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State doesn't act to renew jobless benefits

By ASSOCIATED PRESS   Tuesday, June 21, 2011 - 8:02 a.m.
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MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Extended federal unemployment benefits ran out in April, even though the state could have acted to renew them.

All but a few states have chosen to accept 13 additional weeks of unemployment coverage picked up by the federal government as part of the 2009 stimulus bill. The extended benefits are worth up to $363 a week.

The Journal Sentinel says that as a result, more than 10,000 unemployed Wisconsinites are no longer receiving an estimated $89 million in extended unemployment.

Rep. Robin Vos, the co-chairman of the Joint Finance Committee, is among legislators who think extending unemployment benefits give those without a job a reason not to take low-paying work.

The issue could come before the state Unemployment Insurance Advisory Council on Thursday.




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whzbng
Jun 24, 2011 at 9:40 p.m.
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UC should be paid out at the normal rate for the first 13 weeks a worker is unemployed. Thereafter every 13 weeks should see a 10% reduction in benefits. This would encourage workers to try harder to find a job and even take a low paying job because the benefit check will eventually be lower than min wage. We have long term unemployment comp already, it is called welfare.

LibertyBelle
Jun 22, 2011 at 3:52 p.m.
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I'll order one Reaganomics please and make that stat!

LibertyBelle
Jun 22, 2011 at 3:50 p.m.
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Your funny PanamaRed. I mean CubaBlue

PanamaRed
Jun 22, 2011 at 2:53 p.m.
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Thanks for clearly showing how utterly destructive the Republican tax cuts have been kaysbrew. Bush really put us in a hole with his tax cuts while trying to fight not one, but two expensive wars plus the fact that our economy was slowing down as the Tech stock bubble had burst months earlier. Your post clearly shows that if not for Republican incompetence when dealing with our economy, the Obama stimulus spending would not have been necessary.
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For some reason though, the Washington Examiner failed to include the whole report, only reporting what conservatives wanted to see. Not to say the report is not dismal, needless to say the information it contains regarding our long term budget is very gloomy. But here is what the director of the CBO, Douglas Elmendorf said in the actual report:
“To keep deficits and debt from climbing to unsustainable levels, policymakers will need to increase revenues substantially as a percentage of GDP, decrease spending significantly from projected levels, or adopt some combination of those two approaches,…”
So Democrats propose a combination of cuts in spending and increasing revenues as a way to deal realistically with the deficit. What do Republicans propose?

dg468
Jun 22, 2011 at 2:50 p.m.
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Grandys: I hope you don't work day shift because you are posting on these comment sections all day long every day. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. But nonetheless, for someone who seems to think they know the secret to living life the one and only right way, you sure are grumpy! I have a hard time finding one post of yours that has something nice to say about anyone.

kaysbrew
Jun 22, 2011 at 12:54 p.m.
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The buying power of Americans’ wages is declining at the fastest rate since 2008, with real average hourly earnings down 1.6 percent during the 12 months ended in May. Job growth also has slowed, and the unemployment rate in May reached 9.1 percent, the highest level so far this year.

kaysbrew
Jun 22, 2011 at 12:51 p.m.
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/belt...

Obamanomics

•Debt will reach 70 percent of GDP by the end of this year – the highest percentage since World War II.
•Spending on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will reach 15 percent of GDP by 2035 – spending on all government programs has averaged 18.5 percent over the past 40 years.
•Total government spending is set to hit 27 percent of GDP by 2035.
•Taxes are sight to grow from 19 percent of GDP in 2013 to 23 percent by 2035.
•Americans “at various points on the income scale would pay a larger percentage of their income in taxes than people at the same points do today.”
•The effective marginal tax rate on labor income would rise from about 25 percent now to about 35 percent in 2035.

kaysbrew
Jun 22, 2011 at 12:44 p.m.
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Reaganomics refers to the economic policies promoted by the U.S. President Ronald Reagan during the 1980s, also known as supply-side economics.

1.Reduce Growth of Government spending.
2.Reduce Income Tax and Capital Gains Tax.
3.Reduce Government regulation.
4.Control the money supply to reduce inflation.

Reagan enacted lower marginal tax rates in conjunction with simplified income tax codes and continued deregulation. The federal deficit fell from 6% of GDP in 1983 to 3.2% of GDP in 1987. The federal deficit in Reagan's final budget fell to 2.9% of GDP. The rate of growth in federal spending fell from 4% under Jimmy Carter to 2.5% under Ronald Reagan.

