reality,
TO be honest, I am not sure. I would imagine some won't know they are illegal until age 15 when they can't get a learner's permit.
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I don't know how the process would work but I don't see deportation as the only option. Perhaps amnesty for any child who was taken from his home country and brought here illegally who qualifies for college may qualify for amnesty.
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Thanks for a respectful conversation about this topic. It is nice to know there are still people willing to ask questions instead of just insult.

whythink: what do you suggest these upstanding 17 year old high school students do when they turn 18? As adults do they now turn them selves in to the INS and hope they are granted green cards? Do they continue to live "undocumented"?
I agree it may be a bit heartless, but laws are laws. If they get deported they would have nobody to blame but their parents.

reality
You make is sound like it is easy for a young child to arrive in this country illegally, likely not speak the language, likely live in or near poverty and then qualify for college.
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I say give the kids the credit for doing the right thing once they arrived here.
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I am thinking about the 17 year old. He/she had nothing to do with being illegal in this country. All he/she did was learn our language and excel in school.
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Deporting him seems a bit unfair. He/she did nothing, NOTHING wrong.

whythink: If we allow the children of illegal immigrants to only pay the lower in-state tuition then I have to assume that you also mean we are letting them stay in the U.S.
Don't you think this is a dangerous incentive?
You are essentially telling people to break the law. Just sneak across our poorly defended borders, keep a low profile for a few years, and your kids will get an automatic pass to stay in the U.S. and get free healthcare and will only have to pay in-state tuition. If enough people like you are in charge the illegal immigrant problem will never go away.
Or don't you think that the millions of illegal "immigrants" are a problem?

whythink, I feel sorry for you.

Again, your intelligence keeps you from keeping up.
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Punishing them would mean taking away the opportunity to earn their way into college because at age 2 their parent(s) made a decision to bring them to this country illegally.
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My point is simply this, if a 17 year old qualifies for college, if they are the best applicant, then let them in. If at age 2 their parent chose to break the law, punish the parent, but don't take away a 17 year olds opportunity because of what was done to him/her at age 2.
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can you understand that point?

whythink, now we are "punishing" them if we don't cut tuition rates and create a new driver's card for illegal immigrants. Maybe we should give them all a 100 grand and 50 acres for all the years that we've been punishing them.

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You just aren't intelligent enough to understand my argument. You are too full of hate and ignorance to understand that it does not make sense to punish a child for their parents "crime."

@whythink, like I said you are a sniveling liberal without an intelligent defense of your position.

Spout, respectfully you can defend your statement all you want but I believe this statement (not you but the statement) is a racist statement.
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SPOUT SAID, "The politicians are giving this country away to Mexico without even a fight."
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My bottom line, a child brought her illegally at age 2 whom had never heard the english language before, and overcame her illegal status, inability to speak english to get to a point where she qualifies to graduate high school and enter a 4 year university should not be punished because of what her parents did when she was 2 year old.
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That is what this article was about and that was my original point.

@whythink, evidently you don't do a lot of thinking. There is nothing wrong with LEGAL Mexican immigrants being in the USA. The USA limits the numbers of immigrants from every country for a reason. A year or two ago the government of Mexico stated that they wanted to repatriate the USA. If you don't know what that means, look it up.

Well we should just let them come in and sit on their butts, let them get a drivers license, and live off our system,Vote, get food stamps and free healthcare!!!! Do they think we're stupid!!!?? Let them come in legally or not at all!! and if people in power think otherwise, get them out!!!
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I agree with you. BUT the children who arrive at a young age and might not even know about their status until they are teenagers shouldn't be treated the same as their parents who made the decision to break the law.
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IMO, if a child arrives in this country illegally as a toddler and is doing everything by the book in their life including qualifying for college they aren't just "sitting on their butt, collecting free benefits" they are working toward the American dream.
BTW, the sitting on butt comment is at a minimum a stereotype, many illegal immigrants come here and work hard doing jobs most American citizens turn down. Not all "sit on their butt" and collect benefits.
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Those spewing their hatred toward illegal immigrants can claim it isn't a racial issues but if it was a bunch of white canadians I don't think the hatred would be as strong and many of the negative stereotypes wouldn't exist.
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In additon: SPOUT SAID, "The politicians are giving this country away to Mexico without even a fight."
To me this is a racist comment. What is wrong with more Mexican immigrants being in this country? Obviously on a message board I am making some guesses but that comment sounds racist. I remember having a conversation with someone and mentioning that in like 20 years we (white people) won't be the majority in the US anymore...the person responded, that is scary.
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Combine that with some of the other "them, their country, sit on their butt" type comments and for some, I believe it is safe to assume this is a race issue.
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If it isn't for you and I offended you, I apologize but for some, let's not pretend it isn't.

@ whythink. Typical liberal sniveling to call one a racist when you don't agree with them and have no intelligent defense.

@ whythink, there is nothing racist about not wanting illegal immigrants in this country, they are criminals and it is against the law to be here. It has nothing to do with race.

reality: Great point!! I agree!

This really isnt't a racist issue. If we started to have MILLIONS of Canadians crossing the border wanting free education, free medical, and a "better life" we would still be having this same conversation. America can still be the land of opportunity; for those that follow the rules and enter the country legally!

Well we should just let them come in and sit on their butts, let them get a drivers license, and live off our system,Vote, get food stamps and free healthcare!!!! Do they think we're stupid!!!?? Let them come in legally or not at all!! and if people in power think otherwise, get them out!!!

What has happened to this country?
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Deport them.
Don't educate them.
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Wow, I am glad my ancestors weren't treated that way.
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Are the conservatives afraid of a little competition?
What is the harm of a kid who arrived illegally (by his parents choice) at age 2 being given an education and if successful with that education a chance to attend college?
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Oh, and I agree with the point that it is dangerous to pick and choose what laws should be followed but isn't it equally dangerous to be so racist and blind to not be willing to perhaps change a law that doesn't make sense?
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SPROUT SAID: "If the USA didn't educate the illegal immigrant kids, the parents wouldn't stay here. Any illegal's kids born in the USA should not be citizens either as they were here illegally. The politicians are giving this country away to Mexico without even a fight."
That might be the most blatantly racist comment I have ever read on these boards.
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Can we remember the parents of these children take a huge risk to come here illegally hoping to provide a better life for their children? Isn't that why most of us are currently living in this country?
How many of us have ancestors that arrived illegally? Or ancestors that weren't welcomed because of the same type of racism being demonstrated by posters like SPROUT?
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I don't understand the hatred toward our neighbor to the south. I just wonder if the Canadians were coming illegally would anyone care?
Can Canadians come to this country illegally?
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If the USA didn't educate the illegal immigrant kids, the parents wouldn't stay here. Any illegal's kids born in the USA should not be citizens either as they were here illegally. The politicians are giving this country away to Mexico without even a fight.

