Great post Janesvillian. You and I don't always agree but I certainly agree with your post today:

"It takes a special level of inhumanity to advocate the death penalty for crossing a border."

NVgrf: Keep reading between the lines all you want. I don't care if a person is mexican.german,asian or any other nationality as long as they are here LEGALLY! It is the ILLEGAL ALIENS that I have a problem with. Like I said before those who cry racist the loudest are the biggest racist, so look in the mirror before you start calling someone names.

Is there a system in place to know whether a person is here legally or not? Does the border service share information with local law enforcement; especially non-border State law enforcement?

kkrrjj: no

Just a question - Don't you have to show a Birth Certificate to get a drivers license?
If so, every traffic stop is checked for ID.... Simple solution

mooshoo: or whoever you two are, I take you up on that bet and bet you're wrong about his picture... just like your comments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_imm...
This says there are 11 million illegal immigrants in the country. How about we find a way to legalize them. Want to send them back? How and at what cost? Do you want be on the people with guns forcing them onto boxcars heading south? Because imho that's what a lot of the discussion is about.

Its about time.. Lets go republicans! I'm with you "again" on this one..

Man, oh man.. If you thought the things in Wisconsin got tense during the Union Panic after Gov Walker kept his campaign promise, & went after Collective bargaining Rights.. then you ain't seen nothing yet! Every lobbyist for illegal Immigration will be all over the place having kittens on the side walk.. up in arms that Wisconsin Citizens would dare enforce our immigration policies (finally), & stop letting the illegal population continue to abuse, & use up what little funds we have left for our legal citizens who are struggling to make ends meet.

And if you believe Illegals don't get welfare, just go to the online application at access.wisconsin.gov, & read what it says on the application where it asks about your, "race, & legal status here in the United States." Its pretty clear on that form that your answer to your legal status won't have any affect to whether or not your eligible for services. So heck yes.. We need an AZ type law, so they'll go someplace else. Preferably, back to their country of origin. Or.. here's an idea. Try & become legal, like all the other legal immigrants.

It is fairly apparent that this immigration problem is going to take a while to solve.
It is fairly apparent that some people are going to be very unhappy no matter what is done.
Maybe it is time to put aside the fear, the racism, the flag waving, the bible thumping, and the partisan petty bickering and come up with a practical solution that, though not perfect, treats fellow humans with respect and fairness and then let the chips fall where they may.

MooShoo- I don't believe so. I have talked to local law enforcement about Hispanic illegals and they usually let them go because it takes to much to do the paperwork to deport them. unless they have done something extremely wrong they just get released. If we leave it up to them they will not do anything. We have a problem in WI with unemployment and everyone is pointing fingers and looking for solutions. This is just the latest attempt at opening up positions for tax paying citizens. The other option would be to offer amnesty and get these people paying taxes. I am not a politician and do not want to be now that every decision gets attacked by one group or another. The way things are now do not work so we need change and no one wants to change. Its a hard time for all. We need to find a common ground and start there.

Johnny.....You label this guy a Mexican. (I How do you know he wasn't an American? Then you ask about his green card. BOTTOM LINE: You are a RACIST! Grow up and take ownership of your bigotry at least! Be a man!! You said, "I was just in AZ this last spring and was almost hit while I was walking by a mexican, after a few words were exchanged he threatened to call the cops on me, I asked him if he wanted to use my phone but just make sure that he has his green card with him"

I have read this story many times and have yet to see where it says they are targeting any specific nationality. As far as I know, in the US, the Hispanic population of illegals make up less than 50% of the total number of illegals. The only ones that should be checking if they are racist are the ones that immediately thought this was an attack on illegal Hispanics. The fact is that if they check every car pulled over for citizenship then it is not racist, it would be policy. Illegal is illegal. How hard is it to understand?

"This bill is RACIST, period"
I'll take it you are a rich republican farmer??

"fearuradummy" it's people like you crying the "RACE" card that are the idiots ... if you don't like a law call them a racist ...

Does this bill target farm workers or people in the country illegal.. que pasa?

Racist ? Give me a break, Why would it bother you if you were legally here ?

Even your all mighty obama says he'll do something about illegals and our borders now that it's time to collect those votes ...

johhnyreb-you did assume that man was here illegally based on stereotypes. Many LEGAL immigrants can barely speak English and you must have superpowers if you can tell if someone has insurance by looking at their vehicle. When I drove a junker, I didn't have collision but I certainly had liability coverage and I can't figure out how you would know that by looking.

