egalindo I am a union memeber and first i have to say again.. I am totaly against what is happening here.. second it is people like you that fall for that crap about those forgein cars being "American" that got us here.. that money all goes back to the home land and our goverments give them all kinds of tax breaks so they don't even pay in at the same rate that our companies do.. and third.. where the heck in Wisconsin do we build any of those cars.. we use to build GM and Chrysler.. but now we don't.. so your arguement about them being "American" has no weight here!!.. Our plants got shut down and that is all that matters.. I am betting you drive one of those cars , so you must justify it to the world why your not part of the problem.. well if that works for ya... Good Luck with that!! but i will say it clear and loud.. IF YOU DRIVE A FORGEIN CAR OR TRUCK AND ONLY SHOP FOR THE CHEAPEST CRAP YOU CAN GET FROM CHINA, YOU HAVE NO SAY IN THIS FIGHT.. IT IS YOUR FAULT IT IS HAPPENING!!

Party foul!

SarahB

I SINCERELY hope you don't get one of the pink slips.

Have a great day.

Sarah......He plans on "sticking it"--Sticking it right to the greedy and corrupt labor unions!:)

Tubbs needs to do his job, he was told to clear the building.

It is time for him to quit protesting and follow orders, unless he is on vacation.

There are guidelines set up for visitors to the Capitol, and that does not allow for attaching items to the wall, railings, or even allowing helium balloons inside.

It is very clear cut.

If you were born after 1975, I was in the union before you were born.

Nice try egalindo.

The Taft-Hartley Labor Act of 1947 is the law here.

The act established control of labor disputes on a new basis by enlarging the National Labor Relations Board and providing that the union or the employer must, before terminating a collective-bargaining agreement, serve notice on the other party and on a government mediation service.

Read more: Taft-Hartley Labor Act — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/bus/A08476...

wislady, none of this has to do with his family. Posts like that do nothing for either side.

http://www.wkow.com/global/story.asp?s=9...

@ glock21sf Any relation to Ilse Koch?

@ sickofyou These days Toyotas and Hondas are "American cars" according to the Wall Street Journal (see link below) and NAFTA, CAFTA and other X trade agreements that made this a reality are some of the same types of "union-busting" that we are fighting today in Madison. Stand with us in protest!

http://blogs.wsj.com/drivers-seat/2010/0...

Article 23 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights identifies the ability to organize trade unions as a fundamental human right, while item 2(a) of the International Labor Organization’s Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work defines the “freedom of association and the effective recognition of the right to collective bargaining” as an essential right of all workers.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/g...

One would think that a anyone who is a vet, a teacher, or a police office would know that THIS is just plain wrong, and ask someone to remove it from the Forward statue.

Wasn't Charlie Tubbs chief of Beloit police, and retired?

Where are people getting that union rights are constitutional rights? Last I checked the U.S.Federal government is Right to work. You can join or not join.

Staff Detail Information for Charles Tubbs
Division:
Capitol Police
Bureau:
Administrative Office
Section:
Administrative Office
Email Address:
Charles.Tubbs@wisconsin.gov
Work Phone:
608-266-8797

http://www.doa.state.wi.us/staff_detail....

If you follow the link for the Facility Use request on that site, you will find the requirements for visiting the Capitol....it specifically bars attaching items to the interior, no helium balloons, and no overnites.

Time for everyone who is just as disgusted with the lack of respect for this beautiful building to be contacting Mr Tubbs. Ask him to do his job.

DOA is headed by a Secretary appointed by the Governor with the advise and consent of the Senate. The Secretary formulates departmental policies and supervises the implementation of duties assigned to the department under Chapter 16 of the Wisconsin Statutes.

It is time for Walker to clean house, starting at the Capitol.

Here is an example of how the protesters are taking care of the capital building http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHWZIG199...

