spark and bebe53: I was wrong. concernedperson may have been right:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/19/re...

Ok wislady you had my last comment removed but you did not answer my question. So I will phrase it differently then. In your eyes then people who do not believe as you do are not then members of the public & should not be able to express their opinion when Paul Ryan is speaking? Only you & yours should have that option? This is exactly what you said:

Will the public be able to listen and speak with Ryan when he is in town, or are the protesters going to show up and yell everyone down?

What exactly did i not understand?

Did you not refer to you & yours as the public & the protesters as a different entity?

Maybe now you'd like to give me your 3 ideas SarahB1 from your last posting. I gave you mine in a challenge and you skipped out - how about now?

Ryan won his district even in the high 2008 Democrat election win - and of course again in 2010. I expect no trouble in 2012 either

Governor Doyle in 8 years raised taxes on the rich and the corporations and what has happened to Wisconsin? Few jobs and fewer job creators.
This rhetoric on the Democrat side that Republicans want old people to die or bad air or starve the children is ridiculous and anyone who buys into that stupidity isn’t engaged politically. NEITHER side wants that, but it will hurt Democrats in 2012 for the lack of civility and really complete nonsense.
I like Paul Ryan’s plan to shrink government.

mouse you are too funny - you suggest removal but copy paste the same posting on your "announcement" that you suggested removal keeping it there for all to see.
However, I'm still here and your vile insult is gone.
tsk tsk

No, we are too smart to watch Fox news. We know that's where all the lies generate from.

i think all obama supporters need to take one day and watch fox news network instead of all these other networks controlled by the democrats.

I really wish everyone in Washington could learn to bring up bills without all the garbage. Just some nice clean bills, no extra crap, and slow down the spending.

I know this is a dumb question, but has anybody speaking for or against, even taken a look at this?
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This thing by his own plan, won't be taking effect even if they passed it tomorrow.
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There's a provision, that reductions in spending will NOT occur in time of an "economic downturn" or in a time of war. Well we've got both, thus no spending reductions.
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He also assumes that industry like construction and home sales are going to return to 2006 levels, you know the rate that was fueled by predatory lending, bad loans, free money and the whole spending spree that started this. His plan requires us to be back at those levels to fill his "plan"
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all I gotta say, is get off your "sides" and pay attention. Quit fighting because of what your side tells you to. Start thinking on your own for once

NO, you DON'T understand what I said, and your crude language is disgusting.

Will the public be able to listen and speak with Ryan when he is in town, or are the protesters going to show up and yell everyone down?

Mouse: Yours is the greatest post yet.

peacenick....... Ryan is not working for us in Government, Yes he gets his pay and big benifits, but remember he his the Kock Brothers poster child.
His income grows in leaps and bounds as he helps put Wisconsin and the rest of the U.S workers and families in the poor house.
Maybe we could have someone from a university or other organization set up a math book for kids, it would include Ryan's facts in simple form.
Then kids could get a better understanding and equate the results of Ryan's attack on family values in a step by step playbook. We don't need smoke and mirrors, just numbers that even Walker could grasp, because we don't want him to drop out again.
Walker could also create an education book " The Fleecing of Wisconsin"

Time to update the rally signs. How about, "I'm not paying taxes until GE pays taxes." Ryan is a corporate lobbyist, nothing more. We have to eliminate entitlements in order to further subsidize big business? We know who really benefits from this welfare state.

BTW--I am a progressive but think that Paul Ryan should come around (whatever the cost) and LISTEN to his constituents--that is a part of his job.

Come on progressives--I like the new passion but we don't want to sound like the other guys.

Ryan is difficult (like most politicians) they grow up in prosperity and think they understand poverty. They always talk about the people taking it easy in hammocks but the real poor families in our city are working for very low wages.

He has advertisements on the radio paid for with taxpayer money. Our politicians should not be using tax payer money for obvious political purposes.

Haven't you heard? He doesn't want to be president.

Paul Ryan for president!

Kaysbrew: I beg to disagree with you on that one. That's not what Republicans are about. You do not interpret what I say correctly. I get my laugh everyday from Ryan. He is a joke.

concerned - you sound like a Republican - Big government and total control of your life is what Dems are about -
Ryan and GOP are about smaller less intrusive, less regulations, less government.
Thanks for joining our side.

youkillme: A listening session is where we listen to him and he tells us what we are going to do, how we are going to live, what we are going to eat, when we will go to bed at night, and how much pain we are going to receive, and then how much more pain we are going to receive.