And I thought I was a liberal, but I guess not if I have to meet the criteria on Gagzette's plagiarized list! Thanks for clarifying that for me. ;)

NVgrf: I reread my post and read it to some other people. Funny how YOU are the only one reading any racist overtones in my comment is you. I stand behind what I said. Like I also said I do not have a problem with LEGAL IMMIGRANTS what I do have a problem with is ILLEGAL ALIENS regardless of race, color or creed. If people want to come to this country they need to do it LEGALLY!

More stupid legislation from the bigots in power.

And Gagzette...When you blatantly copy something, you might consider crediting the source. That's what got Scott Walker in trouble at Marquette.

Johnny...if you are indeed not a racist, you might consider not writing things that are clearly racist. Re-read your post and see if you don't agree.

Let's see ... last time I was pulled over in my car they asked me for my identification, they even wanted to se the papers for my car ... go figure ... oh and i'm "white" and my car was "grabber orange"

WAYS TO BE A GOOD LIBERAL

1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on
demand.

2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and
governments create prosperity.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands
of Iran or Chinese and North Korean communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms
driving SUV's.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial, but being
homosexual is natural.

7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of
federal funding.

8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach
4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids
about s e x.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but PETA
activists do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than
actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution.

12. You have to believe the ACLU is good because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too
high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are
more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee, and Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not.

16. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in
charge.

17. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag queens
and transvestites should be constitutionally protected, and manger
scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

18. You have to believe that a government that can't run a postal service, Social Security, Medicare, Public Education, Cash-For-Clunkers efficiently will be able to manage the health care of 350 million people.

GOD BLESS AMERICA

Oops, can't do that either

okie i dont see where anyone has said illegals should 'be accepted here with open arms'. there is a HUGE difference between welcoming them with open arms and asking them for identification. nevermind the fact that you just compared human beings to stray cats/dogs:(

Simply put - If someone's not here legally - Get Out! It doesn't have anything to do with anything else. Legislation to tighen the laws of citizenship & immigration needed to be put in place YEARS ago.

you cant fix a leak by mopping up the water. im w okie, bring the troops home and secure the border. prosecute, to the fullest extent, anyone who hires an illegal, but to ask for identification based on race?? we are not, or certainly should not condone any type of racism in this country and you can spin it all you want but that IS racism. what happens to the legal hispanic(that all of you say you have no prob with)when he leaves his wallet in the truck, or at home, when asked to show id?? would you all have no problem with the legal hispanic being treated as an illegal for the greater good?? i was born in east l.a. man....

NVgrf: Do you know me personally???? I don't think so. I also have worked with several latinos who are hard working people and very nice people, and guess what they are here LEGALLY! Do I have a problem with them? No I do not. And Guess what what else, they have a problem with illegal aliens also because they are giving the legal immigrants a bad name! So you better get to know someone before you start labeling them a racist! People who scream racist the loudest are usually the biggest racist there are!

I get a kick out of the people who hide behind the RACE card, calling it racism. Why don't we just let everyone in the world come to the good ole US of A illegally and take over the job market ... see who cries then. I don't think i've read yet on how "they" will take the low paying jobs, the jobs noone else will take or any of that other lib junk ....

johnny....A lot of racism evident in your story. I work there daily. You might want to get to know a few of the local Latinos before you stereotype an entire group based upon one experience.

poobah: maybe it was because he could hardly speak ENGLISH, drove a piece of junk pick-up that I'm pretty sure he didn't have insurance on, illegal aliens are running ramped in that area committing crimes which I know of first hand having relatives living in that area. If they are here "LEGALLY" then they shouldn't have a problem with proving it. If I apply and get hired for a job I have to show that I can legally work in this country even though I was born here. Do I have a problem with that? No I do not.

Or who they are.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...

johnnyreb6977 said, "I asked him if he wanted to use my phone but just make sure that he has his green card with him."
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What made you even question his citizenship status? Of course, if his name were Johnny Reb I doubt anyone would question his citizenship.

Just so you understand how they work.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...

You know that the AZ law was written by the private prison industry in conjunction with ALEC. Then sold to AZ legislature.

NVgrf: I was just in AZ this last spring and was almost hit while I was walking by a mexican, after a few words were exchanged he threatened to call the cops on me, I asked him if he wanted to use my phone but just make sure that he has his green card with him. Low and behold as soon as I said that he took off like a bat out of hell. Yet another reason that I am for this bill and back AZ's law!

OkieFed said, "I feel we should have snipers at post on the Mexican border, with orders to shoot anyone approaching the a fence within 50 yrds. (except at legal crossings were we can realistically control the flow)."
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OkieFed, all I can imagine are bronze plaques on all of your execution towers that are engraved with the following:

Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

When a women takes a pregnacy test and it's positive. What does she call and tell her family and friends she is pregnant with? A baby or a cell?