This is the problem - public sector unions create a second authority for the public employees to be loyal to. They are loyal to the Union not the people elected to have power over them. This is treason. The police chief should be fired without warning or reprimand. Further, charges should be issued.
The next obvious move is to bring in the National Guard whom the Governor does have power.
This is proof positive that the back of the public union must be broken without mercy.

ok i was trying to stay out of this fight but i just have to say.. What did you think was gonna happen? I see people posting on here mad about what Walker is doing, As you drive around in your foreign cars and shop at Walmart, taking no consideration of where your products come from, now that the wages are way down and the good jobs are moved out, the tax base is way down..So what is the goverment suppose to do? Nice of you to care now that it effects you,, you should have cared a long time ago!! Seriously, drive into any teachers parking lot and i bet three quarters of the cars in it are foreign!..So alot of this is your own fault.. Don't get me wrong I am totaly against what is going on, but take some ownership in your own demise!!

Looks like things aren't going very well for our good friend in the governor's mansion.
The misanthropes here are having a bad week as well.

Well, that's great wislady. We finally are getting some real value for our tax dollars -- room service. Did you happen to get the number for room service while you were at the Capitol?

According to this report, from when Tubbs was appointed the Chief of the Capitol Police, he was appointed by Doyle’s Secretary of Administration… Well, there’s a new sheriff in town, I’d say it’s time for some housecleaning.

In 2008, Tubbs was paid $109,000 tax dollars a year, and for that, he has turned the Capitol Police into room service for squatters… Nice.

It's funny to see all these "union supporters", who answer the call for unity amongst all unions. They preach about solidarity and then call the cheapest non-union contractor to do repairs at their house. I know you will all claim you don't, but you do. When you need tuck-pointing, do you call a union mason? No! When you need an outlet replaced, do you call a union electrician? No! I know, because I am in the Union, and know the shortage of work in the construction trades. You will place an ad on Craigslist looking for the cheapest person around...depriving union workers the same rights to a fair wage you so selfishly reserve for yourself! Where was your voice when GM and construction workers were getting laid off? Oh yeah....looking for cheap non-union labor to do repairs around your house. I am all for unions remaining strong, but find the hypocritical rhetoric nauseating, when I know that these are the same people who cross construction pickets in a second!

Two weeks of not cleaning it? Tax payers' money saved! Thanks protestors! Keep up the great work. Walker has made it very clear, his main goal through all of this is to crush the unions and to help his party get more powerful. He could care less about the middle and lower class, IMO. And it will only get worse.

Hello! Spoden is a Democrat, what would you expect?

Just send the Union the bill for the clean up of the Capital building. They may have to raise the dues but what else do they have to spend the union employees money on except supporting the Dem's.

dogs rule - Sheriff Spoden works for Rock County. Not Dane County. Not Gov. Walker. If he feels it is inappropriate to spend OUR tax dollars interfering with our CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED rights to free speech and peaceful assembly, then I fully support our Sheriff, Bob Spoden!

It's the taxpayers of Wisconsin building. All are welcome.
Forward Wisconsin.

Just reading some of these comments makes me wonder if we're not paying these teachers ENOUGH. Come on people, we're talking about taking someone's right to protest away. They are not breaking any laws. If they were, those individuals would be dealt with appropriately. This whole issue is about taking rights away. How many of you Walker supporters would be so quick to give up your freedoms and rights. WE LIVE IN AMERICA (A democracy where we should have a voice). Read your history books and while you're at it brush up on your English.

2dognight: I said that in a very early post here. glock21sf: I guess it was alright though to say the same things about Obama when he was elected President. Some referred to him in MUCH worse ways. Always okay when it is the other side.

God is on everybody’s side. And as for the police, they are looking at all the overtime they are getting.

Those "union thugs" are the police (ref: Wolfkillers first post). Walker has lost all control. The police are sworn to protect and serve the people - not to blindly follow the orders of a politician. The people are peaceful and doing no harm in the Capitol. No need to do anything.