PanamaRed
Jun 22, 2011 at 12:28 p.m.
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"Trickle down economics only works to give Reagan a LANDSLIDE victory in 1984."
You sure know your history kaysbrew.
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"...the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 (ERTA) was the biggest tax reduction in American history." -TaxHistory.org
By the way kaysbrew, did you forget or just conveniently leave out the fact that "trickle down economics" also forced Reagan to RAISE taxes.
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"Almost immediately, lawmakers began to have second thoughts. Deficit projections began to rise sharply, worrying traditional conservatives who still believed in balanced budgets. When those deficits began to materialize, pressure grew for a tax hike. In 1982 Reagan agreed to a substantial tax hike. More followed in 1984 and 1987, further eroding the 1981 reductions." -TaxHistory.org
Wow, the truth hurts kaysbrew, but then to you the "truth" is only what you want it to be.
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I'll bet you can find all kinds of examples of individuals who "work" the system basically stealing resources meant for others. Of course we would never see that type of behavior from Republicans. I know EVERY SINGLE wealthy person who benefited from the Republican tax cuts went out and created a job. And all that money Republicans gave to bail out Wall Street went directly into the accounts of all those individuals, like me, who saw their investments drop in value as billions in bonuses were given. Yes sir, the Republicans follow a much higher moral standard, that is if you close your eyes and pretend. Good luck with that strategy.

thekid3477
Jun 22, 2011 at 11:25 a.m.
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sarahb maybe if you people didnt look down on personal achievement so much you might not care what these persons have not achieved

thekid3477
Jun 22, 2011 at 9:50 a.m.
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kays talking about what the president has NOT done for black people. i assume thats the topic of the week on fox news

thekid3477
Jun 22, 2011 at 9:48 a.m.
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grandy seroiusly. thats a nice post. the truth is however that id be willing to bet whatever you want, that sarahb1's, mouse's, concernedperson's, panamared's or poobah's could say they have the exact same values. id bet at least a couple of them have had very similar work experiences as yourself. we all have different perspectives on what is best for us as individuals and us as america. you have a hardcore belief system based on YOUR life experiences. those other posters have THEIR perspective based on THEIR life experiences. there is NOT one hardfast appoach that will or even can please everyone. compromise can be found in any discussion. im not excusing any of those posters of name calling, or posting with a slanted agenda because almost all of us who post here on a regular basis are guilty of that. but to say that 'The liberals on here have no sense of personal achievement, in fact they look down on it' is flat out wrong and no offense but completely ignorant. ive been labeled as a liberal myself a few times on here. i was divorced 7 years ago. i have overcome a mountain of marriage debt. i have never been unemployed and i have never been late on a support payment. i take my kids at every opportunity, and oh yeah, i completely relocated my life/career when my ex moved, so i could be next to my children. ive been arrested for owi 3 times yet my kids will never remember seeing me drink a beer. or smoke a cigarette. after 7 years i am at THE highpoint of my life physically, financially, emotionally, everythingally. i am THISCLOSE to being 100% debt free. ive got a beautiful fiance, a beautiful home, and nothin but sunlight in my future:). you dont think i understand the value of personal achievement?? you think i would actually look down on it?? do you REALLY think anyone you label 'liberal' would look down on personal achievement?? if you really believe that grandys you are an arrogant person who thinks what you have done, what i have done, can ONLY be done the way you did it. that sir, is wrong. labels are wrong. try absorbing someones point of view rather than formulating your own response while still reading that point of view. good day. i said good day.

kaysbrew
Jun 22, 2011 at 9:33 a.m.
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Of course Democrats where the cause of the "trail of tears" and slavery and prolonging the Great Depression. Then as now, socialism fails. Just ask Greece
What more would you expect.

kaysbrew
Jun 22, 2011 at 9:29 a.m.
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Yea RED, where are the jobs? Wisconsin is below the Obama national average of 9.1% - and that average is much much higher with the black population.
Trickle down economics only works to give Reagan a LANDSLIDE victory in 1984. Bush 41 lost to Clinton only because of a split vote with Perot and was then ruled by a GOP congress for 6 of 8 years.
But it was Clinton who started giving home loans to people that couldn't afford it and Frank-Dodd that ate up Bush 43 and spit him out when he tried to blow some warning whistles.

AND THEN - Obama runs in 2008 as a Moderate. BULL-ogne......

Hope and Change poor, the misery index has never been higher and 1000 workers in S.C. are out of work now because Obama is dictating to private industry.

He is still in contempt of court on his drilling ban. Tell those workers why they are out of work.

