justonepost I applaud your thinking, where was it 2-3 years ago?

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST5500...

From the Janesville Gazette YESTERDAY:
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"""The state Department of Workforce Development reported that Wiscons lost 9,300 PRIVATE SECTOR jobs last month and 9,700 overall - MORE THAN ANY OTHER STATE."""
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We, the people of Wisconsin, have a unique opportunity to fix this problem. We made a mistake and elected someone who SOLD US OUT to the highest bidder.
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If the numbers above are not enough to convince you...partisanship must be more important than our state and your neighbors.

Dear Governor,
Please stop trying to pass legislation that undercuts environmental protections of the states natural resources. The economy relies on resources, and if you don't protect them, they will be squandered.
Please stop stealing money from the federal government for ObamaCare-give back the $49 million.
Please don't let safe sex education become a thing of the past while you gut funding from public health agencies. The sexual health of every child in Wisconsin is in peril with SB 237.
Please don't tell the fine people of this state that you create jobs when we know we lost almost 10,000 jobs in Wisconsin-mostly private sector.
And another thing, please Step Down; if you really wanted to save some cash, don't make the state spend it recalling you.

Like Justice Prosser did , Ms Taylor has denied this ALLEGATION, which is all it is. Prosser unlike Taylor admitted to placing his hands around a female employee's neck.

Her side in the JS online:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/l...

Why do you do the very thing that you chastize others for? Convict before any proof has been brought forward by anthing other than a webste that you follow? You seem to be a hypocrite of the lowest order.

Wislady thoe are what we call allegations. Again you manufacturing a contraversy that doesnt exist. Could you please explain that media tracker is a conservative watchdog site?

your first try at this FAILED and was total BS! Makes me smile to watch you eat your words, so please when you are ready I would like to hear your explanation for.....
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/13425...
Remember the LIES you posted about signatures for cigarettes? I am starting to think it was racially motivated but, it just seems like you mixed a past scandal up with this one and made it up. I watched the video, there was NO offer of "cigarettes for signatures" AND now the 2 young African -American young WOMEN have been proven to be 20-22.
Didn't you say you knew who took the video? From the news reports the person that took the video has not revealed him/herself yet, so looks like you are an insider.

EXCLUSIVE: Lena Taylor, Property Accessory To Voter Fraud

http://mediatrackers.org/2011/11/exclusi...

I got the 375,000-399,999 signatures square in the office pool. I think my chances are pretty good.

uniforms? Prayer? NO THANKS!! I will instill religion in my kids if I choose to, not the job of public educators! What an uniformed person!!

Why do teachers need unions? Look around in Wisconsin, they're wages benefits are subject to attack by politicians. Sorry but these unions are needed for teachers.

Looking good in Ohio, after their union "win"?

Ohio Issue 2 Failure and New Wave of Public Employee Layoffs

http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-issue-2-failu...

Signatures do not = votes.
Whining does not = votes.

The ones complaining about Gov. Walker are the ones that feasted off of Gov. Doyle.

Smaller Government and more jobs is the direction we need to go. Peace

p.s. the irony here is that the ones that want Walker out are looking out for themselves and want our support. Then when they win, our tax money will pay for their pensions and health care. Hellooo!!! When the Government becomes the biggest employer in the country, we are in trouble.

Unions are not needed to the extent they are used today. Unions are just political pawns. Can some one tell me why teachers need a union? Is the work place that miserable? Are the working conditions that horrible? That is why unions came into play in the beginning.

Disclaimer: My kids go to a private, parochial school out of my pocket. And they get a great education by wonderful teachers who never complain. God is present in the teachings. Give me the thousands of dollars spent per child on public education and I will put it to better use. Bring back school uniforms. Make the teachers job easier. Get rid of the stereotypes of fashion and style and focus on educating our youth. And yes, bring prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance back without the AFL-CLU destroying what made this country great.

I see, for the OWSDEM faithful not only does it depend on the meaning of "is" it also depends on the meaning of "you". Whatever troll.

RAF, you have this mental block about the word "YOU" meaning only YOU. Can't YOU understand that when a person is talking in second person plural "YOU" means any of several people, not just YOU.
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How's that y=2y working out for you?

