Hey where is the Kid look at what the Gov said today about pot

Why are you even debating drugs vs. alcohol? The kid died of a drug overdose not alcohol poisoning.

I didnt say it was my last. I said thats all Im going to say. And thats all I said then. Then you come on and start with yoru pro pot crap. Fine make it legal, make fines higher for having it - I dont care. THIS drug story does have a kid base. Meaning the kid that died not you. Got that - a kid died because of drugs. I get these blogs are to rant and rave over things but A KID DIED from drugs pic another story to debate making a drug legal over.

lovebeingmarried: i thought you told me your post expressing your adoration for me was your last?? anyways...im sorry if it bothers you...but in my book just about every drug/alcohol story does have a kid base. i spread the truth about pot. dont like it?? take kyle geisslers advise and dont respond. actually im surprised that needs to be explained...but whatev. http://www.gazettextra.com/weblogs/behin...
as ive said many times before, until its taxed and regulated similar to alcohol i will continue to rant about the truth. thats what i do. good day. i said good day.

good story gfan...welcome to the team:)

And becarefull how we judge here?? Are you kidding? A mother did heroinhere! and dhot her son up. How are we supposed to judge this??

Well if she was doing it to begin with it pretty clear that she was not a good mother at all. Knowing a friend with a parent with a drug problem - its a totally different world.

Be careful how you judge here. Any addiction can cause pretty crazy behaviors... behaviors that you yourself may be shocked you engaged in while under its control. Also, we should be careful about how we interpret "the mother taught her child how to shoot up herione". I would venture to guess she didn't sit him down and say, "Honey? I'm going to show you how to do this in case you want to try some." Just my gut feeling...
Although this situation is certainly a difficult one to conceive, it's still important to try to understand the shoes of the person or people involved. A true tragedy, no doubt.

LOL Gazettefan! Thanks for a bit of humor to start my day!

How is you smoking pot related at all to a "mom" showing her son how to shoot up???? Get over your self Kid seriously. Not every drug story has a Kid base. Not every drug story has any thing to do whith what should be legal. A CHILD DIED HERE but lets debate if you should be able to go to the local BP and buy some Pot? No how about who should pay for this kid dying.

I would like to recount my mixed success into the world of reefer.

After seeing the film Reefer Madness, I decided that precautions were necessary for my first time smoking tea. My plan amounted to chaining myself and an itinerant hooker (the best kind) to my toilet. The chains were 10 feet long and time-locked for 48 hours.

I stocked the bathroom with ample supplies of Ding Dongs, Twinkies, Good and Plenty, Doritos, Nachos, Ho Hos, and Jelly Beans.

I had had a three by three foot slot (with a door) cut into the exterior wall. The slot was for the purpose of taking delivery of Jim's pizzas and Singapore Chow Mein Fun from the King Wok on Court Street. Needless to say my $100 line was promptly maxed-out on my JC Penney credit card.

Things were going very well for the first six hours, we (her name was February) were laughing, happy, and resolved to never touching alcohol again and possibly even talked of rudimentary plans for moving to New Mexico to live with the Indians -it was either that or buying a ranch house in Footville -I can't remember for sure.

However, at the seven hour point tragedy struck when the hooker (her name was February) succumbed to insulin shock after gorging on 27 Ho Hos, nonstop. (Please, no comments about the poetic justice of a hooker dying from eating Ho Hos.) You can imagine my grief. She was a good one.

The remaining 41 hours were brutal, though marked with occasional bouts of laughter and realizations that all-in-all, tea aint such a bad thing. And just because every once-and-a while something bad happens, that's no reason to blame it on reefer.

Currently I use medical marijuana to treat my injuries from a motorcycle crash.

The moral of the story is: Don't judge a book by its cover.

;~)

i dont call alcohol a gateway drug. i dont call any drug a gateway drug. i merely point out to those that say marijuana is a gateway drug...that that is not a logical reason to keep it illegal...or we should also criminalize the possession of alcohol. because make no mistake mr newbie. i PROMISE you alcohol leads to more regrettable drug use than being high on pot. its not even close. all drugs, legal and non, should be looked at as a ladder. the higher up you go the worse the drug on the user...when an individual decides to get off the ladder is up to the individual. NOT THE PREVIOUS DRUG.

you ask if the high from marijuana is better. for me yes. for gfan no. lots of individuals prefer alcohol and lots prefer pot. consuming either does not mean you will use harder drugs. period. you may not get a better high by switching from beer to bourbon. but you most def get a dift high. better is all on what the individual thinks. the same thing can be said with dift strains of marijuana. thats a better analogy than beer/bourbon and pot/heroin. as sesame street sings...one of these four is not like the other...one of these four does not belong. which is it?? maybe the only one of the 4 that its IMPOSSIBLE to overdose on??