It's not about listening to the people because that's not going to happen. This is a public show and that's all it is.

bebe53: I don't care about name calling. If arrogance is asking for facts, look up the word. Show me. Compromise? The government didn't shutdown last week. 38B that will wreck job growth. Ignorance? I'm sharing facts which you seem to ignore. I'm still smiling and see the light. C'mon and join us!

Okay, Ryan is coming into Janesville. Is a listening session where he listens to us - or are do we sit there like good school children and listen to him.

garyprimer
I love you, you make me laugh everyday - Thank you!

Garyprimer: I love your post.

"You are aware that Obama has done nothing but spend, spend, spend also, right?"

Spark-Here is visual that supports your statement above.

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/02/05/past...

garyprimer...... love it!

concernedperson - You are aware that Obama has done nothing but spend, spend, spend also, right? Not taking sides. Just pointing out he has done the same as the past with little effect and solution.

instructor: I like our president. And I can see what you are saying. I don't have a problem with the color of his skin, but I do believe that are those who do. And that's my opinion, take it or leave it.

Honorfirst: I beg to differ with you. They are on the wrong path, and if they go too far it will be the ruination of our great nation. But, some think getting themselves rich is more important than our great nation. Exactly what they are both doing to Wisconsin and our nation.

concerned@12:48pm-I'm sure the white side of his family might have something to say about that. If there was such a racist backlash against him, he never would've made it this far in the first place.

pastafarian-your logic is truly incredible-unfortunately, no matter how you choose to phrase it, taxes are paid by PEOPLE. And we are still all waiting to be enlightened by the left as to curing the deficit/budget problems-because again, no matter how much you raise taxes there is not enough money or "wealth" as you like to put it to pay for everything anymore. So where do you propose making the cuts-because our fearless leader in Washington, D.C refuses to address the hard questions and only blames the Republicans and continues to play the blame game.

Ryan and walker can fall together as they are not for the people of this state and Ryan has done nothing but lie to the truth behind his cuts and bill proposal he claims that it will not affect the medicaid/care and he is lying through his teeth IMO

At the end of the Clinton Admin. there was a balanced budget. Then Bush came in, and spent, spent, spent, and ruined it all and he cut the corporate tax rate too drastically. That is why we are where we are. Then Obama, came in to try and fix the Bush mess, and it was just about impossible to fix. That is why the President will not back down on the top 2% paying their fair share.

Now, about the gas prices. They are too high now and they were too high during the Bush era too.

Now the news media is reporting high gas prices are because of the Libyan situation.

We need some clean energy. But you can forget that for the state of Wisconsin under the Walker dictatorship. The company from Illinois who was going to come here and bring jobs with 3 wind farms said, "THE CURRENT LEGISLATIVE CLIMATE IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO GOOD BUSINESS."

The governor continually demonstrates his animosity toward the working class people of the state. He sends jobs away. He has not created any. And he also takes credit for creating some now, that were really created under the Doyle Admin.

Walker is bad for Wisconsin. Ryan is bad for Wisconsin and the nation. They only thing they are good for is asking how high they should jump when the Koch Bros., big corporations, big insurance companies, big banks, or Wall Street tells them to.

Rep. Ryan at least has a plan to turn around this mess we are in. Will there be winners and losers? There always is. Contrary to what our liberal friends believe, the wealthy pay more than their share of taxes and have for far too long. We can lower the taxes for most (that pay taxes) by lowering the entitlements that people now believe are their right to receive. It is high time that liberals begin supporting themselves and stop this sharing the wealth mentality.
What this country needs are a lot more folks like Ryan & Walker. They are attempting to put our country back on the right track.

bebe53 you tax wealth not people. It doesn't matter what is considered rich. You tax the wealth.

kaysbrew you sit and degrade anyone that stands up for the people whether by lies or by down right forcing the destruction here is one for your support of the liar you support http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqhtUTyqV... and another http://www.politicususa.com/en/criminal-...

Kaysbrew, you have made 18% of the comments here.
Did you have a point you want to make or is this a filibuster?

pastafarian-go back and read my 9:47 a.m. post-once that has sunk in, please explain to us all what else you would do to balance the budget and start trimming the federal deficit-'cuz you can't collect enough in taxes to even come close. And just in case you are not aware the top 10% of income level starts at around $113,000-are they considered part of the "rich" people who are not "paying their fair share"?? Just curious-

If the top 10% own 70% of the wealth they should pay 70% of the taxes.