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Sen. Cullen and the 14 - Please keep up the fight! Every day more truth comes out and every day more people change their minds and realize just how corrupt this new Governor is. Do not return until you have your compromise.

youkillme; Now you're invoking God. Wow! You guys really have lost it.

I have an idea. Why don't we all quit responding to these posts.
In the very least no one will be heard.

Stay strong Tim Cullen, democrats, teachers, police, firemen, state hospital workers, social workers, prison guards, etc. God is on your side. Wisconsin is on your side.

as for kids.. the building is full of kids. may parents are bring childern of all ages. many grandparents are there too

dane co police chiefs reports no health or safety hazards

" the normally immaculate " building ? anyone who has been up there has seen how clean the protesters are keeping this building. every thing neat. bathrooms clean, floor clean, free food, lots of hand sanitizer, lending library in one corner. one wing reserved for family (no photos), poster are hung with care. they use painters tape so sticky will be left when removed. lot of very friendly officers from all over the state who seem happy to be there... these SLOB, as they were just called on tv have worked hard to keep this place a wonderful place for thier family and you. come up for a visit

I went up there and stood and marched for several days, luvmydog. I am working, I am a public employee, I took vacation days. It is called sacrifice. That is something some of us do for important things.

luvmydog, you ask if your union dues are being used to pay people while they sit at the Capital "while you work". No,it doesn't work that way. I suspect that you are not a union member as you say or you would not be asking a question such as this.

Of course some of the people are not union members, they are marching and protesting in support of something they know is important. I hope this answers some of your questions.

Let me see if I've got this straight. We have a Janesville senator that has fled the state, we have Janesville teachers that fled to Madison to protest and some goofball hippie looking student (in the paper today) that fled his classes at the UW (I hope his parents don't complain about any increase tuition) to go to the capitol to sleep.

Doesn't this make you proud to be from Janesville. NOT! What a bunch of losers!

alwaysright, if the protesters were violating any laws, why haven't they been arrested yet?

luvmydog, I've seen a lot of people working from the capitol or working a full-shift at their place of employment and then coming to the capitol. I've also seen many people voluntarily take unpaid or vacation time in order to be at the capitol more.
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Your union dues go to your union, not to random protesters. If you are in a union and unaware of how your dues are being used, contact your union.
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I've been there daily and I can say that it doesn't smell and there's no graffiti. Protesters have voluntarily joined in the cleaning effort. In case you missed it, THE POLICE ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE PROTESTERS. Did you miss all of the "cops for labor" signs and the video footage of the police, firefighters, corrections officers, and veterans proudly marching through the capitol in protest of Walker's proposed legislation?

Apparently, laws mean nothing to the protestors either. I do not respect anyone protesting or Walker or the 14 Democratics in Illinois. What is this world coming to when NO ONE is respecting anyone but themselves and what they want? I wish we had trillions of $$ to spend, because that is the ONLY thing that will make everyone happy. The union wanted a democratic in office as they contributed millions to their campaign (according to the Gazette). I'm just saying there is NO answer to help Wisconsin to get us out of debt and balance our budget. So why don't we just print unlimited money and lets just spend until we are all so happy. As much as some are sick of Walker, as much as some are sick of teachers protesting,can anyone tell me how we can all be happy and balance our budget, & if you know why didn't you run for Govenor?

I have a couple questions. First are all the protesters that are refusing to leave the Capital building not working? I too am a union member, but I have a job to go to tomorrow. It's a job I have a lot of respect for and if any of you have jobs I would think you would be going to your job instead of spending the night at the Capital, after all I think the point has been made already. Question number two is Are my union dues being used to pay you while you sit at the Capital building while I work because if so I want my money back. The Police have asked that you leave and now the building is stinking and you still refuse and enough already. Lets let the Senators that were elected come home and let them do the job they were elected to do and let Democracy take over now. You had your say let's get this thing rolling. Enough. It's a sad day when they say our State Capital building is smelling like a locker room.

spikesmom: Get a clue.

They need to get out!