PanamaRed
Jun 22, 2011 at 8:40 a.m.
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Oh, I get it Kaysbrew. Republicans want unemployed workers to use check fraud or theft as a means to provide for their family. Why not tell us the story about how you pulled yourself up, without any help from anyone, before you were arrested for check fraud. Who knows, your story may inspire others to commit fraud.
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Unemployment compensation does not allow individuals to live a life of luxury. It barely covers minimal expenses like rent or mortgage and food. Most people want more out of life and since unemployment compensation is temporary, they look for a job. The Republicans insisted their tax cuts which (in their OWN words), put more money in the hands of the wealthy, would create jobs. That sure describes “spoon feeding plantation politics”. Tell us Kaysbrew, where are the jobs?
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thekid is right, all that’s been trickling down from Republicans has been brown, not green.

kaysbrew
Jun 22, 2011 at 4:54 a.m.
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Too many liberals heads spinning! Still being Judge and Jury over me -I love liberals.

I have walked a mile, two/three miles in shoes of unemployment, forclosure. In those days I would buy something, write a check and bring that item back to the store knowing the check wouldn't cash for a day so I could have food on the table for my baby. Repeat the process until some money came in.
It's up to you to pull yourself up and get out of the Liberals spoon feeding plantation politics.
If it weren't for Reagan being President then, I wouldn't know the beauty of free market, less government and less regulations.

A powerful leader who doesn't apologize for American in any way shape or form.

Please tell those 600 workers why the EPA is dictating policy the Congress voted down.
Tell those 1000 workers in S.C. why the Obama's NLRB is putting them out of work because a PRIVATE company wanted to open a second plant in America and not overseas.

Tell John Kerry to stop hiding his yacht to avoid paying taxes if that's stealing from the poor. The richest people in Congress are liberals and they think they know best. Yet they do the least. The most harmful and destructive big government problems are Democrats who dismiss the Constitution.

thekid3477
Jun 22, 2011 at 12:03 a.m.
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panama...you know trickle down works why deny it?? ANYONE who has ever worked ANY job has seen how the trickle down works. of course its never green that trickles down...its always brown;)

PanamaRed
Jun 21, 2011 at 9:23 p.m.
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Conservatives like billnewbie claim the "Great Society" social safety net programs initiated by Democrats in the sixties to be abject failures. Why? Evidently because they are still needed. Those policies are directly responsible for helping millions of Americans improve their living standards. Rather than being a drain on society they have become contributing members of our society. What HAS been a proven failure time and time again, (What were you saying billnewbie about doing things over and over expecting different results?), are policies initiated by Republicans which consistently drain funding from social programs while generously providing welfare to the wealthy and expecting their largess to trickle down to the masses. Republicans are responsible for policies that created the two greatest economic depressions in our nations history including the current deficit which has crippled our ability to grow the economy. But they call the "Great Society" a failure and claim their economic policies are a success. Yes, its painfully obvious, Republicans continue to boast about how they are absolutely clueless and darn proud of it too.

billnewbie
Jun 21, 2011 at 6:10 p.m.
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The utter failure of President Johnson's 'Great Society" should have taught us that the idea of giving people money until the day they don't need it anymore guarantees that day will never come. Unemployment compensation was never intended to be open ended. It was only supposed to give you an income until you found a new job. Unfortunately, for many people, they wait until the money is about to run out before they get serious about finding a new job. That's human nature. Some folks claim that it is immoral to not extend benefits every time the subject comes up. If you are one of those then how long do you say unemployment compensation should last? It's 99 weeks now. That's nearly 2 years. Should it be 199 weeks? 299 weeks? When you entitle people to a benefit like that, don't you entrap them into dependance on government largess through their own complacency just as the "Great Society" did through welfare payments? The "Great Society' failed, not because its intentions were misguided, but because it ignores human nature. Extended unemployment is failing for the same reasons. How many times do we have to re-learn the same lesson? Remember that old quote we see so often in various forms, "insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results". We've tried paying people until they don't need it anymore with miserable results. Why do so many think that this time things will work out differently?

retiredfed
Jun 21, 2011 at 5:27 p.m.
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"There is class warfare and our side is winning." Warren Buffett 2004

thekid3477
Jun 21, 2011 at 4:57 p.m.
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'The liberals on here have no sense of personal achievement, in fact they look down on it'

where do you read this??