I've heard many comments that go something like: don't make the kids criminals because of their parents crimes. I assume that is why the liberal thinking, welfare loving politicians made it mandatory to teach illegals in our public schools.
Sure the kids may not have had a choice when their parents broke the law by illegally entering the U.S., BUT THEY ARE STILL HERE ILLEGALLY. Why should we overlook their crimes? I'm not saying that they should be punished, but deportation is JUSTIFIED.
It's a bad path when we start picking and choosing which laws we want to enforce. It's also a bad path when we give law-breakers equal benefits. In-state tuition (reduced rate) IS a benefit. Having a drivers license is NOT a right. Some criminals (like drunk drivers) actually lose their drivers license. Why would we give out drivers licenses to other group of criminals who shouldn't even be in the United States????

2manykids- this proposal puts them on an even playing field- not above. They would pay the same amount as your children and would have to meet all of the same requirements. Undocumented were previously required to pay "out of state" tuition which is higher. This bill only affects those that were here before 15 years of age and meet all entry requirements into college. On the FASFA, they are asked if they need to fill it out in Spanish, however, the education is not altered....

The magic word is legal-I have four children that are trying their hardest to make a living and two going to college-it is very frustrating when they are asked on applications if they need it in Spanish(check the first page on a FAFSA)not Irish or any other language just Spanish-please if you want to go to school here-play at a level field-you are no better than any other student and shouldn't get a "special" break just because you are illegal. Once again illegal means against the law-not law abiding.

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I understand your point. I guess I would take the "competition" is best point of view. If an 17 year old child who is technically "illegal" in this country scores the best on his/her tests, has the best GPA and credentials for a scholarship then he/she earned it.
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My point is this, if a child is brought to this country illegally they shouldn't be punished. If they assimilate to the point that they earn college awards, all the better.
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Blue 21- I am intrigued that you seem to think that you know who I am... Funny. I am not Latina. FYI: My great-grandfather came from Wales, great-grandmother native american. On the other side, both grandparents were English. And, should you care for me to prove such a thing, I would be more than happy to say hello to you, shake your hand, and, wish you a good day.... I don't take this issue personally. Our country was built on having differences of opinion and respecting one another for that... My point in mentioning the Irish, FYI: is simply that (as I stated) in future generations, as you said, "That was back before she or many of us were even born. It's a moot point." Therefore, a few generations from now, so will this be. So, I wish you a good day, and, I trust that your seemed hostility that is pointed directly at me is being misinterpreted through the computer screen. I have no shame behind my beliefs, and, respect that you may not share them, but, I won't try and attack or call you a "racist" or any of that nonsense for having a countering point of view. I wish you hadn't assumed that I had to be Latina to believe that which I do. I believe what I do because of my experiences, my education, and, my beliefs- just the same as we all do. And, yes, born and raised in Southern Wisconsin, white girl with children that have bright blue eyes and incredible blond curls. I don't have to look like someone in order to feel their plight nor to the sense the desperation that has caused them to risk life and limb to seek a better life for their children.

First of all, I know who ladulce is. She works for the county and spends a LOT of time "blogging" on county time.
Second, because she is Hispanic, she caters to these people, and bows down to them and caters to them.
That is why she is so defensive.
She talks about the Irish? That was back before she or many of us were even born. It's a moot point. She ignores the fact we are talking about ILLEGAL people. She doesn't care.

whythink: don't you think that the citizens of this country deserve to get into college and not have to compete with people who are here illegally. How many of the illegals actually graduate from high school? And are they eligible to receive loans from the government as well? They shouldn't be able to since it is difficult enough for citizens to get them. Maybe after graduating high school they should start the paperwork to become citizens.

THESE ARE KIDS! If they are just graduating High School they likely did not make the decision to break the law. They have attended school, assimilated to our society enough to graduate with enough credentials to get into a college the politicans are correct to give them a chance at college.
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Personally, HS graduation should equal citizenship.
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Again, these are just kids who appear to be doing the "right" thing, they shouldn't be treated like criminals because their parents brought them here illegally.

realitybytes
Jun 23, 2009 at 9:01 a.m.
Suggest removal this story has over 100 posts in less than a day. Why hasn't it made the "Most Popular Discussions for Stories" list?

I wonder too how they get the most emailed and popular discussion list. not long ago the lady with the phone in the chips poped up. not any new comments on it. just the other day I though something happened AGAIN. same story from awhile ago and no current posts. I will email and ask.

janesvillecomments: Cyber high 5!! LMAO!!!

ladulce, per the article you linked to: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-o...
"Latino activists bend over backward trying to cloak undocumented Mexican migrants in the slogan "We are America," but their Irish counterparts don't feel similarly obliged."
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Apparently some Irish still have the attitude problem about assimilation. However... 50,000 Irish vs ballpark estimates of 12-20 million illegal Mexican and Central American illegal aliens. I'll accept 50,000 snooty Hispanic illegal aliens in this country if you can get the other 11,950,000 to 19,950,000 to leave of their own accord. Is that a deal?

justsomeone- have you any clue to what I was responding???? Quite obviously, if I am in a store, speaking Spanish with a client or friend, and someone comes up and tells me to SPEAK ENGLISH, THEY are the ones being rude.... So, your statement is simply nonsensical. Obviously, I am minding my own business- and, my comment was in response to Ms. Momof5's comment about telling people to speak English.

Politicians, being here illegally is against the LAW, enforce it! Round up and deport illegal immigrants. Soon as we replace the bunch of bleeding heart politicians that coddle illegal immigrants that are automatic criminals this could be reality.

ladulce - Next time before you speak to someone "to "educate" the ignorant about EXACTLY what my rights are in this country", stop and THINK about what rights they also have as a citizen. You usually get respect if you show respect.