The top 10% already pay 60% of the taxes. The problem is there isn't enough wealth in American anymore to cover Obama's existing and growing debt. If this continues we will be Greece, Portugal, etc. -like Wisconsin capital take over- people don't think they need to get off the mooch train and help out.

Nothing constructive here just the usual Bitc---g. Surprised this country has survived as long as it has.

considering the top 1% control just under 40% of the wealth and the top 10% own over 70% of the wealth in this country, it just kind of makes sense they pay most of the taxes.

Oh isn't it delightful when the prince rides through the villages and hamlets to greet his subjects!

Oh isn't it delightful when the prince rides through the villages and towns to greet his subjects!

excuse me concerned - read it again!

Kaysbrew: Obviously, you think it is okay that GE paid zero taxes? It's disgusting that they get away with it. You tell people "to get over it." Well, when GE pays zero taxes, the rest of us who do pay taxes, ARE NOT GOING TO GET OVER IT, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO.

garyprimer: I agree with you. "Unless you are in the upper 2%, you are foolish to go along with Ryan's plan," is what he said.

Oh, yes, be at the city hall, if you can. Some people have to work for a living and maybe they can't make it at that time.

Sorry for the term "colored." Maybe I should have said because "he is not white."

The top 2% pay 50% of all the taxes. I keep asking how much should their share be? 60%, 75% or what? I keep hearing they don't pay their fair share. So if 50% is not fair enough what is?

WHAT? Just like Obama himself - pass/punt

SarahB1 - really now - put on your big boy pants and get over Koch - GE - Immel and Soros are in a much bigging bed with Obama

First thing SarahB1 is to AX ALL public union collective bargaining. ALL of it.
Second -gone EPA, FCC, FEC
Third - Limit government to small Federal - and Give rights back to the states when they can't print money -they have to balance a budget.

NOW YOU GO - NO HAND OUTS - 3 IDEAS -----GO!

http://hermancain.com/

Cain/Ryan ticket, ohhh beware Obama, your demagoguery days and American budget busting days are almost over 11/2012

Show some respect for the president. How dare you question him or his office? You don't like him because of his race. Oops, sorry, I meant to say because he's colored. Seriously?

I always find it funny the liberals get so bent out of shape that people don't show the respect to the president (unless it's Bush) but it's okay to call Walker Hitler, Stalin, Mubarak, etc.

Only 45.4% of Americans had jobs in 2010, the lowest rate since 1983 and down from a peak of 49.3% in 2000. Last year, just 66.8% of men had jobs, the lowest on record.

Way to be productive Obama administration - Way to go!

Who put this guy in charge of finances? On his watch GM took 10 million of WI taxpayers dollars and ran. After looking at his budget proposal, I see another taxpayer funded corporate welfare scam. I guess memories are short.

Anything would be better then the current adminstration

If you seriously think that Ryan's plan is going to save the "republic" then god save us all...

greatplain-agree with spark in that not only are you seriously blind you seem to also be seriuosly arrogant and ignorant-yes, I did hear the president"s speech-did you??? Specific details of cuts and areas of compromise were almost non-existent-If he had any integrity he would be leading on the budget issues instead of following-but that would hurt his re-election chances

Don't listen to the left propaganda - Ryan is trying to save it - save the country and the left hates that. They want you down and dependent so you keep you hand out and keep voting for them.

Hands off my Social Security and Medicare Mister Ryan.

Too bad we couldn't use that way of thinking for Obama and his corrupt administration. 2010 and then 2012. It's coming and Wisconsin is the sign - GREAT SIGN

In a highly Democrat win in 2008 Paul Ryan still won his district as a Republican.

The difference here is ObamaCare was your downfall as approval is NOW only 35%
Repeal coming in 2012

yep, but when they're corrupt, get 'em out as soon as you legally can!

YUP - that's my point - Elected officials

If you don't like it, vote him out next time -
same for Obama - same for Walker - majority rule just like Justice Prosser

I'll be there to give him a stiff kick in the behind for placing fiscal responsibility that belongs to the rich that are not paying their share even more on the middle and lower class.

kaysbrew, isn't that what you've said numerous times about Walker?

I will be there thanking Paul Ryan for the hard work he has been doing. He has the "I love America spirit. He is making the tough decisions to save the republic. We all need to pitch in financialy to keep our country sovereign.
Quit name calling and educate yourselves.

Obama's famous words to shut up the GOP
- "I won"

Good. I have a few words for that man.

Right on spark - they tried for another "gotcha" and yet again bombed. I loved Ryans full on body slam of Obama's one tune chin in the air - campaign speech- he's going to have to better then that!

