Zoom did you miss the part that said "Wisconsin" on the ID requirement? The previous story was about three out of state party workers who registered to vote with no intension of staying here. Had the new rules been in place they would have needed a current Wisconsin ID, which is the issue.

Once they voted, their votes cannot be removed from the totals; a big problem. Stopping fraud BEFORE it happens is the goal not trying to punish after it done. After the vote is cast it cannot be uncast, this disenfranchises all voters.

RAF, under the new voter ID law, a picture ID does NOT have to have your current address. The new law won't prevent someone from registering to vote in exactly the same way, if they use their real names.
http://gab.wi.gov/taxonomy/term/135

The voter ID law wasn't in place during the April 5 election. Those three people were still caught. Just more proof that the voter ID law isn't required.

Red you are so S_L_O_W. Voter ID is exactly what would have stopped these 3 supposed voters from ever casting a ballot. Unless you think their ID's really had the address of their hotel room on it.

Were the 3 people caught because of the voter ID law RAF? Your comment is a great example of fear mongering. The voter ID law will not prevent voter fraud RAF even after spending $2 million to enact and enforce the law. You were gullible enough to fall for the sham put forth by the GOP.

The OWSDEM parade thinks things like this should continue....

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/t...

If u can't win fair and square, change the rules during the game Scooter!

And, apparently, scared ones at that.

Why would it anger them to allow tech students to use their ID's?

Love the headline here - "GOP Strikes Back". Kind of like "The Empire Strikes Back" with the GOP being the evil empire. Oh - they are.

As I recall the last elections totaled about 4 voter frauds. Very low odds considering how many voted. This law along with the voting boundries( that were declared illegal by the way)and many other things this govnor and his cronnies have done is exactly the reason for his recall. They are already running scared and have to resort to more tricks. Do you want us to hire some troublemakers and mix them in amongst the protestors? has not been forgotten by many. I suspect they will all pay for it with their jobs, as we would in the private sector.

gpawcat, the Wisconsin residency requirement to vote is 28 consecutive days. The Wisconsin voter ID law would in no way prevent someone from voting absentee in another state. Besides, that's a felony. How many people are really willing to risk commiting a felony?

Every time a vote related article comes up, I have to ask the question: Where is the proof of all the voting fraud this law is supposed to prevent?

grandys618, the is no "voter ID card". You have to get a state ID card or Wisconsin drivers license. If you currently have neither, you must provide a birth certificate and proof of residency at the DMV, just to get a photo ID. More steps and cost to "fix" a non-existant problem.

wislady wrote: "Maybe the tough part of getting a voter id is the fact that you have to actually prove you LIVE in Wisconsin. Is that why they oppose this law?"

Anyone who registers to vote has to prove residency. What's your point?

These Republicans are so arrogant that it boggles my mind. Putting up barriers to be an
active voter is shameful. Young voters should be encouraged to vote at all costs.

You never saw such a crowd of people terrified of letting people vote. I wonder why?

Mouse, I doubt Fitz is going to be able to get Cain and Bachmann on a conference call after Michele's latest campaign video in which she attacks her Republican presidential candidate competitors for being liberals, global warming proponents, defense doves and just plain stupid. This is ONE GREAT WATCH. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...

usaeret- We realize that no one is being denied the right to vote. What is being said is that the Republican bill makes it more difficult. We all know their hope is that they gain about 2 percentage points in their efforts to keep people away from the polls. I think this time they may be surprised at how driven people are. Have you checked the polls lately?

Several comments here have asked why you don't help those who you believe are being denied their voting privileges because of being old, elderly, disabled and all they come back with is nothing except repeating the same old BS. Nobody is being denied the right to vote. If you want to vote you will take the actions needed to insure your able to vote. Many people who can't get to the polls to vote will vote absentee. Please prove how anyone is being denied the right to vote. Half the people in this state as well as the country don't vote so how were they denied the right to vote? Get something new to complain about because this argument you have is wearing pretty thin. Also, some of you must think that only those on the Left will be denied the right to vote. Why is that?

"First, not a single DMV office is open after 5 p.m. or on weekends. "
true about weekends but almost all are open till 5:30 on Thursdays.
Tragic how the poor oppressed masses can't get in to the DMV to get a drivers licence without taking time off from work. Perhaps now that collective bargaining is out we can get some of these Govt employees to work second shift. I know you all will support it so the disadvantaged can get their ID.

So why are technical colleges not classified as colleges? The GAB acknowledged that they didn't read the state constitution correctly when they changed their vote and made a unanimous decision which allowed tech college ID's to be used for voting. Pretty soon, a person who is immobile in a nursing home with very little money will need to get on the bus (if the community they live in has buses) and go to a DMV (50-100 miles away in some places) and get their FREE state ID. Oh wait, the Republicans already made that happen. I forgot that the Republicans don't want old people to vote. The reason is that people get wiser with age!

Things like this is why Walker needs to be recalled changing the rules. If you live with someone and all the bills come to another name you can not prove you live there and they wibt give you a voter ID. It is not a walk in and get it got to prove you live at that address. His changing the rules to benefit replublicans if fraud in itself.

“Why do you want to treat tech college students as second-class citizens?” Rep. Gary Hebl, D-Sun Prairie, said.

Once they get their photo ID. they will be up-graded from FIB and other out of state residents to bonafide Wisconsin resident.

Wow. Three people. Fortunately, we can make sure this watershed of abominable fraud, which was detected in the usual fashion, can never happen again by making it more difficult for Wisconsin's 4.8 million voting-age adults to vote! This is truly a shining day for democracy.