Our coward politicians from both parties are catering to the potential hispanic vote as they abandon our rights as Americans!

ladulce: As a CITIZEN, you are correct, that is your right. However, in my OPINION (as jaded and slightly off center as that may be), if you are in this country ILLEGALLY, you have NO rights and should not be afforded the right to choose which language you speak let alone be allowed to drive or receive a tuition break because some liberal bleeding heart in Madison lobbied for you to be able to do so.....

PS--I am also fluent in Spanish. Makes me SICK everytime I have to use my skills that I PAID money for to communicate to a 5 year olds parents because they don't know a lick of English and were using their child as a pawn err interpreter (probably using the ESL OUR tax dollars paid for while LEGAL children go without.....)

This is NOT a race issue or a matter of being a racist, bigot or ignorant. It is a matter of following a very simple LAW. You want to choose which language you speak? You want to have a "driver's card"? You want to receive tuition breaks? BECOME A LEGAL CITIZEN. I don't care if you are from Timbuktu, Mexico, Ireland, the North Pole or Malawia...just have enough RESPECT for those who came before you and are here now to be a legal citizen. Period.

momof5- I am fluent in both Spanish and English, and, in this country, I have the right to speak what I please... So, should you encounter me, and, tell me to "speak English"- be prepared.... I am not a wallflower, and, I have more than once taken the opportunity to "educate" the ignorant about EXACTLY what my rights are in this country- to speak whatever I please.... Vocally and loudly announcing your racist comment. Be wary of who you harass. You may be the "big kid" to some poor person that doesn't understand you, but, I do, and, I will put you in your place...... And, no I am not Latina- very fair-skinned white girl- yet, I have still been told to "speak English"- really!

916WI: Did you actually read the post that I was responding to from Momof5? The last few sentences of her post don't refer to subsidization of anybody's education. I'm not sure either way how I personally feel about in-state tuition for undocumented students, although I do try and keep an open mind about people and why they are here in the US. I don't look at somebody, see brown skin, and decide that he or she is an "illegal alien." I wish I could say the same for our society as a whole. There is no way of knowing just by looking at somebody whether he or she is in the US with the correct documentation or not. I found Momof5's comment to be racist in content because of the statements that she made specifically. I did not accuse every commenter of being racist, nor would I.

Momof5: Again, you have no way of knowing whether somebody is in the US legally or not just by hearing him or her speak a language that is not English. I am English-Spanish bilingual. If you heard me speaking Spanish in public would you assume I'm illegal? Probably not, because I'm white. So how exactly do you know that other people who speak Spanish in public are illegal or not? If you heard somebody speaking French would you assume that person were illegal? What about German? Russian? Portuguese? I understand that you feel strongly that people living in the United States should speak English, and that's an opinion that I can support. I teach ESL. What I can't support is the idea that all people who don't speak English are illegal. Re-read your last comment and you will see that it is what you've implied.

April 8, 2007
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There are an estimated 50,000 Irish illegal immigrants in the U.S.; 30,000 of them are thought to live in New York City. Today, this tiny corner in the northern reaches of the Bronx is perhaps the most heavily Irish-born neighborhood in New York, and advocates believe that as many as 40% of local immigrants are undocumented.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-o...

DL: I would ask but they probably wouldn't understand what I am saying. I'm all for being proud of your heritage and have no problems with ethnic festivals, groups, etc.., What I have a GYNORMOUS problem with is ILLEGALS who are "so thankful" for the opportunities this GREAT country has afforded them but yet they don't have the decency to learn the language.

And, I have said that to many people...speak English!!!

To quote 'illegalalien'..........
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"NEXT TIME I CRASH"......
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Well, therein lies part of the problem.

this story has over 100 posts in less than a day. Why hasn't it made the "Most Popular Discussions for Stories" list?

Ladulce--The $35,000,000,000 to educate the illegals through the Dream Act....Were exactly would the money come from to fund that program?

DL...Please don't throw out the racist card either. What you define as racism many of us define as intolerance toward law breaking. 99% of us would support posters such as Bella who went through the immigration process legally. As far as those that crossed the border illegally, they are lucky they aren't being jailed for breaking the laws--there is no way we(legal citizens) should have to subsidize their education. Can you imagine the the next wave of illegals that would flood this state looking for a taxpayer subsidized, discounted education? I can--and it wouldn't be pretty........

ladulce, the Irish Immigrants came to America LEGALLY, went through immigration and were DOCUMENTED by the Federal Government. Many of them were discriminated against, but they didn't break the law to enter or stay in the U.S. That's a big difference.
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A primary goal of earlier generations of immigrants during that era was to assimilate our culture and learn English if they didn't already know it. The Irish already knew English but they tended to be insular and not adapt very well. Their transferred their resentment against Protestant English landlords to Protestant Americans. In contrast, the Italians, Greeks, Hungarians, Poles, Norwegians, Germans, French, etc. didn't cop an attitude as an ethnic group.
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Perhaps a good deal of the anger towards and mistrust of Hispanics would fade if the majority of them went through Immigration and were here legally. We would know they had undergone at least a cursory criminal background check, had their vaccinations, and were aware of and accountable for our laws pertaining to immigration and naturalization.

You cannot claim to respect the law if you are in this country illegally and drive without a license. Leaving the scene of an accident is also against the law. No one is forced to break the law. We must choose to follow laws or suffer the consequences. All countries have laws and people are obligated to obey them when they are in those countries regardless of their personal circumstances. You are not allowed to interpret them as to how you think that they should apply to you. That task is reserved for judges.

Why don't we as citizens of the state recall the governor and state senators etc. We sit around and complain about the way things are done, by GOD I bet they would start to listen to us if we start the proper procedures of having them remove from office. I for one am fed up with the politicans that will not listen to us. So is there anyone out there that knows how to start the process of a recall, lets make them stand up for their actions!!!!!

I'm curious, if someone has been convicted of a felony and as a result is "unable" to own a firearm should we pass legislation that they should be required to register the gun they own illegaly and take a taxpayer funded course on gun safety or if they are found with a gun in violation of the law should we take it from them and charge them with a crime?

Clearly, some think it should be the former. Since they already have the gun and we have no concrete evidence that they will use it to cause harm we should turn a blind eye to the fact that they are in violation of the law and help them to find more effective ways to be a gun owner. Right?