Poo said “Point is you end up with two taxpayer-paid pensions”
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I do? Please call my current employer to let them know. As usual your clueless declaration is the furthest thing from the truth and shows your continued troll-like behavior. Isn’t there some mayor somewhere you need to be harassing about street lights that you don’t pay for?

RAF said, "I have wrote and called my federal reps for decades over this problem. To date only ryan has tried to do anything about it."
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But have you called the mayor of Oakland to ask her to turn the street lights back on?

MCD, but that is exactly what happens. On the federal side (not sure for state) if a budget is not exhausted the amount not spent is reduced from next the years budget, these people never want anything reduced so they ALAWYS spend it all. I have wrote and called my federal reps for decades over this problem. To date only ryan has tried to do anything about it.

RAF said, "You failed to grasp the point, as usual; these same MPS employees leave ONE job and get TWO pensions...vastly different than leaving the SECOND job with a SECOND pension. But given your lack of math ability I can see where this becomes hard to understand."
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Makes no difference. Point is you end up with two taxpayer-paid pensions. Doesn't matter if you work one MPS job for 40 years or retire from the military and work another 15 of 20 years somewhere for some public employer. Same thing RAF, you end up with two pensions - both paid for by taxpayers plus your very good taxpayer-paid, single-payer health care benefits for life. One or two or three employers, who cares. You end up with the same thing you're blasting these MPS employees for. Feeling guilty?

RAF - I never said the entire pot gets spent in every budget. Oftentimes it doesn't because of the structure of the salary schedule, number of people taking single or family plan, etc.

poo stated:"Just like if you worked in a public job after you retired from the military and got both your military and public pensions at taxpayer expense."
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For the education challenged, under federal law only one federal pension is allowed. Each state makes their own rules over the ability of employees to double dip; some do and most don't.

You failed to grasp the point, as usual; these same MPS employees leave ONE job and get TWO pensions...vastly different than leaving the SECOND job with a SECOND pension. But given your lack of math ability I can see where this becomes hard to understand.

DickTracy......I have a friend I graduated with back in 1995. Great girl--social, fun and reliable but hardly the brightest crayon in the box. She teaches in one of the Beloit elementary schools. Her base is $63,000 with benefits totaling a hair over $42,000. The average HOUSEHOLD income in Beloit is $36,000/year. When a community is paying out more than the total income that their average households are making just to satisfy the benefit expenses of some of the public employees, I would consider that excessive.......no??

MadCityDaddy said: "Here's the budget. Here's how much money we have for pay and bennies." and then the discussion becomes how to split that pot up. There's no increasing the pot because that's all the money there is.
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That is a HUGE problem. Just because there is money in the budget doesn't mean it all NEEDS to be spent. One of the biggest wastes in all government has been exhausting budgets; it does not all have to be spent!

Problem is Wislady, part of THAT majority is also signing for his recall, and THEY are not going away either. ROLL ON RECALL.

poobah

Sorry, poopbah, I am the part of the majority who elected Walker and I am not going away.

wislady, if you spent your time cutting coupons instead of copying and pasting links you'd save yourself a bundle of money and the rest of us the trouble of ignoring the links.

Redundant....

onedayatatime

Well, I find it "sad" that you believe your point of view is the only one allowed.

So much for the "win" in Ohio, they are facing massive layoffs since they voted down SB2.

http://ucsdcalrev.files.wordpress.com/20...

About Union Leader wages, I looked up what I could and the highest wages I found om a national level was still less than 500K. On the other hand some Wisconsin CEO's make an obscene amount of money:http://media.jsonline.com/images/EXECPAY15G.jpg

didn't like doyle either but my rearend is worse now with Walker.

Feduptaxpayer - you say "the Union leaders that are also in the so called 1% get richer and richer because of your monthly union dues. Keep paying and make the snakes even richer. Ironic don't you think?

Explain to me how this would be any different than lobbyists getting BIG MONEY for the Republican party? Right, it isn't any different! The sooner you realize that, the better off you'll be. Be honest, both parties are filled with self serving crooks don't you think? It just amazes me why you would want to associate with those that continue to fund the rich and hurt the poor and middle class? Apparently you are in that 1%!

watched the video --what is your point? I am a collector of signatures and I explain how to complete the form. We do not want any signatures thrown out because someone did not understand the form.
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Are you assuming both those people signing are under the age of 18 and not able to vote in WI?
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I know several adults with children who are smaller than the shorter of the two in the video.
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This is pretty pathetic. No matter. Scotty is going down. . . . .

