donnaw said, "Walker or Obama, the president of the USA who held a carrot out to Imment, making him a czar in the federal gov?"
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That is Immelt with an L, Donna. *Dangles a carrot to make Donna the Federal carrot czar*

Sarah...the move to China has been in the works since Doyle was gov. Do you think these things happen over night? Who do you think has more influence over the CEO of GE, Walker or Obama, the president of the USA who held a carrot out to Imment, making him a czar in the federal gov? Apparently Obama couldn't persuade him to change his mind.

The only reason the repubs are so anti union is because they donate to the democratic party. I don't think that they or corporations belong in politics as it takes away from the focus on the people. And it sucks that some people buy into the crap they put out there, because they don't realize that the republican party don't care at all about individuals, just the corporate cash.

I never claimed they weren't troll.

Are you now agreeing that Walter's data are correct, RAF?

Troll why are you asking here what has already been provided to you there?

RAF said, "But facts are never what the OWSDEM brigade are about."
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Strange hearing you talking about facts. How about providing the facts we have been asking you to provide for the last week on this Gazette article comment section?
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http://gazettextra.com/news/2011/dec/08/...

The left fringe is at it again, this time blaming data from the census on Walker. Too bad the fringe is incapable of using their own thoughts, and understand the data in question was all accumulated under Doyle and reflects his time in office. But facts are never what the OWSDEM brigade are about.

janesvillean: What are the 2011 numbers? My city is at $95,262 for median HH income up from $71,236 in 2009. That seems like a huge jump. Best I can find is a decline for Janesville in 2011 at $55,133. Not sure if that is accurate. That doesn't seem like a shift in the right direction & seems below average. Just curious as I was considering relocating to your area but am very concerned with the decline in seemingly everything there.

Welcome to your future. More proof that the agenda of Walker and his middle class followers in self-denial is working as designed. Not much longer and this won't be a story because you'll all be this poor. Welcome to your future.

Good...and he sure knows how to pick good people! Not!

GoodAmerican...and your buddy Obama has you bamboozled along with the rest of the Dems! He is in over his head! He is good at vacationing and campaigning.

Median family income in Janesville in 2009 {median is halfway, same number of units on each side}:
Janesville: $57,179
Wisconsin: $62,638
http://www.city-data.com/income/income-J...
(to be in the 1% you need family income > $200k, just like most places; we are a fairly average city overall)

@ GoodAmerican, our teachers dun good dint they. My point was poverty comes from lack of income ie no living wage jobs available; whose fault is that?

donnaw--It's pretty clear from your uninformed posts that you don't realize that YOU are paying the corporations' share for them. The conservatives have got you bamboozled.

I'd bet if unions AND corporations were not allowed to contribute to political campaigns this conversation would be a bit more focused. Am I wrong?

916WI....I have much too much fun getting a rise out of wingnut right wingers from the disappearing middle class like yourself who imagine themselves as 1%ers and therefore support the growing wealth of the corporations and the expense of the very group of which they are a part. And if you believe that the problems of my state or yours are the result of the current administration, then you are even slower than I imagine.

@freebird. Such flawed thinking.

$28,041 low teacher salary in Janesville for 2010-11

$68,194 highest teacher salary in Janesville for 2010-11.

And really, stop with the red herring argument about only working 9 months. They work infinitely longer and harder and are more dedicated than you can imagine. Think not? You try teaching a classroom for a day and see how you do.

@916WI--be careful how you use data. More recent NAEP test data shows the overall, WI continues to score better than the nation in reading scores:

In reading, Wisconsin fourth-graders had a scale score of 221, one point higher than in 2009 though statistically the same as state results from 2003 through 2009 as well as this year’s national reading scale score of 220. At eighth grade, Wisconsin’s reading scale score was 267, also one-point higher than in 2009 but statistically unchanged. For the nation’s public school students, the eighth-grade reading scale score was 264. Wisconsin’s eighth-grade reading scale score is statistically higher than the national score.

let's look at this again:
Let's stay focus on this, avg wage for teachers is around 40k now include ins and pension +10k = 50k. Now take in consideration of this pay at 9 months or 36 weeks, 50/9=5,500 a month or 50k/36= 1,388 per week. Now take 1,388 times 52 weeks and that is what your avg teacher makes in the janesville school district,--$72,176. Now include the summer jobs at school and the extra they do as coaches and such. You are looking around $80,000 per teacher. Now let me ask you all this, what % in janesville makes this kind of income. Not many, so the teachers are classified as the 1% here are they not. Remember!! it is for the children!!

Janesvillecan...in 2008, Wisconsin was spending $10,791 per pupil in its public primary and secondary schools. Yet, in the 2009 NAEP reading test, Wisconsin public school eighth-graders again scored an average of only 266 out of a possible 500. Only 34 percent earned a rating of "proficient" or better in reading. Despite spending more money per student than any other midwestern state, our schools obviously didn't deliver the results to reflect this.
It looks as if the "tax to the max" crowd just cannot comprehend that simply throwing a massive amount of taxpayer dollars at a problem won't solve it.......somehow that doesn't surprise me........

