died because her parents failed to act. It's too bad they couldn't have prayed for her WHILE she was recieving medical care. There are some medical doctors who pray before every surgery. What is becoming of this world??

Spark: Amen to that

Religion is dangerous.

I don't understand why you say to look at the sun, moon, stars, fish, animals and etc. to see that there is a God. How does that prove that there was one human that created all of that. Isn't the story of Adam and Eve the first humans that walked the earth? If that is true than God is not a human and just a voice that Adam heard? I'm confrused... And this confusion is why I don't trust the word of God... because I can't see the physical evidence in front of me. I know that history are stories of eye witness but I find it really hard to believe that Noah split a sea in two so that people could walk thru it... or that Eve ate an apple and now I have to spend $5 at Walgreens every month... I just don't see the validity to the stories....

realitybytes...God helps them who help themselves?....that is not even in the Bible, as a matter of fact God is more likely to help those who are not able to help themselves.... Yes, the parents should be criminally liable. A mysterious force, yes God is a mystery in some ways, but by looking around at the earth and all of creation which in itself is a mystery should be all the "commense sense" one would need to know there was a God that created it. Just because someone uses God's name to do something doesn't mean that it is really of God... God tells us in the Bible to test everything you hear including the words of people who say they are pastors, preachers, prophets, christians any one claiming to "hear from God" or know all about God. It is written that we should test all things by the word of God, the Bible. If someone told you to fix your car a certain way and you really weren't sure about it and didn't know that person very well, would you just take their advice or would you look into it further? I'm just saying...

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. - Martin Luther King Jr.
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I believe in God. I believe someday, he's going to drop kick this child's parents right upside the head for being so stupid.

chemical_6..stories you say...history books were written by men not all of it has tangible proof except the words of witnesses...scientists and archaeolists are continuing to find evidence of Bible truths and facts every year. Look at the animals, fish, plants, sky, the fact that if the sun were any closer to the earth we would fry or the moon any closer what would happen...that is all not just by accident...but again, it is written the wisdom of God is foolishness to men and those who do not believe. And besides, if you did pray to God (an "invisible man" you say) and all your family was healthy why wouldn't you say yay??

What's the expression I'm looking for....

God helps those who help themselves.

You can only trust in a mysterious force so long before your common sense should kick in. The parents should be held criminally liable.

In God we trust....it was already put up in government buildings and on government documents when our country was founded....Read history, read the true accounts of our founding fathers and know how they experienced God's hand in their decisions and how the soldiers in wars also experienced God's hand in the midst of battles...In God we trust, yes that is where it is at and will always be a part of United States of America....it just can't ever be denied..... I dare you to prove He isn't real. Ask Him every day to prove to you He is real and see what happens... I dare you!

I have prayed to an invisible man... and now all my family is healthy.... YAY...
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Give me a break. The bible is a book, written by man. A book full of stories...
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Where is the proof of this invisible man? I want to see undeniable proof that God was once an actual person that could do all the things the bible says he did.

The thing is God is not our puppet master, this girl's death was a result of her parents' choices. We are obviously given a choice in every situation. If God were to take complete control of all our decisions than we wouldn't have any freedoms to make up our own minds. There are rules of life, conduct, morality, values, it is our choice to follow them or not. God is not death to this little girl or to anyone. God is life to this girl in actuality. God being a "middle man", that is an interesting thought. I would say the doctor is the middle man being used of God to make me well. Again, God's thoughts and wisdom is so much more so than ours that why would I only want to rely on man's wisdom? Look at government, education, healthcare even parents, obviously man's wisdom is very much lacking in many areas. I personally have experienced His healing in my own body and know of a few people who have been healed of sicknesses and diseases that no way could have been just from the hands of a doctor. Many doctors have witnessed healings in patients that were unexplainable other than the fact that the patient or the patient's family had been praying for them. I have also experienced many prayers answered that could not possibly be just coincidence. Ignorance is bliss? Hmmmm....not sure what I would be ignorant of? I'm just saying...

The wages of sin = death.

IN GOD WE TRUST - lets pay to put it up on all government buildings.

Being a diabetic and having been in ketociodsis, it is NOT fun! You can't breathe, you can't think, you can't speak. In my opinion, this girl suffered and her parents were too dumb to realize that God also created doctors and they are here to help. Without them, I would not be here and nither would my son. I thank God everyday for him and my life. I wish those parents could have seen what they were doing to her instead of just praying for her.

Ma-5 looks like to this little girl god was death. And to her parents hopefully imprisonment - ignorance is bliss in your case I suppose.

Jesus approved of physicians. What we should do is pray for God's healing of the sick one, AND that the physicians,be wise and skilled in the treatment of the ill.

Regarding Truth or reality...God, Jehovah, Jesus Christ, The only One True, Living God. He is Just and Sovereign, His ways are higher than our ways, we cannot even begin to understand or comprehend His knowledge, wisdom or reasons. Not everyone agrees, people even get upset, enraged when they hear all of that. It is the way it goes. In the end it is written that every knee will bow every tongue will confess that He is Lord! To some it is nonsense to those who believe it is Hope, Joy, an unexplainable peace no matter what circumstance you are in. It is also written that the Wisdom of God is foolishness to those who do not believe....it is what it is. www.notreligion.com

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How convenient of god, he is just an absentee landlord with the problem solving skills of a petulant three year old...

sannio, we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him (Romans 8:28) but he also gives us freedom to make our own decisions. In my opinion, yes God does use all the things you listed for good but he will also allow us to use them for evil. The world will never be without war, some war is for good and some is not. Ultimately God will decide what was right & wrong.

This child suffered horribly until her brain swelled to the point she slipped into a coma and died. Diabetic ketoacidosis is NOT a pleasant and painless way to go. Simply tragic, particularly considering had she gotten appropriate treatment she would be alive and well today.

as predictable as the pot blogs are these days...there will be peeps showin up soon to explain who is right and who is wrong;)

Ever heard of common sense?

If God uses doctors, hospitals and medicines, does God also use soldiers, bombs, and chemical weapons? Some say God does. Some say God doesn't. Who's right? Who's wrong? Is there a right, or wrong? Who decides?

I feel bad for the dead girl; her mothers' misconceptions about religion killed her. I get very upset when I hear stuff like this because too many people die in the name of god. I hope this woman gets the maximum in this case. Call me heartless and callous- I don't care. She killed her daughter by denying her medical care. Diabetes is now a sin? I doubt it. Modern science vs. religion? Yes. Science would have kept her alive and well.

I am a Christian and also would pray for my child or spouse if they were sick and believe that God heals, however, I also believe that God uses doctors, hospitals and medicines in healing. If people were able to allow their children/family to die because they believed that prayer was all that was needed, what would be allowed next?