"He doesn't listen to me. He turns a deaf ear to things he doesn't want to hear." Sort of exactly like Obama, Fiengold, Robson, Spoden, Cullen, Rashkin.. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

greatplain - Are you seriously that blind? Someone else bringing up the word "colored" into an issue means I pushed the racial side? I have heard it all now. Do you even realize how racist the word "colored" is? What are we still living in the 50's?
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Don't even think about spinning this on me. Concerned responded to others that don't care for Obamas decision making or plan. So why was colored brought into the mix? Because someone doesn't agree with them? Can you possibly be more ignorant?

Tank ya , Tank ya.......and I would like everyoner to give a big rising ovation to Ryan and the "Kocha boya Orchestra" and a oner and a twoer and a freer......

bebe53: You didn't listen or watch the speech, did you? You just hammer the Prez without addressing anything he said.
How about him, making over 250K a year, would get a 200K tax cut that would make 33 seniors have to pay $6K more a year for health care? That's the Ryan plan.
Please use facts in your response.

spark-don't hold your breath too long because the liberals never feel they have to apologize for anything

spark: In your response to conceredperson, you pushed the racial side. Yes, people do not take him seriously..race? Maybe or maybe not. Your answer pulls the blinder down MORE.
To me, Concerned was discussing the lack of formality people have for our president, alluding to disrespectful behavior, (Boehner not making meetings, doesn't have time for the PRESIDENT, or being called liar at a SOTU speech). The point: The President submitted an opposite proposal to Ryan's Meltdown Plan.
I'm with the Pres. Share the burden. Folks making over $250K are currently not, nor creating magnificent job numbers, (for thirty years).

Mouse - Someone brings race into why they think others don't agree with a policy. I defend myself because race has nothing to do with my opinion. I'm not racist. So according to you, that is continuing the saga? No, that is called having a debate.
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You got called out, and simply could have ended it at Sorry. But that's too difficult for you.

Sorry spark, just realized you didn't bring it up, but playing your usual fence game you like to continue the saga. Like I said let it go.

Be there or be square?

The rising rock star of the cons going out of the beltway "on tour." (In that we liberals are now refered to as libs, I suggest we refer to conservatives as cons from now on....seems appropriate doesn't it?)

Mouse - I think you should try and read further down. I didn't bring color into it. Someone else did.

Ryan will be in Janesville on 4-18 at the City Hall from 4:00 to 5:15. Show up or shut up.

spark........ let's leave color out of this, what do you think?

Unless you are in the upper 2%, you are foolish to go along with Ryan's budget.
If you don't look out for yourself, no one else will.
When you vote in your self-interest, you are voting in the self-interest of millions of other Americans just like you.
That's a good thing.

Has anybody thought about a performance review for Ryan? How about comparing his district when he took over in 1999 vs. where his district is at today?

concerned-sounds like you have some bigotry issues of your own to get over. As for the tired mantra that we need to increase taxes and make all those "rich" people pay their "fair share" and all our budget issues will magically disappear-per the IRS ( in 2008 ) the entire taxable income of those earning $100,000 or more was approximately 1.6 trillion dollars-so even if you tax those people at 100% that would still not be enough to cover Obama's proposed deficit for this year much less enable us to lower it-like it or not, all those expensive entitlements need to be dealt with because we can no longer afford them at the current levels-all the liberals sticking their head in the sand will do nothing to solve the problms of social security,medicare,etc-and our President offered no solution to those problems yesterday because ha lacks the guts/fortitude/leadership that it would take to anger his liberal base.

Interesting and informative, and written by one that doesn't agree with the right's budget strategy. This is why many have lost faith in Obama. No leadership.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/11/opinio...

Reaganomics and Ryanomics do not work. Maybe they work for the rich Ryans, but it doesn't work for average people. Besides the speculation on Wall Street causing the depression, outsourcing good paying jobs also
contributed. By eliminating highly taxed factory workers you decrease governments coffers. Somebody has to pick up the slack.

concernedperson
did you just call Obama colored???????????????

http://hermancain.com/

Cain/Ryan ticket, ohhh beware Obama, your demagoguery days and American budget busting days are almost over 11/2012

FYI-Ryan usually has a couple of aides with him. Last time I saw him he was in a black Chevy Suburban.
You people that are so intent on critizing him should take the time and go to one or two of the meetings and let him know how you feel. He'll listen to you whether you believe it or not. Or you just can stay at home and keep b*cthing and whinng.

concernedperson - So because some people don't agree with Obama's plan, the race card gets brought into it? Give me a break. It's ok for others to not agree with Ryan's plan, so he has to go. When others don't agree with the PRESIDENTS plan, it racism. I don't think so.

bebe53: I will disagree with you on our president. He is doing a good job and he did give an answer on how to reduce the deficit. Some people still cannot get over the fact that our president is colored. I still believe there are rascist issues for many people.

