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Court rules against CUNA retirees' sick pay

By ASSOCIATED PRESS   Thursday, August 11, 2011 - 6:40 a.m.
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MADISON—A federal appeals court in Madison has dismissed a lawsuit by retired managers at CUNA Mutual Insurance who argued the company had no right to eliminate their sick pay balances.

CUNA Mutual was sued after it stopping paying any share of employees’ health care in 2008. The move eliminated sick pay balances for about 600 retirees valued at $121 million. Some retirees had individually accumulated up to $145,000 in sick pay that they expected to use to fund their health insurance premiums.

The managers argued the company breached its promise to reward employees at retirement for coming into work instead of calling in sick.

The Wisconsin State Journal says the court ruled an employer can prefer its own interests, and that of its investors, over those of employees and retirees.




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carpandroses
Aug 11, 2011 at 11:45 p.m.
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Look out state workers! Gov. Walker has already began to look over your contracts; well, your former contracts. "Hmmm, what more can be taken from them," Walker is wondering. It shouldn't surprise you since you were responsible for causing our state's budget problem. Right? I heard Walker say that, so it must be true.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Aug 11, 2011 at 10:58 p.m.
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Doesnt matter who it is anymore, Coporate interests win in court. Excellent nation. Save sick time over the course of a career to pay for health benefits, and get screwed. Talk about changing the rules in the middle of the game. First public employees and now private bank managers. How will the repubs spin this one?
Just so were clear gmof3, the 145,000 was NOT an average. You have to read the 2 paragraph article it says that SOME had that, certainly not an average.
However if you dont like that number maybe you should break it down MATHEMATICALLY. 145,000 dollars divided by say a 30 year career, thats 4,833 a year divided by 52 weeks in a year, thats 92 dollars a week. Hardly enough to break a bank? Why would anyone be loyal to any business and show up to work everyday anymore? Why? So you can get screwed by the courts? This nation is pathetic. At what point do we stop taking from people? These arent even corrupt public workers paid by taxpayer dollars, these are private sector bankers that had NEGOTIATED contracts that a PRIVATE bank recanted on. What a pathetic excuse for a nation.

gmaof3
Aug 11, 2011 at 7:28 p.m.
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$145,000 in sick pay? Per person as an average? Whoa... Yeppers, I'd rip that out from underneath them too, if I were management. What the heck? $121 million charged against the company! Wow! Its gouging, at its finest! Sounds like the union mentality... I'm just sayin'....

elementalvirago
Aug 11, 2011 at 2:37 p.m.
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towhaul - That's great but when you need an air conditioner to get you through another midwestern summer, you'll have to go without. Air conditioners come from China; even if it's assembled here in Wisconsin (as some of them are) or proudly advertise "Made in the USA", the parts come from overseas. Hope your super special root beer keeps you cool enough.

Oreally
Aug 11, 2011 at 2:19 p.m.
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Well, those folks got suckered, didn't they? They clearly made a mistake when they believed what their employer told them. What people need to understand these days is that serfs have no rights and no reason to expect that they will be treated fairly. Get used to the downgrade.

Mensch
Aug 11, 2011 at 11:52 a.m.
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justmy414---Logic prevails

VerbalKint
Aug 11, 2011 at 11:17 a.m.
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facts101, There is no law that prevents managers to unionise. They just can not be represented by the same union as the employees the supervise.

saxcat70
Aug 11, 2011 at 11:02 a.m.
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justmy, i'm sorry you're so unhappy with your, or the, anyway, state of the workplace. I'm only 497 months old, but i've never had a job i didn't like, or an employer who i thought treated me unfairly. Guess that's why I work hard to do my best. or maybe it's the other way around....

coyote
Aug 11, 2011 at 10:59 a.m.
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What rights? Sounds like something for nothing to me; obviously they were not too sick to work as they were there drawing a paycheck. Why would they be paid twice for the same effort?

justmy414
Aug 11, 2011 at 10:34 a.m.
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Sure, when that person shows up at work with a highly infectious, highly contagious and potentially fatal to some individuals disease because they couldn't afford to take off work and not get paid it's going to be your problem. This is why companies have sick leave, so sick people don't get the other employees sick. These benefits developed over time because once upon a time companies actually had to pay reasonable wages, offer attractive benefits, and be decent places to work or they didn't get any decent employees. Now the goal is to make all the jobs equally low paying, poor benefits and crappy places to work and convince the public that they must work in these kind of places. Meanwhile, the money that used to be spent on the workers is filling the cauldrons for politial candidates and pacs to promote the public relations and class hatred needed to drive all wages down.

fishingal
Aug 11, 2011 at 10:21 a.m.
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Saxcat, right on! ps, I am a christian, but you can sign me up to the UBTCM.

tbov
Aug 11, 2011 at 10:21 a.m.
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woohoo townhaul, finally someone who makes a comment that sounds like they have a brain. Good Post!!!

facts101
Aug 11, 2011 at 10:17 a.m.
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Towhaul1369 Yes great post but full of hot air. These people were managers which the unions would not represent anyway.

saxcat70
Aug 11, 2011 at 9:31 a.m.
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Let's start with the whole sick pay idea. If you're here, I'll pay you. If your not, I won't. so take this whole sick pay idea and warm it up in yer keister. and then they're gonna let them roll it over if they don't use it? so they were getting paid double for sick days if they were always at work? What a stupid freekin idea. Kinda defeats the intended purpose of a sick day doesn't it? I'd have to be dead to pass up double time. It is this lack of respect for the dollar that puts companies and people in the red. As for the employees, they put their trust and a portion of their retirement into others hands. that's their fault.
there should only be one union in this country. the UBTCM. United Brotherhood of Takin Care of Myself.

and before one of you bible bangers jump all over that one, no...I'm not christian.

factsplease
Aug 11, 2011 at 9:22 a.m.
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Great post towhaul1369!!!

GrandmaM
Aug 11, 2011 at 8:37 a.m.
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Towhaul, you are right on. Thanks for the great post.

Pastafarian
Aug 11, 2011 at 8:36 a.m.
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There's no longer a need for unions!

SuperDave
Aug 11, 2011 at 8:18 a.m.
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Wow! I'm surprised they had such a great deal (even though the company reneged) in a private sector environment. This sounds like a gubmint-style deal!

Badgerlvr
Aug 11, 2011 at 6:47 a.m.
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Ahh, once again, corporations can always find a way to circumvent their own rules. Get used to it retiree's! Now that your usefulness has terminated, you're pretty much on your own. The rules you were forced to work under, no longer apply.

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