mr newbie. ive NEVER said alcohol should be illegal. ive ALWAYS said that in a 'free' country the inherent risks of having legal alcohol, even tho those risks are death to innocent victims, outweigh the other side of not allowing an american citizen to decide. take away that right and you get well...history and all the negatives we had from alcohol prohibition. at worst billnewbie...lets say the two drugs are equal...even tho you acknowledge that the high from pot has 'little risk of adverse effects'...which in my book makes the other the 'eviler of two evils'...but lets say theyre equal. dont i billnewbie...and every other responsible tax paying american citizen have the right to smoke a joint if i want?? nevermind the fact that according to the 10th amendment of our constitution 'The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.' that right there tells you mr newbie that the feds have NOOOOOOOO right telling the states how to control pot. the feds have no right arresting state legal medical pot users...but until recently(thanx O:)that wasnt the case. marijuana has been legal in this country ALOT longer than it has been illegal its just that its been illegal long enough that people dont know any better an have no choice but to beleive all the bs harry anslinger and his cronies printed in the 1930's.

if we knew in 1937 what we know now, thanx to science, there is NOOOOOO way congress passes the marijuana tax stamp act. no way. i mean its ACKNOWLEDGED MEDICINE. yet i have to justify my recreational use?? silly.

You keep trying to equivocate marijuana with alcoholic beverages implying that since one is legal the other ought to be or neither should be. And that is a point well made. As I've said before, I use neither, therefore I have no personal interest to corrupt my reasoning on this matter, no personal preference to protect. The "high" one gets from legal alcohol is not equivalent to the "high" one gets from marijuana, though. You have to drink a lot of booze and it's effects are not immediate, Drink too much and you end up sick for a day or two. But it takes relatively little marijuana to attain a 'high" with little risk of adverse effects (other than arrest) and even the "high" you get from marijuana is much different than that from alcohol. Is'nt it a better "high" than what you get from booze? And isn't that the attraction of harder drugs? Ever better "highs" ever more quickly attained? No one ever says " you know, you can get a better high if you switch from beer to bourbon". It's the same high, you just don't have to drink as much. But if "crack" or "coke" or "heroin" "highs" weren't an "upgrade" from marijuana "highs" then there would be no market for those more expensive and dangerous drugs.

The fact is that there is no political support for making alcohol illegal. It's here to stay with all it's multiple and potentially sever detrimental effects for the drinkers, their families and the rest of us too when they choose to drive or end up a burden on society due to their unproductiveness because of their acute alcoholism. But that's no reason to legalize recreational drug use. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

As for the contention that alcohol is a gateway drug too, again we aren't going to see alcohol made illegal. So even if alcohol is a gateway drug, legalizing another gateway drug like marijuana would be dangerously foolish. But the marijuana users who equivocate marijuana with alcohol also condemn the contention that marijuana is a gateway drug so to claim that it's equivalent, alcohol, is a gateway seems desperate. You can't simultaneously claim that marijuana and alcohol are equivalent and then deny marijuana is a gateway while saying that alcohol is a gateway. That argument contradicts itself.

while i dont really agree with most of your post its well written:) if you have the time...and i know you do...could you explain to me what drug whets the appetite for pot?? or is that the drug that you think they start with?? also...because its legal, theres no word in here if the kid(not me:) drank with his mom. hypothetical mr newbie. IF the kid drank with his mom at 13 cant we just as reasonably blame that drug for what ultimately became of him?? and thereby justify its prohibition again??

Some claim that the war on drugs is a complete failure, that it costs too much or that it imprisons too many, that it's a conspiracy of our government and those easily demonized pharmaceutical companies for high profits and campaign contributions. But it is cases like young Mr. Strosina for which we fight that war. Yes, it has its ups ad downs. But to just give up the fight, throw up our hands in frustration and give in to the drug dealers and their eager customers who claim they harm no one but themselves invites a flood of future casualties like Raymond. Stop the war on drugs and yes, our prisons will empty significantly but our morgues will fill exponentially. I know, marijuana is different, some will say. Many, perhaps most marijuana users never progress to more powerful recreational drug use. But it always seems that the ones who use those powerful drugs like heroin also use marijuana. We can debate for all time why that is but it is irrational to dispute what is so obviously true. It is still my contention that marijuana use, while not the addictive and dangerous type of drug use that heroin is, is still a gateway to the use of those other more potent and dangerous drugs because it whets the appetite for drug induced intoxication. For many marijuana users, they find satisfaction in the high they get from marijuana. But for others such as the Strosina's, marijuana just isn't enough. It's well established that heroin users generally do not start using heroin first. Marijuana is like training wheels for drug users. We must maintain our war on drugs. We must not let the cost deter us. We must not let the whines of drug users affect us. The alternative is many more dead youngsters and many more drug users wasting their lives and wreaking their families with the terrible human and financial costs that will most certainly result.

Ok kid - you are - amazing! Thats all im gonna say.