'It's not that Bachmann points it out, but facts are facts that Obama is failing - especially blacks'

kay, since youre never opposed to switching topics, lets talk about less govt. individual freedom. most pot smokers are white, yet most people arrested for possession are black. could you tell me if you agree with me that marijuana needs to be re-legalized and given as an option to all adults equal to alcohol??

analertcitizen
Jun 21, 2011 at 4:20 p.m.
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kaysbrew- You get more arrogant day by day. I am amazed at how you switch the topic over to teachers unions. Read the headlines of this article.It is about jobless people losing their unemployment benefits in the state of Wisconsin even though the Federal goverment is continuuing to assist. People have worked for many mnay years to accrue these benefits and are losing them. Can you imagine at least how hard that must be? I think you're cruel.

concernedperson
Jun 21, 2011 at 4:16 p.m.
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newintown30: Thanks for your comments. People really do need to stop complaining about others unless they have walked in their shoes and been unemployeed.

concernedperson
Jun 21, 2011 at 4:12 p.m.
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Kaysbrew: You have no idea how people suffer because you must be in the wealthy category. You have had enough people tell you "how it really is" on this comments section. Until you walk in the shoes of some of the unemployed (and there are going to be more unemployed), I think you need to take a reality check.

factsplease
Jun 21, 2011 at 3:42 p.m.
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Kaysbrew-How do the rich steal from the poor?
1) exorbitant fees for check cashing, short-term loans, late payments, etc.
2) hiding their money overseas so they don't have to pay their fair share of taxes (which provide the infrastructure and educated workforce they depend on)
3) not paying fair wages for labor

That's what I thought of in a few seconds, I'm sure there are millions of other ways.

newintown30
Jun 21, 2011 at 2:41 p.m.
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folks, for many looking for a job IS a full time job! having graduated from college in a VERY strong field in 2008, i know this all too well. we are conditioned while growing up...work hard, go to college, become a success story. this IS true, BUT there might come a time along your path where you need some help. thank goodness i had a family that would let me stay in their home for free after college graduation, or then what?! i did not find a job in my field for NINE long months. talk about making me feel inadequate and unsuccessful. if it weren't for helpful family and friends i wouldn't have made it. even after i got my job, my entire first year of employment i struggled BIG time, because naturally RIGHT when i found fulltime employment (which of course required me to relocate), i also aquired much higher rent than when in college (single female, early 20's, need to watch where I live when in a new city), and naturally, my 40K of student loan debt repayment kicked in RIGHT away. my first job out of college was NOT ideal. i was underpaid and worked long hours, but i was THANKFUL! it was a steady income, and it was a direct result of stimulus funding. over 40 people interviewed for my job, all well educated. who knows how many people applied, many had too much experience and didn't even get interviews. how sad for them! they were products of recent layoffs in a what was never before, but had become, a flooded market. their experience that should be an asset was a downfall. i continued my job search (but on a much smaller scale) once i acquired my first job. thankfully, i found a new job about 2 years after i had graduated college, again, i relocated and am much happier now. point is that while beggars cannot be choosers, even me, who WAS a beggar and took the first opportunity that came my way, had to wait 9 LONG months before i landed a career that wasnt even ideal. i looked for a job CONSTANTLY during that 9 months. i worked part time for a family run business, but i couldnt find other part time work because even part time people did not want to hire me if it was my intention to leave when i would find fulltime work in my field. stop judging the unemployed. for most it is NOT their choice, and definitely not something they are proud of.

kaysbrew
Jun 21, 2011 at 2:08 p.m.
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vatoloco
funny! I'll start paying closer attention to the site staff.

saxcat70
Jun 21, 2011 at 2:06 p.m.
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the work search part of ui benefits is also a joke. http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/dwd/forms/ui/eb...

less than five minutes, from your sofa, during commercials.

partarican1
Jun 21, 2011 at 1:34 p.m.
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kaysbrew-the majority of the people receiving UI benefits in Wisconsin have to look for work every week and must provide proof of work search before the benefits are released to the individual...the people who don't have to perform a work search are waived from doing so because their employer is fully intending to call them back to work. Either way many people still need help and it is not a hand out-they payed into the system for circumstances just like this one. While it is not perfect it is not welfare, because you have to pay in to get benefits-unlike welfare. This was a poor judgement call by the people in power, and it will come back to bite them in the @$$ in the future...

whzbng
Jun 21, 2011 at 1:21 p.m.
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The recession ended in June of 2009 according to the Obummer Admin. Why is unemployment still so high? The new normal, we are told. A recession is when your neighbor loses his job, a depression is when you lose your job, and a recovery is when Obama loses his job. (A take on Reagan)

kaysbrew
Jun 21, 2011 at 1:21 p.m.
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kid, you know the answer, why ask it.
Obamanomics. Hope and change poor.

It's not that Bachmann points it out, but facts are facts that Obama is failing - especially blacks.
http://atlantapost.com/2011/06/21/michel...

