Milwaukee... ahhh, yes... lived there near N. 35th and the longest bridge in the world...

No thanks, sounds like the deceased got the "change" he voted for and they were just disputing over the cost...

The only thing that makes man civilized is the ability for the weakest to kill the strongest.
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Nature is pure war, with every man against another. Fear of death is the only way to keep peace; so man is civilized by the restraint of violence against him for trangressions upon his neighbor.

Another person making "more likely" comments, will they never learn.

Yeah, we see how from a report from your own state http://www.wpri.org/Reports/Volume19/Vol... how those licensed for concealed carry are a .2% (less than 1%) chance to have their license revoked for any reason.

Of course we see how the 700,000 plus physicians in the US contribute to near 100,000 deaths a year http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles.... The Health Grades study applied the mortality and economic impact models developed by Dr. Chunliu Zhan and Dr. Marlene R. Miller in a research study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) in October of 2003. The Zhan and Miller study supported the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) 1999 report conclusion, which found that medical errors caused up to 98,000 deaths annually and should be considered a national epidemic.

Yeah, all these bad decisions and malpractice, ending up being 4,000 times more likely to harm you than a person with a concealed carry license (over 8 million of these) or 1,500 times more likely than a legal firearm owner (over 100 million of these).

Read the USDOJ Background Check & Firearm Transfer report 2008 and tell everyone how effective a law is that doesn’t prevent anything, and is enforced less than 1% of the time?

We can have a little discussion about a forbidden subject on suicide, those that survive. Over 90% of suicides using a firearm are successful, 70% of suffocation/hanging are successful, 34% of jumps from high places successful and 2% of over doses are successful.

CDC data for 2006, that is 16,883 suicides by firearms, 16,441 by other means of which 50% are suffocation 20% jumps, and 15% overdoses.

This leaves approx 1,688 survivors of firearms to approx 7,450 survivors of the other methods. How many of those survivors in either category are brain damaged as a result, requiring to be cared for by their family for the rest of their life? Is it better to have a family member die once, or a little each day? Yeah, no one talks about this little fact, maybe those who trot out "more likely B.S." should.

Of course we have numerous scientifically proven studies that show an inanimate object by itself causes violence. The psychiatric terms for such beliefs begin with Projection Identification, a condition where one who promotes their own scary fantasies, usually their lack of control, onto others. If this condition involves someone not playing with all the cards in their deck, this can be qualified as a fetish (belief in super powers, inanimate object), culminated by a condition known as schizophrenia (I hear voices, I obey those voices).

So how is more likely or any gun control going to change how those mentally ill feel,think, or act? Lets not forget the repercussions of their choices if a firearm is not available either, or should we?

Janesvillemom, suicidal people use a gun in about half the cases of suicide. That statistic shouldn't be confused with gun ownership for self-protection. About half the people who commit suicide *don't* use firearms. No sane person would argue for removing legal drug prescriptions from all patients because some people choose to use them to commit suicide. Nor will a movement to ban the sale of rope, bedsheets or razor blades gain any ground. If you do choose to use a firearm, you don't need a concealed carry permit to buy a gun, take it home and kill yourself with it. The process is easier than getting a prescription for something potentially lethal from a doctor. It would be interesting to see if the gun suicide statistics would change if you could go to the local drugstore and buy a suicide tablet from the pharmacist.

Statistically, very few law-abiding Americans will ever have to shoot someone in self-defense. Until recent years, it was rare enough for most police officers to have to shoot at someone. Having a firearm on your person enables your to reduce the chance of yourself or loved one or innocent bystander become another statistic - a victim of violence because you could not stop an armed attacker by threatening to call 911, or having enough strength to overcome the attacker, or the attacker being able to shoot or knife you because you were unarmed. Statistically, in states which recently passed concealed carry laws, violent crime rates decreased and property crime rates increased as more thieves and addicts chose to switch from robbery to burglary.

Some may have no qualms about running from their homes and abandoning their families to the "luck" of gangbangers shooting it out with each other outside their homes. Others of us, however, would rather have another option. Ideally, I'd rather not have to ask permission of the nanny state either, but I would settle for a permit system to be able to do so, rather than a state which prohibits it altogether, such as Wisconsin and Illinois. Vermont never bothered to make concealed carry illegal. Most states originally passed the laws soon after the end of the American Civil War, to disarm Negros who were arming themselves against attacks by the Klan or Klan-wannabes trying to control or terrorize them. After a number of racist crackers got a dose of their own medicine from black citizens, state legislatures passed laws restricting or prohibiting concealed carry - confident that local police chiefs and sheriffs would only apply the law against black people (oops).

I don't have a fantasy that I or any other law-abiding citizen is going to step into a drug gang's gun battle and disarm all the outlaws by shooting the guns out of their hands - Lone Ranger style. I do think that if gangs started coming under fire from law-abiding citizens whenever they decided to wage public gun battles, the survivors might become a little more circumspect about choosing their locations to start shooting.