The president gave an answer to reducing the deficit. Some of you just don't agree with it. Just like I don't agree with Ryan giving out vouchers. The vouchers aren't going to go very far when paying for private insurance. People are going to be left "high and dry." Seniors on medicare are not going to be able to get the health care they need.

Ryan is heartless. He needs to be gone from politics. He is bad for our nation and its' people.

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2011...

In a statement, Ryan says he looks forward to talking about the issues of the district and how Congress can reduce the nation's $14 trillion in debt, rein in spending, and help economic growth.Don't you mean steal from the workers, the women and the kids and give the money to the one's who want to reign supreme?
Must be going to get a lesson on computer counting 101 in Waukesha.

"He's more interested in making a name for himself"-kind of like Obama's speech yesterday in regards to the budget-long on rhetoric, totally lacking in substance/detail, and nothing more than pandering to the liberal base for his re-election run.What a joke for a president-no leadership, no sense of compromise, and no clue on how to run a country much less resolve a multi-trillion dollar deficit

nugnrose - He's more interested in making a name for himself? Pretty sure he's already accomplished "his name" over the last 11 years. He's not going anywhere. I'd say National coverage across the globe is making a name for yourself. Not to mention having the balls to at least try and figure out our debt issue. You may not like his solutions, but it's more than what the rest of those in office offered. Of course, until now, after something they don't like has been presented. How convenient.

bebe53: Oh...I thought you meant Paul Ryan! I do. He should come home...more often.

I totally agree with nug. Cut the government waste and career politicians and hold offices more accountable then we'll see where the debt is. I'm guessing that sooo much of our tax dollars are going for $1000.00 hammers (just an example) and we need to not have our money spent so frivioulsy!

Nice to see all the self-righteousness of the libs hasn't diminished one iota-

The article says the tour begins this coming Monday which is April 18. It ends April 29.

He doesn't listen to me. He turns a deaf ear to things he doesn't want to hear.

"Yea, right. He'll talk about the issues with you, as long as your views are the same as his. Time to send Ryan packing, he's more interested in making a name for himself than representing his constituents."

See.....this is the big issue with liberals. They want government to solve everything in their lives. If their senators/representatives are not raising taxes, punishing free enterprise, or passing legislation to cure society from its ills, they are not happy. The less politicians do, the less damage they do to this country.

"He could save some money by doing his tour via internet. How much is this tour going to cost the taxpayers."

Definitely cheaper than Oblunder using Air Force One to fly around telling people how the porkulus bill is working.

On a positive note: I've always wanted to meet Eddie Munster.

You people have nothing better to do than make stupid comments like this? Go do something worth while, help your neighbors or elderly people, smile and live life because it is to short. Your never going to be happy if you continue to do this kind negative stuff all the time.

In my excitement I made a mistake on the beginning date. It is April 29 not April 19.

Reducing the national debt is a good thing, how Ryan wants to do it is a bad thing. I suggest we start cutting at the top: term limits, cut Ryan's pay by 25%, no pension, no lifetime medical care. Cut waste and fraud in Medicare before cutting benefits. Limit the President's authority to send troops into combat without congressional approval, and cut waste and fraud out of the defense budget. That would be a good start.

The story says that the tour will begin April 19. How long will the tour last? What will he be touring in? Where will he be spending the night or nights? Will he be touring by himself? There seem to be a lof of unanswered questions.

One would think that a Wisconsin tour should include places other than the areas he has picked. The Dells is nice this time of year and a nice trip up to the Kickapoo River area might be lovely. A real nice trip is up to Copper Falls State Park. He could rent several busses and his followers could just sort of come along for a nice chat on the bus.

Yeah, he doesn't listen to me either. I told him I wanted the national debt to hit 30 trillion, but he wants to reduce it.

"Ryan says he looks forward to talking about the issues" Yea, right. He'll talk about the issues with you, as long as your views are the same as his. Time to send Ryan packing, he's more interested in making a name for himself than representing his constituents.

He could save some money by doing his tour via internet. How much is this tour going to cost the taxpayers.