This issue has already been voted on and it was a no to same sex marriage why are we revisiting it??? I guess if they push it long enough people will just get tired of hearing it and let it pass! Marriage is between a man and a woman, anything else is an abomination so says God. Even if you make it leagal you will still have to answer to a sovereign God.

I have never come across an application asking me if I was gay nor asking if I was strait evidently potential employers dont care as long as you can do the job,I try to keep my religion to those that choose to listen and I dont flaunt my sexuality by making it a political issue or issues out of it I make an effort to keep that which is no one elses business to my self.If gays want to get married have at it the marrige certificate is only a legal issue you see I got married because I love my wife not for legal issues ,medical benifits or financial gain.
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Or are you sticking with "its just wrong." Seems like you would need to back up that statement if you want other people to live their lives according to your opinion of "wrong."

Why is it perverted? Where do you get that info from common sense. You are taking a very interesting approach to this discussion. I have not heard the common sense arguement that homosexuals are perverted.
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I am going out on a limb here and guess that you believe in the Judeo-Christian god and that what you consider to be common sense has been taught to you since you were a toddler. I will be very interested to see how you can support your perverted statement.
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The list would seem to indicate that the practice is completely common in nature, not perverted whatsoever. So lets hear it Biscuit - support your statement of perversion.

christianity is not the basis of my arguement just common sense,evidently someone on the gazette staff is gay they wont allow my opinion

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Come on the curiosity is killing me! try again B5 but phrase it in a christian way.

B5-The same can be said about you. Your thinking is "perverted" and you couldn't be more "wrong". Oh, and you still haven't answered my question. Is the only time you ever have sex in order to procreate?

homosexuals and lesbians have made a choice to become part of a perverted society that should not have any rights especially rights of marriage they are perverted and wrong I vote no and always will.
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B5 - I missed that one, can you try again?

How did you come to judge that it is wrong? On what basis is it wrong?

ok thanks for the neat list of animals,its not what God or nature had in mind its just wrong and I will still vote no,I dont march around with a sign that says im a heterosexual and dont make it a point for everyone to know my business, would I discriminate? yes cause i dont care about what you choose to be just who you are

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Wait a tick....if god used intelligent design to create life, and there is homosexuality in nature, then can he really hate homosexuality? Or does the devil introduce all of these animals to sin?

First of all we are not addressing animals in regards to marriage and comparing a human person to an animal is wrong.
anotheropinion is totally right, finding someone who you want to commit to for the rest of your life is hard enough. What does it matter if she is with a she or he with a he.
Don't tell me God didn't want it that way. God looks at us each individually, no matter what and cares for each one of us.
Don't quote me from the bible because the book can be taken many ways.
Many don't like what others do and that is LIFE.

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Also Biscuit there are many examples of homosexual behavior in other mammals. God mentioned he was going to burn allthose animals alive in hell for all etenity once they die though so they should really stop.

Biscuit5-First of all I don't put humans in the same category as animals/mammals so that was a pretty bad analogy. Secondly, are you telling me that the only time you have sex is to procreate??? I highly doubt that.

It is so simple,the rules were not written with homosexuality or lesbianism in mind. are there any other animals or mammals other than nightcrawlers that are gay or lesbian? and as far as I knew sex was for procreation not recreation
I would vote "no"
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Copperguy;

I'll accept the last part of your reply "There is no language in the US Constitution similar to that in the Wisconsin Constitution..." and concede, especially since the primary topic is of no consequence to me because I haven't lived in WI for 20-some years. However, the voters for US amendments (yes the legislators are the voters) still must vote for or against the amendment(s) in their entirety. I originally missed the fact that it was state supreme court.

oops. This one should work:

http://sc-media.wicourts.gov/sc-media/08...

I have the same question as booch11. It's so tangential to most topics that it looks like trolling to me (poisoning discussion).
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In any case, this question before the court regards the STATE Constitution -- which can be amended by voters via referendum. The First Amendment, establishment clause, or any other, would only apply if there were a compelling federal interest in the matter. At this level of litigation, the state Supreme Court may or may not turn to US constitutional law to reach a decision, but in any case are bound to interpret and rule on the basis of the one before them, our state constitution.

Here's a link to the audio of today's Supreme Court arguments, if anyone's interested.

mms://sc-media.wicourts.gov/sc-media/08AP1868.wma

jaf2: You stated, "because voters could not choose between the establishment clause and free expression clause?" Again, voters did not choose either. Voters chose their legislators, and those LEGISLATORS (for emphasis, not yelling) voted for the amendments. There is no language in the US Constitution similar to that in the Wisconsin Constitution that is the basis of McConkey's appeal.

NVgrf,
what exactly is it you are adding to this or any other discussion? is that all you can type?

Don't believe I mentioned anything about a ballot box. It is still voted on by members of each states' legislature, which is representative of the people who did put them there at...um...the ballot box. A vote is a vote, whether by each elector individually or by a representative of the same.

jaf2: Try another approach. The US Constitution is not amended at the ballot box. Maybe try reading it some time.

anotheropinion: Excellent point. Seems to me you have a solid grasp of what true conservatism really means.

does this argument invalidate the first amendment, because voters could not choose between the establishment clause and free expression clause? or for that matter of the entire religion question from the general free speech, free press, or right to assemble? Be careful which can of worms you choose to open based on lame---REALLY lame---"reasoning".

anotheropinion: It doesn't when you can think logically. But, when you bring your particular brand of religon into the mix, it becomes very complicated.

Why is everyone so polarized about this issue? As a true conservative, government has no business telling people who they can and cannot marry. Two consenting adults...OK by me. Let's move on...love is where you find it. Oh for the record, I am a man who is married to a wonderful women and I have two great kids. As married folks know, it takes a lot of work to make a marriage thrive. So if you have found someone who you want to marry, more power to you! What difference does it make if you are both XX or XY?

It's all Obama's fault!