Did they take into account that almost 700 Gm'ers moved out of state?

ponder, that's not how the stimulus money was handed out. Counties put in applications for money. If Rock County needed construction done (road, buildings, etc), then they needed to submit an application for the money. The main stipulation was that it needed to be "shovel-ready". Doyle and Falk had nothing to do with it.

Isn't it great that the area least affected by the recession (Madison/Dane County) got 8 times more stimulus money than Rock County? Doyle and Falk at work. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33498869/ns/...

Per a neighbor,friend,2 more factorys laying off in stateline area.Curious if these lay-offs will be "newsworthy"?

It would be nice if this was the bottom.

hmmmm 08 not 07 is when O took over and we were in a world of hurt way before that Zoom. And the drop is because why? is it because people ran out of UE? because I know it isn't because of a BOOM in available jobs. Companies are still laying off and noone is going back as far as I have seen or heard, just more being laid off.

Unemployment #s come from the number of people receiving Unemployment benefits. Everything else is pretty much spin control; the actual numbers of unemployment are clser to 20%, sadly. Then, there are the underemployed who are making less than $12 an hour, or who are part time @ 20-30 hrs a week, scraping to get by. This is trickle down Reaganomics, 30 years later, but Wall Street is rallying?!

Surveying employers about jobs "created"? According to the State's spin masters a job that was "saved" from elimination, is actually considered a job "created". Does your accounting get anymore fictional than that? Grin and bear it, get back to basics in helping out your elderly neighbors with their chores, build your social capital in the neighborhoods we live in by helping each other.

Wisconsin logs another record employment loss
By Joel Dresang of the Journal Sentinel
Nov. 19, 2009 11:08 a.m.

Wisconsin employers cut 129,600 jobs since October 2008, the steepest year-to-year plunge in 70 years of data.

The state Department of Workforce Development is scheduled report on job losses and unemployment midday Thursday. But preliminary estimates from a state database and historical figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics suggest Wisconsin’s employment picture continues to get bleaker.

The 4.5% decline in payroll jobs in the last 12 months is the state's biggest since 1958.

Unadjusted for seasonal fluctuations, Wisconsin had fewer jobs last month than for any October since 1998.

We’ll have more on the state report when it’s released.

vatoloco: you really think it's the government that supports them? no it's us the tax payers and one day it could be you or I out of a job. I've been at my job for 17 years and I don't want to get dumped like a used rag if I lose my job. Use your head and think about what you say ... "government supporting them" It's us that support our jobless people and i'm sure if there was a job out there they'd take it.

For anyone still listening to Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve private banking cartel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ79Pt2GN...

Speaking of Ben Bernake,He agreed with numerous economic experts(per Yahoo National News 11-18-09)that sustainable unemployment numbers of 5-6% will not appear until 2017,Job growth will be "slow at best" ,hiring in 2012 (per Bernake) Maybe!
Either way There are no jobs in stateline area.For anyone who believes unemployed "enjoy" this situtation are in fantasy land,or in a secure job,with no lay off on horizon.There are always a few who will abuse system,yet i believe 95% of unemployed (such as Spouse,I ) want a JOB!

Unemployment dropping and real job creation are two different things. Granted, I recently took a job after being laid off for over a year. However, I make less money than I did on unemployment and less than half as much as I used to make prior to getting laid off. The unemployment rate really doesn't paint the whole picture. I know people working two part time jobs to make the equivalent of one full time job. We're a loooong way from full recovery. Even once we're officially out of the recession, pay scales and economic growth will be far lower than previous generations. There is just too much global competition now. Not everyone can work in health care to earn a decent living.

If you want to start arguing subjectives like "competence" we had better start with what administration was in charge in December 2007 when the recession started.

Amazing...Still blaming Bush.....Amazing

janesvillean, didn't you know, the recession is the Democrats fault, because they took control of Congress starting January of 2007? It's all because of those mistery programs they enacted (and Bush didn't veto, aparently) that brought everything crashing down within months of them getting the majority ;)

"Heres the thing, if we continue to extend unemployment benefits, some people will cease to look for work and rely on the government to support them. That is a problem."

Ok, how do you think people who have lost their jobs should support themselves or their families since there are not enough jobs out there for all the ones lost? My family is one of the "lucky" ones if you will, we still have one person employeed full time while the other is currently collecting unemployement, while actively searching for a job. But once the unemployement runs out(next couple of weeks) we will now be one of the families living below the poverity level.