PanamaRed
Jun 21, 2011 at 1:20 p.m.
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The other day I heard a report that claimed there are thousands of jobs available in many parts of the nation but employers are finding it difficult to find potential employees with the necessary skills. There is work available but we have a shortage of properly trained workers. Here is a link to an article that appeared in Sunday’s Journal Sentinel. http://www.jsonline.com/business/1236946...
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The article describes how Bucyrus expanded their business and the fact that this expansion did not take place in Wisconsin, where the Headquarters and Main Plant is located, but in Texas. Why did Bucyrus expand in Texas and not Wisconsin? Was it because of better roadways? Lower taxes? Friendlier business climate? Nope, none of those reasons. The fact is, Bucyrus could not find the workers they needed with the type skills necessary to make the specialized equipment Bucyrus manufactures. They even went to MATC with a plan to create a specific program that would attract and train the workers and Bucyrus would hire them. That plan failed. So instead of gathering together business leaders and educators to devise programs that actually work, where workers are trained in the skills that businesses desire help them grow and prosper, Walker thinks it’s more important to build new roads. Walkers plan to expand the State’s economy and make it a place where Corporations want to come to do business starts with spending millions roads while cutting funds for education. Oh, and eliminating unemployment compensation will result in more hiring. Rewarding Corporate campaign contributors with state jobs and screwing the average worker are great Republican traditions.

thekid3477
Jun 21, 2011 at 1:15 p.m.
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yes kay. thats it exactly. or maybe if you read the story you could draw the line that those people out there struggling to SURVIVE are losing their LIFELINE to that survival because those who arent in that position deem those unemployed have had long enough. if the rich are creating so many jobs, why are so many unemployed?? i know your answer already to that and i dont expect you to actually answer any of these question marks anyays but how many people who are unemployed got a vote on whether to extend the benefits or not??

hellojvl
Jun 21, 2011 at 1:12 p.m.
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"Try this one for size, tell an employer you will work for $12.00 an hour and prove you are worth $20.00 an hour when the rubber meets the road."
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I was unemployed for two months at the beginning of the year and that is basically what I did. I received a job offer for quite a bit less than I had been making before, and less than my family needed to pay the bills. However, it was a well-respected company, in a growing industry, and the job paid a lot more than unemployment; so I took it. It only took me two months to show my new employer that I had skills and experience they needed...skills and experience that warranted a bigger paycheck and put me on track for a promotion.
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I don't know that this gamble would pay off for everyone, but sometimes it's worth the risk. There are employers out there that are willing to reward hard work and a job well done.

Maynard
Jun 21, 2011 at 1:11 p.m.
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SarahB1 ---- read my comment if you have not yet. Including the last part on the 18 hour days and 12 hour days and doing whatever it took to put food on the table to support myself, my wife, and my newborn daughter at the time. There was not the sense of endless entitlement at that time. It can be done. Tougher now but it can be done. The one poster also was quite accurate about the quality of candidates. Also, I have little sympathy towards those that say they can not make time to go to school to better themself while working. I got my associate, bachelor, and master degrees while working full time and raising a family. It was very tough but it was doable and that was without any government aid. Too many out there preferring to sit on the butt instead of busting their butt. There is a place for government assistance but it should be going to those truly in need and to those willing to help themself and not just draw an unemployment check or welfare check. I know a young lady who recently quit her job because she did not want to work and is now getting food stamps (and NOT a single mother ... just a single twenty something girl that does not want to work).

kaysbrew
Jun 21, 2011 at 1:07 p.m.
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How does the rich steal from poor??? paying taxes? charity contributions? running businesses and hiring? scholarships?

thekid3477
Jun 21, 2011 at 1:06 p.m.
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'The number 1 reason a lot of people can't get a good paying job they can't pass a drug test, that's a fact'

do you have proof of this 'fact' or are you just blowing test proof smoke?? i think i know;), but please post a link to prove me wrong.

also, please tell me, facts or opinions here are ok, which drug do you think the unemployed abuse more...legal or non legal drugs??

Shrek
Jun 21, 2011 at 1:05 p.m.
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The following companies are hiring right now, they are having trouble finding people.
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McDonalds
Taco Bell
Family Video
Wal Mart
Staples
Target
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I would have to agree that people aren't willing to take a lower paid job because they don't have to.

thekid3477
Jun 21, 2011 at 1 p.m.
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again the 90% who want to work but cant find jobs are grouped in with the 10% who want the free money.

this is just one way the rich steal from the poor

saxcat70
Jun 21, 2011 at 12:56 p.m.
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did that sarah, when i was 18. and at every job ive had (4 in 23 years), i worked my arse off to make sure the owner knew that I was the most versatile, dependable, and valuable person they had. I show up early every day, working 10-12 hours a day on salary, and make sure the job, every job, is done right. and yes, i know im arrogant, but I believe it takes some of that to motivate. My comments are not directed to offend anyone, they are just reflections of what I see.