Rot in H*** Patricia Strosina - rot in H***!!

i understand that lovebeingmarried. my point is that we NEVER hear about the legal drugs that these idiot parents may have shared with her son...which is most certainly just as relevant and detrimental to a teen using heroin as smoking a joint is.

i think imjustsayin has a valid point. parents do teach their kids how to drink, knowingly or not and unfortunately most learn actually how NOT to drink. yet thats ok in our society. this drug is ok to abuse...but not that one. is heroin/coke use worse for an individual?? absolutely. for society as a whole?? well since more peeps die every year from alcohol than...all...other...drugs...combined that point may be debatable...

id REALLY like to know cottonjoe...the cultural or social value you attribute to alcohol??

KID the thing that jumps out at people is the so called mother teaching her kid to use.

ImJustSayin, what's your point? That people die from drinking, too? I have news for you, heroin is illegal, alcohol is not. Granted, both are against the law for minors, but comparing beer and booze to heroin and cocaine is ludicrous. Illicit drugs are far more addictive than alcohol, and have no cultural or social value. Ten percent of drinkers become alcoholics, while up to 75 percent of regular illicit drug users become addicted. Sounds to me like you have something against drinking. Or are you somehow trying to justify drug usage? Either way, your seemingly self-righteous comparison carries little or no logical weight.

I say the mother get an injection of lethal dose and as for all witnesses, they should be held accountable also. How can you knowingly see this and not scream yell and go to jail to stop it. I would have I would of done anything I could to have stopped this. How can the witnesses even live with themselves?

I can't believe there were witnesses and this boy wasn't taken from his mother sooner. I hope they throw her in jail for the rest of her life. She needs to sit there sober & think about what she has done.

jvldss: have you EVER seen me condone minors use of ANY drug?? nope. to say myself and other pothead would say this is good parenting is about the...nope it IS the dumbest thing ive seen typed in quite some time. seroiusly...what an ignorant stereotype. while i certainly agree that the mother using drugs, any drugs, with her kid is deplorable, if you are going to write about previous drugs these two may have used then WRITE ABOUT THEM ALL. you dont think this mom managed to avoid tobacco or alcohol use with this kid do you?? both are relevant points to previous drug use as the marijuana use is. pot is illegal so its use is automatically termed 'abuse'. while its actually...ughhh...legal for a parent to give a kid alcohol in this state so no reason to write about it...

People teach their kids to drink.

jvldss, You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Lack of information, which is your problem, has killed more than any other reason.

Amsterdam has the lowest rate of hard core drugs. Is it because marijuana is tolerated there? Possibly.

Regardless, I agree with Carlitosway..

Nice role model. She needs to be given the needle and injected with the final dose in prison.

Reefer madness? Look through your self indulgent cloud of smoke, dude. This is a horrible story about a parent teaching their child to shoot smack resulting in another senseless OD. And yes, the mother shared a history of pot use with her son, too, which you and other pot heads would probably applaud as good parenting because you all know pot is "victimless" crime and never leads to other types of drug use. Tell that to the 16 year old kid. Let's just hope this idiot mother has no other children.

The parent is garbage and so is the worthless caseworker that was aware they were doing drugs together! This story erks me... Some people need a SLAP. . . . of reality.

storys like this are such reefer madness. does anyone REALLY think that him smoking a joint is relevant to him OD'ing on heroin?? its funny that the blind will read this and see MARIJUANA glowing at them and just assume the two are directly connected...which any rational seeing adult knows is hogwash. why not tell us how often they consumed the 'eviler of two evils', or tobacco?? both drugs that are closer to heroin in the addiction level and both drugs that get ignored just because theyre legal.

The case worker should be held responcible also

I am more shocked by "the caseworker" than the mother. Was this caseworker working with this family? If so, why wasn't the child taken out of the home as soon as this caseworker discovered the drug use? And if she wasn't their caseworker she certainly had a moral obligation and I would think a legal obligation to report this. What goes on here???

Miss Katie - by some of your comments yoru probably one of them.

Wow though! I cant even imagine what I would do if I caught my son with drugs! Let alone teach him how to do it?!

Just when are people reasonable for their own actions????

YOUR right the mother should be held responsible. I hope they lock her up and never let her out.

She was never a 'mother' . A mother protects her kids, teaches right from wrong. Gets them help when they need it, which clearly this young man did.

Just when are people reasonable for their own actions?

The caseworker told the investigator the boy had been doing heroin with his mother.

The boy was SEEN getting injected by his mother and smoking with her.

Those are some johnny-on-the-spot caseworkers.

I am MORE than pissed my tax dollars are wasted supporting these idiots.

Truth1, earth to truth1, come in truth1...

This is just terrible...

Proves that some people SHOULD NOT be allowed to have children!

Jesus! Just when you think you've heard it all, someone tops it. Get that crap off the streets.

Maybe the poor dear was just mixed up in the head from past domestic violence and its not really her fault.

GREAT PARENTING SKILLS PUT TO USE HERE! I HOPE SHE ROTS!