Why is Wisconsin pandering to these ILLEGAL ALIENS? What they should be doing is passing an Illegal Immigration Law like Arizona, Oklahoma, Georgia, South Carolina, Utah, Nebraska, Missouri and Mississippi and a few other States.

It's time for ZERO TOLERENCE with these ILLEGAL ALIENS. It's time for them to get back to their own country where they belong. Stop pandering to the ILLEGAL ALIENS and get some laws passed to get rid of them. When you get rid of the ILLEGAL ALIENS, you get rid of all the problems that go with them. THAT IS A FACT!

WISCONSIN, Get a State Illegal Immigration Law passed. It's the best thing you can do for your State and the very best thing you can do for the LEGAL residents of Wisconsin.

Ladulce, thank you for sharing facts rather than opinions based in racism and misplaced anger. It's very refreshing to see a reasonable comment here.

Momof5, if you really believe what you typed then you clearly have no idea why people (documented or not) immigrate to the United States. People can be proud of and nostalgic for their countries of origin and still feel thankful for the opportunities available to them in the United States; it's the same as a family that's been in the US for centuries being proud of their Italian background. Also, how exactly do you know whether the people displaying those flags are US citizens, legal residents, or undocumented immigrants? Have you asked them personally? Because I highly doubt that you have. In the future, please think before spouting hateful and racist ideas.

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FEDERAL GRANTS

Under current law, LPRs, refugees and U.S. citizens are eligible for all federal higher education grants and loans, including Pell Grants, while undocumented immigrants and many miscellaneous categories of immigrants are ineligible. Under the original DREAM Act, beneficiaries also would have been eligible for these federal higher education loans and grants once they were granted conditional resident status, but the Grassley-Feinstein amendment would eliminate eligibility for federal grants.

This change would create a situation wherein students would be required to go to college to avoid deportation but would not receive the financial help they may need to be able to do so. In support of this provision, Feinstein argued that she did not want "to be in the position of denying a legal person a Pell grant to give it to somebody that is here illegally." In fact, no such trade-off would be required. Rather, the DREAM Act would effect a small increase in the amount of money available for Pell grants, about $35 million per year in a program with an annual budget of about $11 billion. And the return on investment for this expenditure would be enormous. Beneficiaries would earn more money, pay more taxes, and cost less in social services and criminal justice expenditures.
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http://www.nilc.org/immlawpolicy/cdev/co...

Part of being a legal resident of the United States is having valid documentation that proves who you are. A valid birth certificate, valid social security number, valid passport, valid green card, valid student ID, valid work permit, a valid SOMETHING. Those people who sneak into this country are FAR more likely to have either no identification or FAKE identification. How are we to FAIRLY assess if somebody is paying their share of taxes/fees if they are not properly documented.
Sales tax is pretty easy to assess since it is collected at the time of sale. However, is somebody paying their fair share of income taxes if they have a fake social security number and fake name? Not likely! Some people argue that illegal aliens are actually getting short changed when it comes to being able to claim workers compensation or unemployment. Get real! If they really feel that way they are welcome to leave the country and come back with the valid paperwork that makes them a LEGAL resident.
One more point. The term "undocumented resident" makes it sound like somebody lost their ID. Illegal is illegal. Let's try enforcing the existing immigration laws.

ladulce: I sincerely doubt that the tuition "they" actually pay out of pocket will be the same "we" pay out of pocket. There are plenty more grants etc.., available to the minority population. Wonderful. Benevolent. But, extend those BENEFITS to those who are here LEGALLY! And, by George, I'm all for being proud of one's heritage, but don't display your "home" country's flag on your car like it is sooo great and ignore the country that is GIVING you that freedom to do so. If the homeland was so great, why did you leave to begin with? I bet a lot of these illegals wouldn't even know the US flag if it bit them in the....

Democrat & Republican politicians continue to pander to the growing hispanic community, knowing full well the sooner they become legalized they will repay the pols with their new found voting rights. Thanks for selling out America!

INS is now ICE- and, they are the only ones legally able to hold someone for being in the state without proper authorization. Also, this isn't some high crime according to federal statutes- it is treated on the same level as trespassing. If ejected from the US once for illegal entry, penalty is not being allowed to re-enter legally. If ejected a second time, a person could go through court...
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You are all aware that we historically went through this exact same fear when the Irish arrived? The discrimination and fear surrounding the arrival of the arrival of both Latinos and the Irish is very, very similar... So, think, in a few generations, there will be some other poor group that can be blamed for all of our problems! YAy us! And, no, most of the posts aren't racially biased, but, the ones that are- really.....

hannah- MANY Undocumented own homes.... There are several companies that work with ITINs instead of socials.
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Secondly, in-state tuition means that you pay the same as other residents of this state. It is not free. Much like we have an agreement with Minnesota and Illinois that we all pay "in state" tuition, it is the same thing. The pre-requisite is living in one of these 3 states for 3 years before applying for college. The current proposal that was brought up for congress states that an undocumented individual would have to have spent at least 3 years here before completing high school, graduate from a tri-state high school, and, obviously have a high enough GPA to be admitted into a college. Point here being: IF they were brought into the country before they were 18, they have legally committed no crimes. They were children when brought here, and, have no reason to be punished after they go through our school system. Also, the discount is the same as you or I or any other resident would get. It is making it the same for these children who had no choice in their arrival here. So, NO it can't be used for adults to 'go back to school'.

I listened to WCLO on the way home from work, and learned this isn't an immigration issue, it's a safety issue with the driver IDs. Immigration is a federal issue, not a state one. Doyle favors the tuition part.

I work in Madison and was re-ended last year by an immigrant that didn't even have a drivers license (or obviously insurance). Luckily there was no damage to my vehicle, but do you think that the cop that came would arrest the guy that was driving without a license...NOPE! Just made him give me his info incase I found damage to my vehicle. I refused to give my information to the gentelman (which the cop understood), but why wasn't this guy arrested?? Makes no sense to me.

Wisconsin cops should arrest any illegal alien for driving without a license or any other violation of the law. If INS won't deport them, let's contract out to that Arizona Sheriff that puts offenders in pink jumpsuits and houses them outside in tents and feeds them bologna.
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Perhaps after a few months of that lifestyle for driving without a license, they'll break jail and slip back over the border, deporting themselves.