Nvgrf...when you got back into Nevada from your eyeopening road trip did you have time to check and see if your state still had some of the highest foreclosure and unemployment rates in the country?? Before you spout more of your massive amount of ignorance in a sad attempt to educate us on what Wisconsin needs to do to resolve it's problems, take some time out and try to do something about the problems that exist in the state you live in.

walworth county...enough said...been through delevan at all in the past 10 yrs...

Goodamerican...so Obama and the Dems who had control of congress for 3 years before GOP took the House couldn't find a way to fix the tax problem? Also, why would Obama appoint someone as a jobs czar who doesn't give a darn about creating jobs in this country!!

This article is about Poverty and their choice of "SURVIVE or education", I did not see anything in this article about "TEACHER'S" not doing their job or their pay. I see it doesn't take long for people to start blaming Obama or Walker. Lets look at some facts, min wage$7.25 x 40 hrs week x 52weeks = $15080 (2 adults =$30160) Federal Poverty for a family of 4 is $22350. What does this mean? It means to live within your means, too many people buy things that they dont need (big house, 2 new cars, Motorcycle, boats) and can not afford the toys and put food on the table. Also, I see so many workers go out to the bar after pay day and how much do they drop there...$25, $50 or $100? That all adds up to alot of money over the year ($1300,$2600, $5200 respectively). WHAT EDUCATION IS MISSING? How to budget your income and what is a need vs a want. How many homeless people do you see with cell phones and computers...just go to the shelter and look. I was taught to spend money on food and clothing before widgets/ gadgets. (And I did have this conversation with a "Business Teacher" at a local High School and was told this is what they teach but only to those students taking the class since business is not a required class.

donnaw--Read a little news. It's NOT the whitehouse that wants corporations to pay no taxes! You're blaming Obama for something that is the DIRECT action of the conservative Republicans.

Reflecting on all of this - while the percentage of poor children in WI continues to rise - Teachers and other public employees are fighting to not give up a little of their non poverty and in some cases upper middle class wages. So would someone please explain as to why it is is ok for the Families of poor children to continue to pay ever increasing state sales and property taxes so as to support these non poverty life styles. And I was not aware that poverty also led to being uneducatable. But then again it is all about the children or so some of you claim.

Ah, Donnaw, GE has been s@r#w*n& the american tax payer long before Obama was even a Senator from Illinois...

But one thing is for sure, with child poverty rates going up fast here in WI, it is very SHORTSIGHTED by Scooter Walker and his GOP cronies and Koch financiers to have cut so much $ from education. We'll be paying for that decision long into the future...

GE, a company headquartered in Waukesha is moving its 115 year old X-ray division to China. They will invest $2 billion there and train engineers and technicians. GE's CEO is Jeff Immelt who is Obama' s Jobs Czar, charged with creating jobs. Guess Obama forgot to tell him in which country. GE also paid no taxes last year, after making over $5 billion in the US. Are the lights on in the Whitehouse?

I would have spelled "surprise" correctly, but I thought one correction of coyote's post was enough :-)

This comes as no suprise with the Walker administration setting the tone for our economy.

Wisconsin is notable for losing ground in the last quarter more than any other state, whereas most states had economic growth. The cause may be left as an exercise for the reader.
http://twitter.com/#!/RepSondy/status/14...

nvgrf-- you are a hypocryte, you joke about Walker but you have the money to drive all over this country, that is sad!!!

coyote....You might want to look at the numbers instead of merely mouthing back the words of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. The economy is on the upswing. I drove 1900 miles across this great country in the last couple of days and could not believe the amount of new home and business construction. The Tulsa area was incredible! Don't use the Rust Belt as your measuring stick.

Just call Scott Walker. He really cares about the poor. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

This comes as no suprise with the Obama administration setting the tone for our economy.

"But we should not pay the teachers everything WE can to do this incredibly important job?"

Yes we should, I am an advocate for higher teacher pay.

Teachins isn't only about learning to read or write, it is about showing kids how to care. If you are in teaching just to teach those things, you need to get out.

"Teachers should do everything they can to build these little guys up for success." But we should not pay the teachers everything WE can to do this incredibly important job? You want these people to serve OUR kids, to try to take a child who comes from a disadvantaged home and turn them into successful adults, an all but impossible task, for as little pay and benefits as possible? Why in the world should teachers keep doing everything they can for the kids, for the community, when we keep taking away from them? Their job gets harder and harder in a LOT of ways the worse the economy gets, but we call THEM the whiners and the spoiled ones. Amazing.

For success I meant.

Just because students are in poverty does not mean they can't learn. Teachers should do everything they can to build these little guys up fir success.

The school system should do everything it can to encourage these young people to succeed.