I think this really shows how we are all murderers. ADMIT IT YOU SUPPORT MURDER. The left will kill their own kid before they give birth, and the right will kill the person after they were born. By the way can someone who is pro choice tell me what your kids choice was? Oh wait you didn't let them have one.... :)

But dkush21, there is no political value in enforcing existing laws. The greatest return on investment for these crackpot legislators is to dream up new laws that duplicate existing laws, with no intention of them actually solving the problem. The value of new, duplicate laws lies in the idiot politicians being able to rally their ignorant supporters with a bunch of fear and rhetoric.

About time !!!!

As someone who works in Arizona, I can tell you that this is indeed the "Too Brown To Breath" law. Latinos are constantly stopped on the most minute of pretense in order to check for proper ID. Profiling is the norm in this backasswards state. I would like to think that Wisconsin would be above this 1930's Germany tactic.

It takes a special level of inhumanity to advocate the death penalty for crossing a border.

We do not need new laws. We just need to enforce the laws we already have. Same thing with Medicare, BadgerCare, social security, etc. Instead of removing these services, we need to buckle down on who is getting these services that don't deserve them, so that the people who really need the services can get them.

OkieFed, the reason people continue to cross the border is because American businessmen are hiring them. If you are in favor of executing these people while attempting to cross the border illegally, I would like to know if you are also in favor of summarily executing any American who hires an illegal immigrant. Without trial, of course.

America has plunged into a 14.5 Trillion dollar deficit and is seemingly on the edge of a devastating future, unless we start not only combating illegal immigration that we can no longer subsidize or we become a peons of China and other countries that own our debt. We have little we can do about the illegal immigration until the US government honors its commitment to defend our borders. Congress must implement E-Verify as a mandated business policing problem. And every individual who is arrested must be fingerprinted according to the "Secure Communities" program and forwarded to ICE.

It’s regrettable we don’t follow the same laws as countries in Europe, which is using a “Points-System” for legal immigration. Offering entry visas to the extremely skilled people with profession knowledge in their specialized occupation, as they will not end up in the welfare offices? Many of these people live under primitive circumstances, so saving their wages; sending according to a banking report 46 billion dollars out of America. Every day, the US grows inferior because our senators and congressmen, and corporations, are aiding and abetting, encouraging illegal alien migration into our country. A recent statistic by Visa banking card confirmed wire transfers to Mexico last year reached $40 billion, to South America 25 billion and the Orient 15 Billion dollars in wire transfers.

The 1986 Amnesty cost taxpayers 76 billion dollars. A new immigration reorganization package will outlay an astronomical figure, which comes out your pockets. Even scarier is supporting the illegal alien household that has already settled here? Some say 12 million, but most non-profit sovereignty groups say it’s over 20 million and counting? Can we afford subsidizing the farming community anymore, as they pay nothing in benefits and small living wage? No health care and we pay their children's schooling. Temporary Guest Worker programs are rampant with deceit, as all special visas for hires. It unquestionably makes no logical sense when 15 million Americans cannot find a job? We just cannot be the emergency room care or education privileges for the rest of humankind, anymore. Another major issue is foreigners voting in only-for-citizens election. This is no longer an isolated issue and States nationwide, need to enact stringent rules that includes showing picture ID to prove they are legally able to vote? Join the Tea Party and also ply your representatives in Washington, State or even local level for answers?

Contact them at Senate—202-224–3121/ House—202-225–3121.

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I watched a meeting of the Cato Institute on C-Span, which slurred Bloggers like me, saying that illegal workers were an economical benefit to America? Frank Sherry should be asked about Earned Income tax credit and try to deny it?

The Liberal wing of Democrats are trying to drive a wedge between Hispanics and the General population, But the plain fact is that there are millions of legalized and multi-generations of Hispanic citizens, who wish to disassociate themselves from South of the border. Equally abhorrent are overstays recognized to be 40 percent of the illegal occupation. If Mexico and other countries has a way of tracking arrivals through ports of entry, by plane, ship or even over the Canadian border, why is this not implemented by Homeland Security and ICE? Hispanic and honest legalized immigrants are cordially welcome to join the TEA PARTY.