We have heard them. Now get out.

just because they are not beating people up or being violent does not mean they are not being offensive and pathetic! I could empathize with them more and consider their side of the debate if I was not constantly be bombarded with images comparing Walker, and the Republicans in general (which I am one of) to Nazis and Hitler!!!!!!! STOP IT ALREADY!

the police are protesting right along with the other government workers. They see through walkers bill and know it has nothing to do with balanced budgets.

Rock on Sheriff Spoden!! The building will be cleaned one floor at a time tonight. Protesters will be moved accordingly. This is how democracy works folks. These people are doing nothing wrong. They are cleaning up after themselves and they are PEACEFULLY protesting for the right to be heard.

Really, another Hitler reference and from a teacher in our district?

busypeabody, hundreds of police officers have come in from around the state - it's not just capitol police there. I've been there daily, and thanked every officer that I saw. They all smiled back and some said, "No - thank you!"

egalindo, are you really comparing those that want our Capital back to those that tried to cleans the world of the Jewish religion??? You are truly demented. Just like the protesters carrying signs comparing Walker, who just wants to balance the state budget, to Hitler, who killed hundreds of thousands of people. You and your ilk make me want to vomit. You are offensive.

I truly feel sorry for the Capitol Police to be caught in the middle. Can't the protestors give them a little break too and be thankful for them the last two weeks? Why can't the public let the maintenance crew clean it up for one night? Is it that much to ask for (4 p.m. to 8 a.m.)?

God bless the Capitol police and the thousands of protesters demonstrating Solidarity for democracy and workers in a peaceful way. Only wish this were summer. The 70,000 on saturday would have been 700,000.

SarahB1, I've heard that protesters are helping to clean today, as they have over the past two weeks. While I haven't seen any school tours, I have seen countless children there with their parents. There's a family center set up on the first floor's north wing, complete with toys, art supplies, snacks, and a rocking chair for nursing mothers. Cool, huh?

How can anything get done with political activists as our chief law officers? A quote from Sheriff Spoden an hour ago."Just to be clear. The Rock County Sheriff's Office is not and will not participate in removing citizens who are lawfully and peacefully gathering in their Capitol to protest in a positive way. It is their building and their lawful right." VOTE HIM OUT or RECALL for not doing his job!

alwaysright, clearly ethics and labor laws mean nothing to Governor Walker, let alone public safety: http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt-...

Cheers Capitol Police, Cheers!

In your face Walker...You can try to silence the will of the people, but you will not succeed.

This proves to me, that NO ONE respects the laws. Walker is trying, the teachers are trying, the police are trying (to get their way). No violence maybe, but the laws mean nothing to anyone.

Why would they? Overtime is priceless $$ How much money has already been wasted.Pretty expensive baby sitting in my opinion.

Joel_Rodgers, if you were the police, you would be marching with the protesters. Have you not seen all of the footage of police, firefighters, and corrections officers protesting Walker's proposed legislation?

Are they still conducting tours throughout the Capitol? School children ususally have field trips to the Capitol throughout the year.

I dont care where your politics fall, have some respect for the historic building and let them clean it up. The building belongs to all of us from Wisconsin and we should have pride in it. There is nothing wrong with taking to the lawn and steps for an evening and letting the maintenance workers do their thing.

Hmmmm...this reminds me of another time when people used hygiene language as a code for what would later come to be called cleansing of "undesirable" populations. The link between this and notions of hygiene are best seen in the euphemism of the shower/gas chambers and the experimentation with turning human fat into soap.

I take it all the others that just posted are rich and don't want the alternative, taxing the rich.

Maybe the police are showing a little empathy or support for the protesters. The only people wasting their prescious time are the bloggers on these sites (me included) that don't sway anyone one way or another. Our minds are made up and it only deepens my convictions when I see the opposite side rant and rave.

Don't any of these freaks have jobs or a family to go to. Maybe their family doesn't want them either.????

The place still needs a good scrubbing. Just hose everything down, protesters included. A good delousing at this point wouldn't hurt either.