kaysbrew
Jun 21, 2011 at 12:44 p.m.
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SarahB1, we can start to pull ourselves out of the recession/depression in November 2012. Repeal ObamaNoCare, get rid of job killing policies that his administration is causing.
EPA, NLRB, Interior Dept. - all job killers, just ask South Carolina.

saxcat70
Jun 21, 2011 at 11:28 a.m.
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with few exceptions,(as not to offend the few) you're right on the money big daddy. As "THE" HR dept in the small company I work for, here is how my hiring process usually works. I post a help wanted ad, asking for an e-mailed resume. (you saw my online ad, don't tell me you cant email me a resume. try the library). In less than a week i'll have over 100 resume's for a $10 job, but over 1/2 of them will be so poorly done that i pass them over. (It's called spell check folks, turn it on. when you type something, and the computer underlines it, something is amiss!) By looking at past work history (6 jobs in two years is not a good sign), related field work, etc, I narrow it down to 10-15. I call em in for interviews. 2 wont show up, 2 will be late, 4 will tell me "I've been looking for work for two years, and my UNEMPLOYMENT JUST RAN OUT (wink wink nod nod know what i mean know what i mean), 4 will lag so far behind during my walking tour that I know their not fast paced enough for my work, and most, if not all of those people don't have a license or a car. I am very proud of the crew I have, but it's been tough to assemble.

iht2209
Jun 21, 2011 at 11:08 a.m.
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bigdaddy2
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:57 a.m.
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Guys and Girls if you look you will find a good paying job. But some people want it the free way right Libs.
My son just Grad. from High School last week his bring home was 615.22 that's with 10 hours of over time. His choice and it is not a union shop so no union dues.
So if you get off that round thing behind you and find a job and stop bitch and listing to the union thugs you will be ok.
The number 1 reason a lot of people can't get a good paying job they can't pass a drug test, that's a fact. Go out and get your CDL you make good money some jobs your home every nite and you can make $40-50,000 a year.
Just remember if you go and apply for a job make sure your well bathed, cleaned clothes, and and you have not smoked pot for awhile. If you do drugs don't waste your time or there time.

tamrlu
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:49 a.m.
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You would if you went to school and became a teacher. I don't agree with everything the teachers do either, but really. The time thing has been a big gripe of mine for years. That said,how often do you work overtime with no compensation? Or, overtime by your estimation but not your boss's? Sometimes some of the comments on here are really silly

youkillme
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:46 a.m.
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I thought the left's sympathizers were compromising folks who like to discuss things and not run away? -------------------- No longer Vato loco. In Fitzwalkerstan we're following the leader and he says we are broke and there is nothing to compromise or negotiate. Attitude trickles down from the top.

kaysbrew
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:46 a.m.
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But let's be fair to the teachers - because only about 100 showed up after a big email push by the unions to get them out there.

It's all about the unions losing that forced payment of dues and they know they will lose close to 70% of the members.

Let's keep the teachers on the payroll with out union submit tactics and keep Wisconsin working.

kaysbrew
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:33 a.m.
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for the kids unless you have to work 30 extra minutes - because "they don't work for free"

FREE? I should have such free pensions and benefits

westorbust
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:32 a.m.
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I hate to break the news to the tea bagger republican'ts that hang out here, but Federal spending is reigned in by inflation, not revenue, which completely changes on how government can "afford" things. Of course it's much easier to paint a weepy "we can't afford it, so all social programs must go" kind of gut it all mentality that the Repubs are using to destroy anything they are ideologically opposed to and have conveniently adopted the current Tea Bagger platforms since their political careers depended on it.
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$12 an hour would be great for a lot of people and only exemplifies the absolute ignorance of Republican't thinking. Holding out for $20 an hour? good god, what planet do these people live on?
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Just for the record, I don't think endless unemployment extensions are a good thing, but we have a big problem. Companies are hiring, mostly for skilled workers with specific training. 30 years of pounding "you have to get a college degree to make a good living" into our children's heads, have made our workforce flabby, untalented and unresponsive to the kind of quick change that was needed in this situation. That is where, I believe, the stimulus money should have been spent, if it should have been spent at all.
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The fact is, that many businesses are sitting on decent amounts of cash. They are scared, and probably rightly so to some extent. Banks are sitting on billions of dollars. We aren't investing in ourselves, and the steps we are taking right now, by newly elected ulta-conservative elected officials, will set the clock back decades...but, you see, that's exactly, what....they...want. ;^)

youkillme
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:28 a.m.
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Vato loco, regardless of where ideas came from, sweat shop wages are becoming the right-wing path to prosperity. Why is China the fastest growing economy? Why have American business capitalists flooded these so-called Marxist and Communist countries? It's about cheap labor and cheap labor creates wealth.