Why are we even asking this question. There Illegal. Is this are tax dollars hard at work? Also, will my legal son or daughter get the same break. Just say No!!!

If we can't follow the law then why have a law?
If your an illegal, your an illegal no matter what your reason or justification is.
We have the right to decide who to admit and not admit into our country. Follow the system and do it right then no problem.
I am sorry if one can't earn as much in their country but that is a problem for that that country has to solve and not take advantage of the U.S.A.
If we crossed the boarder, illegally, we would most likely be thrown in jail or deported unless you could pay a nice amount in a bribe.
We complain about the cost of medical care. We complain about the cost of this or that and yet we are willing to let part of the problem continue on because we don't want to solve it. The solving problem is because our elected officials are afraid of losing votes and I didn't know illegals could vote.
And, if an illegal takes your job because he or she is willing to work for less, don't complain if your not willing to take a stand.

luluberry"Next they are going to ask for free health care and free housing"

dont they already- welfare and medical or just welfare?

bella"hannah - let's not attack all illegal immigrants and bring up stereotypes"

I am not. I am just saying illegal would own a home because they couldnt get a loan. so all these taxes somebody said theyre paying arent being paid.
come if you like BUT do it legally!!!!

JA! JA! JA! WE ARE TAKING OVER!!!!! JANESVILLE ....WISCONSIN...USA...THEN THE WORLD SHALL BE MINE. I AM BEING SARCASTIC, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE MUST, I WISH I COULD ID MYSELF AND AT LEAST DRIVE LEGALLY, BUT THERE IS NO CHOICE. NEXT TIME I CRASH, I GUESS I WILL JUST HAVE RUN BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE A LICENSE. STOP BEING INTOLERANT AND LETS DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE. I RESPECT THE LAW, PAY TAXES, HAVE INSURANCE, STILL NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE. WHICH I DO ANYWAYS, SOMEONE HAS TO PLACE FOOD ON THE TABLE.

The only option that should be out there is to send the illegals back to where they came from and make them enter this county legally. They should learn English and abide by our laws. Why do we have to pay for them when we should be more concerned about ourselves? Why do we have to have English as a Second Language teachers in our schools? Why do we loose our jobs to illegals?

Where does the idea that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes come from? Who started that rumor? Why do people state "well they don't pay taxes!" as if it were a strong debatable point? If a person is being paid, then federal and state taxes are being deducted from his or her paycheck. The only people who don't pay taxes are those who are paid "under the table." Considering the fact that United States citizens also receive "under the table" payment, the argument just isn't valid.

Even more, undocumented workers pay taxes, but when they are legitimately injured on the job they don't receive SS-disability, they don't receive unemployment when they're laid off, nor do they receive income tax refunds. All of the tax money paid in by undocumented workers is instead awarded to United States citizens who know how to work the system and get money for nothing - like all of our single-mothers on welfare who have no job, but keep popping out babies.

The fact that our society as a whole refuses to look at the issue of illegal immigration from both sides saddens me beyond belief. It's easy to sit here and pass judgment when we're well-off (and yes, I know we're in an economic recession but we are still better off then MUCH of the world). However, I do not believe for a second that if the roles were reversed, if the US dollar were worth 1/10 of a Mexican peso, that all of us high-and-mighty US citizens would just sit here and say "oh, well". We'd be running for the border in seconds! And I imagine that those of you complaining about the "illegal aliens" would be the first to tear down the wall.

People do what they have to do to provide for their families, to keep them safe, and to give them a better life. After all, isn't that the American Dream? Rather than judging other people for wanting the same thing as us, shouldn't we be doing something to help them achieve that goal?

Undocumented immigrants are being referred to repeatedly as "criminals" by a number of commenters, as though you are all perfect, law-abiding citizens. Rather than taking out all of your anger and aggression on people that you don't even know, why don't we open our blind eyes to what's going on in the world and work together to make the appropriate CHANGES. Perhaps in-state tuition isn't the solution or change we need, but there are many other options out there.

/facepalm

Next they are going to ask for free health care and free housing. Give me a break.

SW2008...well, what about MY kids....my law abiding kids?
They didn't do anything wrong, and neither have I.
I have a feeling you are an illegal or are shacked up with one. Only someone like that would be for giving so many benefits to the criminals.

Slantbob,
thats a darn good question. My son will be starting at Craig in the next couple of years. What would they do if I refuse to give them a copy of my sons birth certificate?

Face facts. The argument has been put forward that all of us are descended from immigrants, and that at one time or another, there were waves of immigrants from Italy, Germany, Eastern Europe, wherever, and that that is no different than the current wave of Latinos washing across our land.

Untrue.

When the Italians, the Poles, the Germans, whoever, came here, there were strict quotas as to how many could come from each country, and there were requirements for either sufficient capitalization or a sponsor.

There are no effective controls on illegal immigration today, save perhaps if the prospective immigrant comes in via plane.

At the rate the U.S.A. is absorbing Latino immigrants, there will be very little left of our culture and our traditional way of life. In our local schools here, what was a few Latino children in the class when our oldest son attended is now a few White children in the class that our granddaughter attends.

I have no problem with Latinos, I enjoy their culture and their company, but at the same time, I love our American culture, and don't wish to see it swept aside by another.

So, does this make me a racist? Will this be yet another post deleted for speaking the truth?

Wake up.

If a school can't ask for proof of citizenship, then why do they require a copy of your child's birth certificate to enroll them as a student?

Heck NO.
LEGAL aliens from Japan, Ireland, China, and Korea have to have $10,000 in an account for medical insurance. And ILLEGAL aliens, whose parents have NEVER paid taxes in our state to these school, all of a sudden get in-state tuition?
Part of me feels a but nuetral towards this, because I doubt many illegals are smart enough to take the ACT and get in anyway.

Also, is this only for HISPANIC immigrants, or does this apply to Canadians and immigrants of Russian descent? I'm guessing that you would have to be brown to take advantage of this... otherwise we will have an influx of white students from out of state that are citizens, but don;t want to pay out of state tuition...