916WI said, "t would require actually knowing how to read a form--that's possibly why the democrats are upset about this. God forbid we have an electorate that is required to read.......the horror!"
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Well, 916WI, you just disparaged tens of thousands of very intelligent voters in Wisconsin with dyslexia and vision issues that are provided special assistance at the polls by election judges.

The problem is these out of state college kids have not established residency to vote in Wisconsin. If they have a job in WI and go to school in WI they still pay taxes in their home state. They vote by absentee ballot in their home state, plus are able to vote in Wisconsin if we don't have a photo ID. This cancels out a legal resident of WI vote. The dems figure UW Madison and other schools are liberal, so heavy turn out gives them the edge. So to be against voter ID, is a vote for voter fraud. To qualify for in state tuition, a student must establish residency 12 months before applying/going to a WI college. Or, they pay out of state student tuition rate.

Sarah: There is an investigation going on right now in Milwaukee county of voter fraud.http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/three-under-investigation-for-possible-voter-fraud-o632mh7-133914803.html

feduptaxpayer- this does not create jobs, and my comment previously was "this is nothing but a non-jobs creating Republican agenda...."

Yes, Wisconsin needs jobs, but at the same time we need to be more selective about what kinds of business Wisconsin is open for...

So how many different Voter ID's does Rep. Joe Knilans have?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/t...

IQ above 80? - no Voter ID for you. You got a brain? Republicans will block you from voting!

All right grandy618, it is not always as easy to read intent as it could be. I retract any thing that might have insulted or offended.

It sure seems like the Republicans are hell bent on denying a significant number of citizens their constitutional right to vote. Why are they so intent on making a citizen exercise one of their most basic rights as absolutely difficult as possible?

"Shopierehuh: That is all anybody needs to do, sometime in the next two - three months. Go to any Wisconsine DMV and get your "FREE" voter ID card. Problem solved!" grandy618

grandy, that is what I said on the second post on this story. Why are you repeating me? Do you not have your own thoughts? Are you just now learning the language? Why are you repeating me and then telling me the same thing I said some time ago? Something is not copasetic with you.

More of the same hatred and fear of the people from the right-wing nut-jobs we have in office currently. RECALL Walker

analertcitizen, you put it very well. "The rate of substantiated fraud". Voter ID is to minimize unsubstantiated fraud. And in this world of "money buying politics" that we live in, I think it happens more often than .0002%

Another transparent effort at voter suppression. Just remember, everything these people are doing is o.k. "until they came for me"...... I hope some of you will finally take off your blinders. This governor and his faithful should be starting to scare some of you.

Gandalf

And you should be ashamed of yourself for making that comment. Most of us in the "elderly and disabled" category love our country and our state enough to protect the voting system. If that requires a little effort, so be it. Something is wrong with YOU, if you you believe that is "right-wing fringe". You want to see "fringe", watch the OWS videos....totally embraced and supported by the democrats and the Potus.

A tech school ID isn't good enough to buy a beer with, but you can use it to vote.

Got it.

this is nothing but a non-jobs creating Republican agenda....

From the Brennan Center for Justice at NYC Law RE: Wisconsin voting:
The rate of substantiated fraud:
•The allegations of fraud related to the 2004 general elections, in which 277,565 votes were cast in Milwaukee, and 2,997,007 votes were cast in all of Wisconsin.
There were 7 substantiated cases of individuals knowingly casting invalid votes that counted -- all persons with felony convictions. This amounts to a rate of 0.0025% within Milwaukee and 0.0002% within the state as a whole. None of these problems could have been resolved by requiring photo ID at the polls.

Maybe the tough part of getting a voter id is the fact that you have to actually prove you LIVE in Wisconsin. Is that why they oppose this law?

grandys618, don't you get it? A photo ID is required to vote. Technical colleges provide photo IDs to their students. There is absolutely no reason to discount these IDs, yet the GOP insists something sinister is at work.
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As another pointed out, this has nothing to do with stopping voter fraud and everything to do with adding another layer of red tape, or another hoop to jump through for those legally able to vote to obtain ID. What's next, everyone will have to bring a Notary Public with them when they "apply" for the ID?

dkush21, granted, dead people will lose the right to vote and others will lose the right to vote 2, 3 or more times but other than that I'm pretty sure our rights will remain intact.

So what is the Republicans ulterior motive here? They insist on requiring a "photo ID" to vote but a tech-school photo ID is not good enough? If maintaining the integrity of our election process was their primary motive then a tech-school photo ID would be acceptable. The Republican Legislative majority gave their leader the sovereignty to block any rule he didn’t like. This the same overreach of government so many so-called conservatives complain about yet where is their righteous indignation? What part of any of this process represents a democracy? The GOP ideology does not stand up under scrutiny. THAT’S why the recall process is essential; to force our politicians to be accountable. If Walker believes in what he is doing, then he has nothing to fear. So why does he (and his party faithful) seem to be shaking in their shoes?

If you don't have the correct ID, you simply go to the DMV, fill out the form and check the appropriate boxes and receive your free ID. It would require actually knowing how to read a form--that's possibly why the democrats are upset about this. God forbid we have an electorate that is required to read.......the horror!
As far as the tech school students go--are we seriously saying that so many of them don't have driver's licenses to the point where this needs to be made an issue of? How people survive in today's day and age without a drivers license is beyond me. Didn't they need one to register for their classes?

i'm telling mom!

This has nothing to do with voter fraud. Just a way of taking away more rights from people.

As most of you know, soon there will be no voting without picture ID. You need to go to Department of Motor Vehicles and tell them you would like the FREE picture ID. If you don't say "FREE", they will charge for it. This is the way I understand it. If you have a drivers license, it will suffice for ID for voting, and you can't have the FREE ID. This is what DMV told me on a recent visit.