KilgoreTrout
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:24 a.m.
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See: Jobs Journal,com 06.21/2011

KilgoreTrout
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:22 a.m.
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From a recent Nobel Prize winning study: "Generous UI benefits encourage the jobless to search longer for the ''right job'' while still remaining jobless, than be employed in ''any job,'' and results in higher unemployment rates (extended UI benefits extends the situation and prolongs recession)"

kaysbrew
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:17 a.m.
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http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/arti...

Those poor poor teachers in Green Bay, how dare the board ask them to work an 8 hour day.

Bye Bye collective bargaining and hello Teachers that will be professionals

kaysbrew
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:10 a.m.
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partarican1
why would anyone look for a job when the government pays you to sit on your butt and now pay for you mortgage.
seriously, the nanny state continues and the hand outs with taxpayer money for votes continues.

garyprimer
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:06 a.m.
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So, where are the jobs, Rep. Robin Vos?
Typical no-solution Republican thinking.
;-)

tamrlu
Jun 21, 2011 at 10:02 a.m.
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Grandy said: Try this one for size, tell an employer you will work for $12.00 an hour and prove you are worth $20.00 an hour when the rubber meets the road.
I will be attacked as being insensitive and not understanding the current plight of the unemployed. Welcome to the real world of living within your means, and standing on your own value.
PS: I still pay taxes as do every other working person, those taxes pay your unemployement.

The people on unemployment pay taxes too. Fact check there for you. Also, did you not read the post from wisnham? It doesn't matter that you will take any job, but are turned down because of age, sex, color, etc and it is legal because you are overqualified? If your credentials mattered to you, you wouldn't be applying at most of the places you do. You have to feed and house your family, so you apply everywhere. Living within the means, hmm, when there is nothing coming in, what are they to do? Slamming those less fortunate than you is really a shame. They are human beings, and as such have worth. Shame on the high and mighty, pompous attitudes. Not everyone can find work, that is their fault?! Get real

partarican1
Jun 21, 2011 at 10 a.m.
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kaysbrew-really? glad you have such a good grasp on the hardships of the poor...spend much time without your foot in your mouth? This isn't about left and right politics...it's about basic human need and there are many humans in need right now. This is a swift kick to the groin of people already down on their luck. I have little to give, but am happy to help people(fellow human beings) in need; this is what community is all about. What makes you so much better than the people who need this? Nothing, I'd wager....

Maynard
Jun 21, 2011 at 9:56 a.m.
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Brontosaurus: Agree with your assessment. The system needs to be modified instead of continuous extensions. Maybe require low paying employment to get an extension and then supplement that with $5 per hour unemployment instead of paying the full $9. Same with people collecting welfare. Need to give them some help to be able to pay for childcare and gas. Otherwise, economic decision is easy. If you are going to lose money by going to work, many can literally not afford to go to work. Do not have an answer for higher skilled older unemployed but do understand their issue. A prospective employer believes that as soon as things pick up and a better offer comes along, they will lose that worker because of their skills, education, etc. So why put training expense into such a person. That all said: I spent 18 months laid off from a good job many years ago and never did use up my 26 weeks of unemployment. How? I worked 18 hour days driving combine for Libby's, I worked 12 hour days working for a seed corn company, I worked for a farmer cleaning barns and making hay. I was not going to take a chance on having my unemployment run out so did what it took. Would like to see more of that also.

youkillme
Jun 21, 2011 at 9:54 a.m.
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"Does Cuba or China sound good to you? You can leave whenever you want if you do not like this country." ------------------- Actually Vato loco, my statement is in clear opposition to third world wages. But China and Cuba sounds good to you if you promote the race to bottom for sweat shop wages. Don't wait for it to happen here, you're free to leave anytime for those countries that already have it.

kaysbrew
Jun 21, 2011 at 9:49 a.m.
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But the liberals want people to stay poor and needy with their hands out. Don't you get it?
If they actually got off welfare or start to work for themselves, then who would be left to vote for liberals?