It’s more important than ever to join the PEOPLES party, the TEA PARTY. The Tea Party is for all legal Americans, naturalized citizens and those holding green cards. Offend or please! Americans must dissolve the power mongers influence and open border nuts in Washington. The monolithic Tea Party will vote them out in the next election, or we will continue the US path of financial disintegration. This un-American movement will not be tolerated, and should never be ratified without a national referendum. Our country is a nation of laws, especially when it comes to integration of other countries. Currently the Democrats desire to force on—ALL—the American peoples a new Amnesty, cloaked in Immigration Reform. Indirectly the Dream Act would have the same purpose, allowing these Students to sponsor family members. Chain Migration is already accelerating and costing Americans billions of dollars a year. Sanctuary states are another enigma, which is about sheltering foreign nationals which is California's and Nevada's cross to bare.

westorbust; a non-problem you say; obviously you have not opened your eyes lately or looked at the costs of your local food and medical agencies.

ARE WE REALLY THAT STUPID?

Strange that those Georgia farmers are not saying that when an illegal worker falls sick; he transports him/her to the emergency room? This could be the same crisis that would hit Utah, if the Guest Worker program materialized in the Mormon State? That means his liability to the sick/injured Guest Worker is void and becomes the financial burden of the US taxpayer whilst the hospital passes on the fee. Then we have the children of the agricultural workers who taxpayers are forced by the judiciary to support their education. Then under the 14th amendment a female when a baby is born becomes an instant citizen collecting cash payments, food stamps low income housing and free natal care. All this cost is assumed from your taxes and is in the hundreds of billions a year. Outside of farm workers are the economic illegal aliens who come here to have their babies, and place an unimaginable strain on our schooling system. But this is just part of the layers upon layers of foreigners, who are indirectly stealing tax payer’s money.

Another great fraudulent game is illegal nationals, paying nothing into the tax system, but collecting up to $5,600 dollars per household. More than one in four immigrant households received the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) in 2009—nearly twice the 13.2 percent rate of households headed by Native Americans. And since immigrant households are larger (primarily because of higher fertility rate), their EITC payments are larger than those received by citizens and naturalized citizen households. “The Earned Income Tax Credit and Illegal Immigration: A Study in Fraud, Abuse, and Liberal Activism”, by financial analyst and economist Edwin Rubenstein. This is not a myth, but fact about the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) is the largest anti-poverty program in the United States, which is the “most illegal-immigrant friendly," explains Edwin Rubenstein, author of the new report."

In 2007, more than 23 million households received more than $47 billion in the EITC payments." He Rubenstein said “between one-quarter to one-third of all EITC claims are 'improperly paid' according to the General Accounting Office. The EITC - like most of the tax code, operates on the honor system. The U.S. Congress allows and supports one of the most fraudulent taxpayer misuse schemes ever conceived within the Federal Government. It’s time the administration eradicated this program, allowing millions of aliens who to entered American soil, while draining billions out of the United States Treasury. Tax relief" goes to people who never paid a cent in taxes, and may have already defrauded the government of huge sums each year. Bring this abuse to the attention of your Federal, State politicians about this fraud which illegal aliens are stealing from you. Expenditures of more than $55 billion per year, is a combination of EITC spending that is associated with traditional welfare programs.

http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/imm...

This is a good thing. I hope it goes thru.

Pass this law - The illegals are getting free benefits from the state because their children are born here. This is unfair when there are plenty of people from our country who are legal who could really use this help and cannot get it because there is enough. You should not be able to get any type of free assistance like healthcare or food share unless you are a legal citizin of this country.

Just let them all in illegally so the Dems can provide health care, welfare, food stamps, subsidized housing, etc. because that certainly wouldn't be near the "waste of tax money" that this or a similar bill would cost.

justonepost, you make too much sense for the Republicans to use your idea. We have laws on the books to deal with this already. Why don't the Republicans in charge of the states use them? It's quite simple. Their business buddies love using the cheap labor provided by illegal immigrants. Much of this country has been built on the backs of illegal immigrants from not only Mexico but many other countries as well. Republicans are all too happy to forget those contributions and instead rile up their bases with this hateful rhetoric. If this idiot legislator has some problem with the enforcement of existing law then let him take that up with the appropriate authorities. This has nothing to do with trying to find a solution -- it is only another attempt to whip the ignorant followers of these idiot legislators into a pre-election frenzy.
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Thanks for your reasoned comment, justonepost.

Again, people allegedly on the Left who would rather do nothing and then complain because nothing is being done.

This is simple.
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If you have police contact and it is discovered that you are illegally in this country you get sent back...case closed.
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There shouldn't be extra steps...if during normal police contact they figure out that you are illegal they figure it out. Then, you get sent back.
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amazing...new story...differnt type of hate...same people spewing hate...right grandys?
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pass it, in some form. we have laws regarding immigration and citizenship. If you can't follow/enforce them, you have no way of preparing for the population.