I've read no reports of floods of refugees from Minnesota into other states since they passed their concealed carry permit law (nor of migrations from the other many states who have also enacted laws allowing their law-abiding residents to carry concealed firearms for self-defense). I heard that bars and restaurants in downtown Minneapolis which posted "No Guns Allowed" signs became the preferred targets of robbers for a while and many of the businesses took down the signs.

Sounds kind of like a drive-by shooting gone wrong, where as whoever fired first got fired right back on in return.

Pity they can't teach gangbangers how to better handle a weapon, how to better aim at each other so that innocent bystanders wouldn't fall victim to their stray bullets.

When it comes right down to it, after all, how much empathy do the rest of us feel toward gang members with more gun than they can handle? Let them shoot each other.

Having worked in Milwaukee for 2 yrs, (at all hours of the day/Night),, 42nd and Hampton is (by far) not the worse side to be in.. I could name numerous areas to be in.. 16th and Lincoln, Greenfield and 6th, North and MLK, 17th and Walnut, Just to name a few,, It depends on what Ethnic group or Gang you want to deal with, Hispanic, Blacks, Asians, Italians, Pol's,, Who ever... People on the North side are being singled out due to the Media,, I have Been SHOT AT, working in MILWAUKEE, (in broad daylight) both MPD and MFD were to call us in to pick up the aftermath, We were about 4 block away when a errant Pistol slug went into our AMBULANCE fender (on the drivers side, which I was driving at the time).. Some times it is almost impossible to to get out of the way and Hide.. that was just north of 16th and Lincoln.. so don't think if it says Northside of Milwaukee it is all bad,, there are some fine "Neighbors" in that area, it is just unfortunate that they have IDIOTS that like to play with guns go into those neighborhood.....

There are considerably more suicides than homicides with guns in the US. So you are more likely to kill yourself than someone else if you own a gun.

North side of Milwaukee is the worst. I wouldn't walk around there during day light!!

Shopierehuh, I agree; when it comes to concealed carry, don't ask don't tell. As my Dad always said- Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Odds are you are not going to be "out walking your dog" at 9pm at North 42nd Street and West Hampton Avenue. That sounds like no-mans-land, the North side of Milwaukee.

Yes, if a "shooting war like this erupts on your block and you can't do anything but try to run or hide", a wise man will do just that. That aint your war, get out of the way. They are side shooting out of their vehicles, banger-style, most usually hitting everything and everyone except those they are "shooting at". This time it looks like they might have hit their targets.

As far as concealed carry goes, many of us are not seeking the permission of the state or any government to have the means of self defense on our person, or to defend ourselves. To each his own.

"Boy, gun people sure are stupid." Gosh, what a startling turn of events, a lefty liberal calling others childish names, whoda thunk it?

Law abiding citizens are not the ones doing these shootings.Would be a comfort to know I can defend myself if this happened while minding my business ,were caught in the midst (can happen anywhere,anytime) of a shooting(s)
Can't very well defend yourself in a gunfight unarmed.

"Boy, gun people sure are stupid."

In case you haven't noticed janesvillean...stupidity isn't limited to "gun people".

And, feel free to read into that anything you like.

janesvillean: I have guns and have never aimed them at anyone .... that makes you the stupid one for your comment, who said to shoot at anyone? I don't read that,Wake up.

adding another gun to the mix may not be the solution, but the thought that someone may be carrying would deter a lot of people. no matter what you do though human nature will take over and we are a destructive civilization.

dub most likely with a costly price........more innocent people in the mid of gun toting criminals and gun toting citizens "for rights to bear arms"

Wow. So there's a pitched gun battle between two gangs, and your idea of safety is to start shooting at ... both of them?
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Boy, gun people sure are stupid.

Moe is obviously out of touch with reality. It's nice to hear from people who think everybody is a criminal, or too stupid to have a gun without becoming a murderer.
People have been killing each other since way before they had guns.
The rate of crimes with victims would drop instantly if everybody carried guns.

moe: Yes I see the ignorance, let the bad guys have the guns and we'll just go and hide when they try to get into our houses.Sentence ok mom?

yes, because the answer to that would be adding another gun to the mix. I swear Janesville is full of ignorance.

Wow. That is one long sentence!!

Imagine that you are out walking your dog when a shooting war like this erupts on your block and you can't do anything but try to run or hide, and pray your neighbors and family can run or hide also, because you are a law-abiding citizen and your handgun is locked up in your home since Wisconsin doesn't allow all law-abiding citizens to obtain concealed carry permits, like 35 other states in the Union do, or some law-abiding citizens to obtain concealed carry permits, like 13 of the other states in the Union do.