It's called plantation politics

RetiredAirForce
Jun 21, 2011 at 9:42 a.m.
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" It is not something that has to be paid back RetiredAirForce It is to help the ones that are unemployed and apparently you are as walker against the ones that are in this spot without a job. "
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Wow, another uniformed person that votes. All current unemployment extensions are funded with deficit dollars; borrowed dollars that needs to be paid back by taxpayers.

carlitosway
Jun 21, 2011 at 9:29 a.m.
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Walker is a jerk and just wants to see people fall He needs to be gone and the people will have their say come 2012. For the state headed by a guy that is a self serving corrupt IDIOT is discusting and If you support this guy you are no different. The people he is against is EVERYONE BUT HIS RICH CORRUPT SIDEKICKS and they will be gone along with all the GOP in this state. The loss of JOBS in this state will only get worse with Walker in office and if people cannot see it, they need to OPEN THEIR EYES. It is not something that has to be paid back RetiredAirForce It is to help the ones that are unemployed and apparently you are as walker against the ones that are in this spot without a job. Homeless shelters will have to be built. to continue dictating this state the state will be supporting prisons that will be over crowded as the ones he is targeting, Will Do WHATEVER IT TAKES TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILY.

RetiredAirForce
Jun 21, 2011 at 9:27 a.m.
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" tactic to starve the poor or make them buckle under to sweat shop wages"
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LOL, you could always give them all your money.

Brauntosaurus
Jun 21, 2011 at 9:20 a.m.
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I can see both sides. It really is hard for some people to find jobs (especially the 50+ age bracket). At the same time, we don't have money to fund unemployment indefinitely.

Would be nice to have a real conversation about this issue rather than just vilifying either side. I guess that is what political discourse has come down to in Wisconsin, though.

youkillme
Jun 21, 2011 at 9:15 a.m.
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This tactic to starve the poor or make them buckle under to sweat shop wages here in America is a right-wing inspired economic class war version of ethnic cleansing evil countries incorporate to remove an unwanted civilian population. Bring us your tired, sick and poor..... uhh, on second thought don't. Don't mistake Fitzwalkerstan for the America you once knew.

kaysbrew
Jun 21, 2011 at 9 a.m.
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Rep. Robin Vos (R-Rochester), co-chairman of the Joint Finance Committee, said he thinks the federally funded extended benefits give laid-off workers an incentive to avoid jobs that pay less than their old jobs and to keep looking for better work. That could have an indirect effect on the health of the state's jobless fund, which is already deeply in debt to the federal government, Vos said.

"I believe there's an indirect impact," Vos said. " . . . People might not take a $12-an-hour job because they want one that makes $20."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepoliti...

don't you love the bias AP?

frozenskeeter
Jun 21, 2011 at 8:54 a.m.
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"$12-an-hour job because they want one that makes $20." I know a lot of people that would jump at $12/hour. Unemployment is only at $9 for a 40 hour week, and that doesn't include the taxes that need to be taken out. Without the benefits, even more homes will be lost and more lives wrecked. Just what WI needs right now.

LibertyBelle
Jun 21, 2011 at 8:54 a.m.
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Unemployment benefits were suppose to be short term assistance- not long term welfare.

RetiredAirForce
Jun 21, 2011 at 8:38 a.m.
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"That means they took 89 million dollars out of circulation."
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Tom what is the actual cost of paying back 89 million in borrowed dollars? Now think what impact that has on the economy.

RetiredAirForce
Jun 21, 2011 at 8:36 a.m.
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"Rep. Robin Vos, the co-chairman of the Joint Finance Committee, is among legislators who think extending unemployment benefits give those without a job a reason not to take low-paying work."
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Hmmm, I wonder why this AP version of an article written by another news source changed the words of his actual statement? "I believe there's an indirect impact," Vos said. " . . . People might not take a $12-an-hour job because they want one that makes $20."

wlsnham62
Jun 21, 2011 at 8:27 a.m.
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Rep. Robin Vos is wrong with thinking like that. I am one of those unemployed and have been for the past two years. I have applied for almost every job out there and I get told I am over qualified, or they look at my credit and say oh she is high risk for employment, and I also hold a degree, and that hasn't gotten me anywhere. So before you cast judgment on the unemployed, you need to check things out first. come and live a day in the life of an unemployed person with a family to feed and take care of and worry about a house mortgage before you cast judgment. The people who are unemployed are no different than you except the fact they just don't have a cush job.

tom3205
Jun 21, 2011 at 8:25 a.m.
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That means they took 89 million dollars out of circulation. 89 mil. would have been SPENT on "stuff", depleting those inventories, which would require REPLENISHMENT, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE HIRING PEOPLE...

justmy414
Jun 21, 2011 at 8:23 a.m.
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We must encourage people to take low paying jobs in Wisconsin. That is the goal of the Walker administration, attract businesses by promoting cheap labor. Next on the chopping block by Fitzwalkerstan, lower the minimum wage.

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