Schools cannot ask for proof of citizenship. Schools are there to provide an education to all children. It is not their job to check legal status. I'm not saying I agree with this, I'm just telling you what the law says.

hannah - let's not attack all illegal immigrants and bring up stereotypes. Homeowners or renters; it doesn't matter. A lot of illegal immigrants left poverty you and I can never fathom, and they are creating a better life for themselves here. We should be directing our frustration at our political leaders who continue to throw bandaids at the huge problem that illegal immigration is. Instead of worrying about driver's licenses and car insurance, let's put some funding into working with illegals. In my opinion, give those that are willing the opportunity to seek legal status through the immigration system. Those that are not willing - deport them. Those whose applications are denied - deport them. None of us benefit from illegal immigration, and it is a great risk to homeland security. When the police are too busy to care about a person's legal immigration status, then we have a problem. When schools are knowingly teaching children of illegals, then we have a problem. There should be follow-up in these cases, where an immigration offical investigates and makes a decision on whether someone can stay and apply for residency, or whether they get deported because they don't meet the criteria. The system is too lax. It's set up for people to take advantage of, and we almost cannot blame those who do.

Well I just sent off emails to Robson and Bendict. Unbelievable. There are too many people in the state that need help without helping those who are illegal.
I'm sure there are MANY better ways to use that budget money.

Don't we have enough bad drivers on the road? I mean we already have to deal with FIB's from the south.. Now this? Ugh....

Aiding, abetting, harboring, encouraging illegals a felony....how 'bout a class action suit against any Wisconsin lawmaker that votes for this??????

ok I haven't ready any of the blog yet, but what the HELL? So why in the world would ILLEGAL immigrants get special privleges. THis makes no sense to me.

if you have a fake soc sec number and claim exempt and dont file a tax return - NO TAX IS PAID.and dont even want to go there with stolen soc sec numbers. propery tax? not by them they dont OWN a home they rent.

sw2008- it is ALWAYS the children who want to go to college?????? or is it adult illegals that want to go??

Bella is making more sense...and that should be the focus of any proposal to the legislation.

Something such as this should be directly voted upon by the citizens, as it affects us directly. No way should we continue to back up and draw new lines in the sand. This has got to stop, no more reward for bad behavior. America is where people want to move to, then only through legal process or you don't get our privileges----SUCH AS DRIVING WITH A LICENSE! (or any other rights). This is a dumb proposal. Being a bleeding heart for this kind of proposal, only enhances the problem in the end.

Bella, thank you for doing things the correct way. You can be very proud of yourself. This country can be proud to have you here!

If an American can not get a tuition break why should these people, it is not fair.
The way they drive they need to put a big flag up so you know where they are so you go around them.

SW2008 - you are right; becoming a LPR (Legal Permanent Resident) is not an easy process. Nor should it be! As as citizen of another country, your government should do its due diligence in making sure I am someone you'd want in your country. I started my process many years ago - first a student visa. Then a practical training visa upon graduation. Then an employer-sponsored work visa. Then numerous extensions of the work via while the applications for permanent residency (green card) worked their way through the DOL and later the INS, now USCIS. The process has taken me over 10 years. But I know that when I present my green card, I present something that I earned the right way. I didn't take short cuts or expect to be given certain rights before I had earned them on my own merit. The beauty of the American immigration process is that as long as you are filing the right applications, you are allowed to remain in the country while your application is being processed. This is why I don't understand why there are illegals that live here their entire lives without ever filing the appropriate paperwork. Maybe our efforts should focus in on making sure they apply for legal status instead of issuing driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. Seems more rational to me.

I was just told there are a couple hundred people rallying at the capitol right now in favor of this.
Let your voice be heard...
Sen. Robson 1-800-334-1468
Rep. Sheridan 1-888-947-0044
Rep. Hixson 1-888-534-0043
Rep. Benedict 1-608-266-9967.

Write your rep, lets stop this once and for all, Iam sick of do gooder Doyle, He cant even run the state without a budget deficit. We are suppose to live within our means, so should the state, making bad investments, they should not be investing our money period...

bella has it right. If American business owners didn't hire illegal workers, they would have no reason to be here, period. So before everyone get's all in a huff about "illegals getting reduced tuition" lets fix the problem at the source. Your neighbors and fellow Americans who continually hire illegals, over and over again.

Don't blame the kids for wanting an education. No matter what country or economic situation they came from, they are still children.

That being said, American higher education needs to be more affordable for Americans first. Going 50k in debt to get a bachelors in anything is absurd.

I also notice this incredibly short news item is pretty short on specifics.

1st: How does an illegal immigrant gradute from a Wisconsin high school? Aren't there residency requirements?

2nd: How does an illegal immigrant meet the residency requirements in Wisconsin? People who live in other states have to pay an out of state tuition; tuition breaks should go to US residents and legal citizens ONLY.

3rd: No proof of identity or legal right to live in the US= No drivers license.

4th: Contact your legislator and demand no special privilages for illegal aliens.

I consider myself to be a fairly rational person and I find it highly irrational to be in favor of granting governmental privileges to people who smuggled themselves illegally into our country. I also find the argument that we are better off having illegal immigrants who are tested and licensed to drive to be irrational since that argument assumes that these illegal aliens are going to illegally drive unlicensed anyway. Can we really expect such people who have so little respect for the law to drive responsibly once legally licensed (or even carry liability insurance if an illegal alien can get such a thing)? Apparent;y that argument hinges on the assumption that illegal aliens only break the law because they have to and that if we give them a legal way to drive, they'll take it with a new-found respect for the law that has been sorely lacking up until now. I submit that the only reason they will bother to get one of these licenses is for the legitimacy that a government issued I.D. provides. And does anyone think that when these illegal alien drivers get traffic tickets, that they will bother to go to court or pay the fine, let alone stop driving when their licenses are suspended or revoked? If I thought so, then I would be irrational indeed!

SW2008......You must live in an alternate reality. Sales tax is the only thing that the illegals are held accountable for. Illegals work the system w/ regards to income taxes--they claim a massive amount of dependents so little(if any at all) tax is deducted from their paychecks. They are a serious drain on state resources. One good thing about this recession is that people will become much less tolerant of those who are circumventing or taking advantage of the system. Our resources are becoming more and more limited--we simply can longer afford to support a group of people that keeps taking while giving nothing in return.......

usaret: Wouldn't it be nice if they were able to obtain legal status? Unfortunately, it isn't as easy as signing your name at Ellis Island. I won't go into the details of becoming a LPR...just remember it is not as easy as everyone thinks.

sw2008: Granted, they may pay but if they want the benefits, then become legal. If they can't do that, sorry. It is nice to be compassionate but lets not go overboard. Do you really believe you would be treated the same in another country if you were there illegally? What part of jail or deportation is unknown to you?

realitybites: Please show me how they do not pay their fair share of taxes?