ALEC does not lobby therefore they do not have to register or disclose where the money comes from. They just write legislation they want to see enacted then sell it to Republican controlled legislatures throughout the land.

JoyM said, "Poobah, it's not just middle-aged white males who are sick and tired of paying taxes to educate and medically treat people WHO ARE NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE..."
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JoyM, have you been paying attention to what has been happening with funding cuts in Wisconsin under Walker? Republicans are sick and tired of paying taxes to educate and medically treat people WHO ARE CITIZENS AND ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE... So what's the difference? The non-citizen bit is just another front for the conservative greed and unwillingness to help those less fortunate than themselves.

How about something that makes more sense. If you are arrested, the authorities submit the information to INS for immigration status. Make this mandatory for everyone that is arrested.

Poobah, it's not just middle-aged white males who are sick and tired of paying taxes to educate and medically treat people WHO ARE NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, or paying higher uninsured/underinsured insurance premiums because the unlicensed driver also doesn't follow the law about insurance.

I take it that all the liberals think it is ok to be an illegal alien and have all the same rights as law abiding legal citizens.

Another "Wisconsin" bill brought to you by ALEC the American Legislative Exchange Council. A right wing non-lobby group that drives their agenda through state legislatures. http://scholarcitizen.williamcronon.net/...
See if you can find out who they are without spending any money.
http://www.alec.org/

Pass it. Then punish the employers of illegals.

It's about time!

Im all for it. Its pretty bad when you know 2 different people involved in car accidents where an illegal hit them.
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If you have an accent and dont have a license... you should be questioned. If you have a valid DL I dont see why an officer would question you. This is something we should have always done. Cops are there to question....questions dont hurt anyone either. If people get offended that easily... stay home.

This from the party that claims that government is to intrusive in our lives. Why not establish check points and have everyone show their papers. And while your at it, rename USA to USSR!!!

Why doesn't it surprise me that this bill is being proposed by a white, middle-aged, Republican male?

yeah, i have a great idea, audit the work places. Find the people hiring them and fine them, heavily, very heavily, put them out of business so they have to go under and someone else can buy up their stuff cheap and run it with american workers.
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and I also have a huge problem with it. Read your constitution. There's a reason it hasn't been made law into any state so far. Read up, you might figure it out.

I hope this bill passes. If people want to come to this country to try to better themselves I don't have a problem with that, as long as they do it legally. What I do have a problem with is the illegal aliens that think that they deserve the rights and privledges of a US citizen. I also have a problem with people coming to this country to and don't have to pay taxes for 7 years. If they work they need to pay their fair share!

But we can pass anything here, because we have repub control on everything and the repubs refuse to take public opinion into consideration. If they want it they get it, regardless of who it hurts, what it costs, or how offensive it is. This is a perfect fit with thier other Walker initiatives. First, give tax breaks to companies so you can claim a "budget crisis" then get rid of collective bargaining so those unions can't ask for decent wages, then advance a voter suppression bill to provent "those who will not vote for you" from voting. Then engage in systematic harassment of all "non white" people so that only the desired residents stay in the state. People laughed and mocked the left when we compared his first moves to Hitler. Still laughing?

So does anybody have any better idea? If you are here legally it shouldn't bother you to show proof. If you are here illegally you should be sent back to whatever country you came from. If I have to follow laws people who want to come to this country should follow the laws to come here legally. Hope this law passes!!!!!!!!

Does this mean I have to carry around my birth certificate for this too? (notarized birhter long form with special approval from Waukesha Co. on water mark paper of course)

come on, seriously???? Papers!, show me your papers
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here's the deal, illegal's wouldn't be here if people didn't hire them to work. Don't blame the gov't, don't blame the state, blame the people hiring them. They're probably your neighbors.
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They want child care... cheap, they want homes built...cheap, grass cut...cheap, we want cheap meat, so hire cheap workers to give it to us, cheap produce, hire cheap workers to pick it.
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let's get some legislation to get some arm bands on people that haven't paid all their taxes too, I want to identify them when walking down the street. Businesses too, they should have to put a star out in their windows too, so I know what kind of person i'm buying from.

As an Canadian national living illegally in the U.S., I'm glad that bills like this smack of racism -- no cop will ever ask me what my resident status is all aboot.

Yep we shouldn't even have boarders, what a waste of time and money...

A quick survey of all the states that tried to pass Arizona like legislation shows that none of them could. Another bill for a non-problem. What a waste of time, waste of governmental power, and a supreme waste of tax payer money.