Additionally, Moody's Economy reported that using its Adversity Index, Janesville entered recovery in September, one of 100 metro areas (out of 384) that have so far.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33934229/ns/...
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As you can see, even entering recovery is not a guarantee of a quick return of jobs. It's just saying the bleeding is coming to a stop.
http://www.economy.com/home/products/sna...

vatoloco, there is an actual definition of a recession.
http://www.nber.org/cycles/recessions.ht...
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80% of economists surveyed last month believed the recession (the period of shrinking output) is over.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/i...
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The Chairman of the Fed, who by the way is an expert in the Great Depression, believes the recession is over.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bernank...
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The third quarter GDP showed annualized growth better than the preceding seven quarters.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-3q-g...
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If you want to start arguing subjectives like "competence" we had better start with what administration was in charge in December 2007 when the recession started.

"The fact is that the recession is over and employment will begin to increase again."

Fact-A fact is a pragmatic truth, a statement that can, at least in theory, be checked and confirmed. Hey, just like the fact that many jobs have supposedly been created by this inept administration. Inept-Not able to do something; not proficient; displaying incompetencejobs

Heres the thing, if we continue to extend unemployment benefits, some people will cease to look for work and rely on the government to support them. That is a problem.

If,If when President Obama signed legislation to fund states with up to 20 more weeks (if states Unemployment rate was 8.5%,or higher)and Wi was at the 8.5%, or more,recieved X amount of federal money,then report lower unemployment rate,would state still keep "extra" money,or have to return?
A friend in Richland County spoke with a claim specialist to file for extended benefits.He was told STATE of Wi. determines how many weeks of extended U.C. you recieve.Not automatically 13 weeks !

It really should be sufficient to explain that unemployment claims is a hard number reported weekly and is not used to calculate the unemployment rate (it isn't even formally equivalent to one of the six alternative rates U1 through U6; the one commonly reported is U3).
http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cpsata...

For Wisconsin:
"The Local Area Unemployment Statistics (LAUS) program develops monthly estimates of the labor force, employment, unemployment, and unemployment rates for the State of Wisconsin, all counties, Workforce Development Areas, Small Labor Market Areas, Metropolitan Divisions, Combined Statistical Areas, Metropolitan Statistical Areas, and cities with a population of at least 25,000 people.

In Wisconsin, data are produced using models, which combine current and historical data from the Current Population Survey (CPS), the Current Employment Statistics (CES) program, the state Unemployment Insurance (UI) system, the Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages (QCEW) program, and the Decennial Census.

Some primary data users of LAUS data are federal, state, and local governments, private industries, and individuals. Current LAUS estimates are used as a basis for allocating Federal funds, as an indication of need for employment and training programs, for assessing local labor market conditions, and as a tool for planning and budgetary purposes."
http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/det/workforcetr...


bobb1951, read that last paragraph again. If the state UNDERESTIMATED unemployment, it would receive LESS Federal help.

Zoom is correct. The reported unemployment rate is derived from several sources including surveys of employers and households.
http://www.dwd.state.wi.us/dwd/newsrelea...
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It is true that like the US overall rate it does not include discouraged workers and others considered to have left the labor force. It is calculated in a standard way; Wisconsin does not have its own formula so far as I know.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/faq.htm#Ques3
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The fact is that the recession is over and employment will begin to increase again. The bad news is that jobs will come back much more slowly than they went away, so an unemployment decrease in tenths of a percentage point per month is probably typical of what we will see. Many economists expect a flat recovery profile years out.

Here is the description of how the Bureau of Labor Statistics measures unemployment. It's more involved than just counting how many people are recieving UC. Go to the "Where do the statistics come from?" section. The State uses their data, as well as their own.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#wher...

Here we go again. UC is not the ONLY data used to calculate unemployment.

Zoom,
If UC isn't the only data used to measure unemployment rates; what other information is used? Where does it come from?

I would be careful in assuming that the number of unemployed has dropped. All this tells us is that the number of unemployment claims is down. Which could be misleading as people are running out of benefits.

UC is not the ONLY data used to calculate unemployment.

Is this a true number,or not counting those who benefits have exhausted,those no longer eligible?The way Wi. "skews" numbers for states benefit is insane.