Sales tax: No way of getting out of paying this.
Property Tax: again no way of getting out of paying this.
Income tax: They pay into this and cannot claim it...so actually giving our state MORE money than LPRs and Citizens. You can argue that some are paid cash. In reality, yes some are paid cash, most get pay checks with taxes taken out. I have worked with immigrants across the state, so I know this information first hand.

Before responding I did contact State Sen.,Rep.I have been laid-off too long and can get NO help due to (one provision)no minor children in our home.IF I (we) were ILLEGALS I (WE) would be literally showered with benefits.UNTIL these Politicos take care of LAWFUL American Citizens they should not be discussing Illegals.Don't hand me "dont take it out on the children" crap.There Parent(s) are here illegal,that makes them illegal.NO,NO,NO for any help towards ILLEGALS. Instead of new laws,enforce the existing ones.

Hear that big sucking sound! It's the sound WI welfare money being given to illegal immigrants! Welfare, Medicaid, and extra teachers to teach their kids english. WI should use the stimulas money to round them all up and deport them, hell they could even put a bounty on them.

Wonder if I would get the same treatment in another country if I were an illegal?
They made their choice to come here illegally. Why should we have to pick up the price tag so that their children can get a discount above and beyond what a resident would receive. Giving the illegals a drivers lic. does not insure that they will drive any safer then before. No guarentee that they will have insurance.
Many illegals are hard-working people but I'm sorry, please become a legal resident if you want to enjoy the benefits of our state, our country. You made the choice now you need to make another one.

The only way that this is even remotely a good idea; is when these illegals show up for their drivers licenses, they are arrested and deported.

Just a few points.
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SW2008-This article is about illegal immigrants, not the pc term "undocumented immigrants"
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bella-Some well thought out points.Though i believe the hiring of illegals to be a symptom of illegal immigration, not the cause.
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janesvillean-Another eloquent post as always.But unless you know more about this than what the article states, where does this "training" come from?.

are we going to vote these fools in again? 'Rep.benedict@legis.wisconsi
'Sen.robson@legis.wisconsin.gov'n.gov',

If you take the time to write on this blog...make sure you contact your state rep and state senator as well. They need to hear from you!

SW2008: Paying in-state tuition is a benefit. It is a benefit for legal residents who have been paying their fair share of state taxes. Those taxes go to cover much of the cost of the university system. That is why out of state residents have to pay full price. Could you please show me some proof that illegal aliens are paying their fair share of taxes. Also, how do you make a rational argument that somebody who is breaking the law should get a benefit over and above somebody who is not breaking the law.

SW2008 - I applaud you for posting your view points; and I hope you do not get attacked for doing so. In theory, I agree with you. Yes, it would be nice if illegal drivers had insurance. Yes, children of illegals suffer because of their parents' decision to enter the country illegally. Yes, it would be great if they could afford a college tuition and a chance at a better life than what their parents had. However, I think there is something wrong with a system that has to put such measures into place. If these children went to school here, and the school knew they were illegal, shouldn't something have been done BEFORE these kids reach college age? It seems that the system allows illegal immigration to such a degree that society will have to keep extending more and more rights to this group that they are truly not entitled to. Personally, I think the problem begins with employers. As long as US employers are willing to hire illegal immigrants, then illegal immigration will continue to flourish. Instead of always playing catch-up with illegal immigrants, our system needs to be overhauled so that those wishing to come here for a better life are given options to do so legally. And employers who violate immigration law need to be punished severely and not just slapped with minor fines.

but it is not me or you SW2008 it is the ones that are here illegaly what is you do not understand????

I am going to write this comment hoping that I am not attacked for my point of view. I agree with this proposal for the state budget. Undocumented immigrants need to have driver's licenses in our state. Think of all the benefits for us as drivers sharing the road with the undocumented population: they can get car insurance, will have to take a test to drive here, and police will know who they are pulling over.

As for in-state tuition, children do not have a choice of coming to the United States with or without proper documentation. So why should we keep punishing these children for something their parents did? I understand most people think that now that they are 18, they can just go back to their "home" country. Well what if it was you. Say you were raised in the US since age 5, and now at age 18, you find out you cannot go to college because you do not have proper documentation and have to pay out-of-state tuition even though you have resided in WI for over 2/3 of your life. These children cannot go back to their “home” country because it is not their home. Most undocumented children have resided in the US for over half their lives and now we want to tell them they have no future here and send them to a country that they do not know. Imagine being sent to Mexico tomorrow and saying this is now your home. I speak Spanish and I would be horrified.

Way to go WI! Glad to see we are joining other states in providing children an opportunity to go to college. (FYI these children will still not be able to receive scholarships or grants)

You seem to be overlooking one point janesvillean; They shouldn't be driving at all. They are here in the United States of America illegally and should be deported.

Given a choice between illegal aliens driving with or without licenses or training, a rational person would choose with a license and training. But then this issue brings out a lot of irrational viewpoints.

Man/Woman up & tell me what the threat was!

Was it me suggesting a recall on all of these idiots?

Who deleted my comments? Was it me calling these idiots,idiots?

illegal is becoming politically correct.

This is nothing more than political pandering to illegal immigrants to obtain votes. The same folks that support this are the same ones who fight voter ID...why?, because they want as many illegals, felons, etc. to be able to vote for them as possible.

http://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/16/us/jus...

but it seems to run counter to other American law.

'Rep.benedict@legis.wisconsi'Sen.robson@legis.wisconsin.gov'n.gov',

lets all sent these comments off to our legislators, i bet they do not reply to any of us.

SkyBlue62: my teacher friends tell me there is a federal law that REQUIRES schools to teach kids that they KNOW are illegals. That seems to contradict the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) law that you provided. Do you know about such a teaching law?

This is clear enough... Aiding, abetting, harboring, encouraging illegals a felony

Illegal Alien = Felony under U.S.A. law under Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Was the state going to arrest illegals when they came up to get their illegal drivers cards?

So when are people going to do more than firing off an email or phoning their legislators?
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Talk is cheap.
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Action takes extraordinary effort.

I have no problem with people who come here, legally.
But to start giving these criminals bonuses for breaking our laws????
Give me a break!

bella... I want to thank you for following the rules. I have NO problem with someone following the immigration laws as you state you have done to become a better person and to then to be a contributor to society. My head spins to think we would waist 1 cent of taxpayer money for Wisconsin lawmakers to debate this non-topic. NO!!!

When I can't get funding to send my daughter to college, WHY in the world would we give ILLEGAL people a break on tuition?? If anything charge them MORE!

Thank you bella. You followed the same (legal) path that hundreds of thousands of our ancestors have followed.

There is a system in place to become an American. Those that follow the system get to reap the rewards. Those that choose to do things illegally should be punished, not rewarded.

NO NO NO tell them to go back from where they came from and come back the legal way, or just do not come back.

They talk of illegals who graduate from high school being eligible......Why are illegal immigrants even being allowed to burden any of our public school systems? I cannot believe that our tax dollars are funding these people who are overtly breaking laws--It's pathetic........

Legal residents have a hard enough time paying for college. Why in the world would it make sense to give tuition breaks to illegal immigrants?!

Oh...one more thing. When discussing immigration and the rights of immigrants, please keep in mind that there are a lot of us immigrants that are LEGAL, but not CITIZENS. Legal residents have rights such as in-state college tuition (depending on your residency status) but we can't vote. A legal resident is typically a green card holder, someone on a work visa, or other temporary visas (not tourist/visitor). We pay taxes like any other American, we just hold citizenship in another country. We respect the laws of the United States and appreciate the opportunity to live and work here legally.

Someone stated this before."What part of Illegal is hard to understand....??????"

I am a legal immigrant to this country. I came here to go to university, and I paid out-of-state tuition for my entire undergraduate degree because I am not a U.S. citizen. I was my CHOICE to come here; I agree that I should have paid more than a citizen. Why is it that ILLEGAL immigrants feel they should have the same rights as citizens or legal residents? I am sympathetic to people's reasons for wanting to come to the United States and make a better life for themselves, but there are LEGAL ways of doing so. No, it's not easy. The process takes years, it's expensive, and it can be very frustrating at times. But those of us that hope to immigrate to the United States need to understand that we are not ENTITLED to anything other than due process. I've followed every legal step of the process, paid my legal fees, paid my taxes, and I don't expect any handouts. My advice to the illegal immigrant groups would be to stop giving every immigrant a bad name by asking for things you are not entitled do, and start looking into how you can become a legal immigrant instead. Illegal immigration hurts everyone.

Why? Why? when people are here legally why should someone here illegally get these services? Why are these special interest groups always looking out for people besides true Americans?

How is it that this can even be considered a topic of discussion, much less a bill? The rights and privlideges being debated here are reserved for CITIZENS. Even RESIDENTS from other STATES would not be elegible for these benefits - why would they be available for individuals that are ILLEGALLY here to begin with?

I have sent these comments on to our representatives I bet they just delete!!!

I hope the politicians are listening. ANY politician (of either party) that endorses giving my taxpayer money to ILLEGALs will NOT get my vote in the next election.

If you want to keep your jobs you better start voting the way the MAJORITY of the people whom you represent want you to.

It really is quite simple. Stop rewarding thoese people who are here ILLEGALLY.

The key word is ILLEGAL! No benefits for those who can't follow our laws! This is absolutely insane.

andwer jackson- how can yopu vote if youre illegally here???? isnt there a box to check onthe ballot if you are a us citizan? or do they just want to know if or if not?


sorry this seems STUPID to me. free ins, free welfare discounted schooling and youre here ILLEGALLY?!! crazy

Wes...10 posts, 10 against. Looked like 100% against. What bickering were you refering to?

All I can say is ?-!? The politicians must be planning on allowing them to vote once they get their driving licenses. An group of foreigners that have entered this country illegally and converge on the capital should be considered invaders and be dealt with accordingly.

Why do we continue to reward those who are here illegally? So when your doing something that is illegal we praise you? I agree Jo. NO NO NO NO. Sham on the Assembly if they allow this to even get one minute of their time. What part of the word ILLEGAL is not clear.

Cut tuition rates for in state residents.. Illegal immigrants..What part is not understood..ILLEGAL

They're going to end up disabling readers comments to this story.
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People are going to flood with comments. But I really can't see the point. It isn't like those illegal immigrant advocate groups have any chance of getting what they're asking for.
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Before you all get started bickering back and forth, lets try a fresh idea. Try posting just once or twice on this topic/story, instead of making it your very own attack blog. Quit posting fifty times on every story just to contradict everything other people say.
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Illegal immigration is a stale news topic. If you want something done about it, turn the computer off and assemble a rally of our own in support of LEGAL citizens in front of the Capitol.

Are we in a parallel universe or what here? Talk about brass....what about illegal do they not understand? They are preying on our system that is too lazy to round these people up and send them back. It is NOT too big a job to do this, they could hire thousands of immigration officers and get 90% of these people back to where they belong. If strict regulations were put on employing these sorts, the other 10% would soon follow.
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I personally don't care if my taxes doubled for a few years to accomplish what I described above. In the end taxes would go down because we wouldn't have to fund nonsense like this. I'm tired of the politicians ignoring the populace on this. Maybe we should take to the streets and "demonstrate"...

just another nail for Doyle, what the h-- is his and the libs problem we the people say no and they ignore us???

What are our elected officials thinking???? They are thinking that there are votes to be harvested from these 2 initiatives. Remember, this is Wisconsin, the state where all you have to do to vote is show up at the polls with a utility bill and they hand you a ballot, no questions asked!

Believe it or not, the politicians are groveling for the votes of people here legally.

I agree no no no

rallies of illegal aliens ar a great place to round them up. I.C.E. should be there checking status and arresting them.students in school that are illegaly here should be rounded up and shipped back to where they came from.Why do people want to enforce only certain laws?

Who are the advocates???? The majority say NO NO NO NO NO FORGET IT.

What are our elected officials THINKING.....are they drinking the same water the Illinois politicians are drinking??

NO-NO-NO-NO-NO, NO OTHER WAY TO SAY IT.
NO!