When 5x as many signatures are ruled valid than what is needed, it is irrelevant how many were ruled invalid, NOT FRAUDULANT.
It would behoove many on this site to research the facts before posting misleading statements. It is critical that we all become informed as to what is really happening in this country and make informed decisions at the polls. I find it very sad that wislady refers to researching the subject and analyzing the data provided as "liberal logic". IMO if more people did this we might find that we actually can find common ground and could join forces to solve this country's problems. I know that will never happen, therefore, our country has no future. We will remain divided until everything collapses around us (it’s already happening) then will continue to point fingers. I'm very sad and hopeless, regarding the future of this country because of comments such as those made by wislady and others. I’m really tired of people referring to others as hypocrites. Making false statements that only serve to continue to tear this country apart, and all the while out of the other side of your mouths proclaiming to love this country, you continue to prove yourself a hypocrite.

916WI - PLEASE define what you call "excessive pension and benefit programs" for public employees? As a public employee, I can assure you I have nothing that would be considered EXCESSIVE!

i_luv_jvl - Well Said!

wislady....I tried to find, since you failed to provide, the source of the inflammatory statement you made. "In the Ohio petitions, the total were 1.5 Million signatures......just over 900,000 valid. That's a lot of fake people, or....people from Wisconsin." In the two hours I spent reading Ohio newspapers and gov. web sites, there was no mention of any fraud. Signatures were ruled invalid for reasons such as the address on their liciense and thier current address did not match. Not one instance of voter fraud reported.
From your 8:26 AM post "Back to the signatures....how many are valid?" I answered your question by researching the facts and provided the links where I found the information. They only needed 231,149 and they received 1,298,301 of which over 900,ooo were ruled valid. Do the math. That's 69.3% were determined to be valid.

@nemisis: you stated "You also have the right to tell the business owner you will take your business elsewhere."
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That is correct, you do. That's the same right everyone had to boycott businesses earlier this year who supported Walker and many who posted on these blogs then thought that was terrible. I don't think either is terrible. Everyone has the right to spend their money where they want. It's their choice.

Wow, hypocrite.

"It's pretty much irrelavant how many were valid when the majority was overwhelmingly against it."

Oh....it's irrelevant, not illegal. That makes it all better, thanks for the clarification.

wislady, onedayatatime never stated it didn't matter how many were fraudulent. What onedayatatime did say was, "It's pretty much irrelavant how many were valid when the majority was overwhelmingly against it."
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onedayatatime said it doesn't matter how many were VALID - he never said fraudulent. Once you have the required number of valid signatures, what does it matter if you have 10%, 20%,50% more than you need? It matters not. onedayatatime's logic here is impeccable.

If anyone goes into a business establishment you have the right to not be harassed by people asking you to sign this petition. This could be in the parking lot or at the entrance of the business. You have the right to tell the business owner you disapprove of the harassment. You also have the right to tell the business owner you will take your business elsewhere.

onedayatatime

So they had more signatures than they needed, and the fact that MANY were fraudulent doesn't matter because they met the quota with out counting them. Ok, sounds like liberal logic alright.

Sorry the link didn't work, give it another try. How old do these kids look?

Occupy Milwaukee - Apparent Recall Walker Signature Fraud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...

MadCityDad, I think Sigma40 was just expressing his frustration with Walker's election. :-O

Sigma, that's the most un-American thing I've seen on these blogs in, well, forever. You must be really scared that most people who vote don't agree with your viewpoint.

I think that Wislady can't honestly believe what she says, and is probably looking for a reaction and kicks back and laughs at us all. I think (as hard as it might be) I'm going to try to ignore her ignorance.

Sigma40 said, "...far more damage has been done by stupid voters than concealed guns."
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Have to agree with you there, sigma40. After all, they elected Walker.

They should make people get licenses to vote and sign for recalls. In order to get a license they should be forced to take a class (min 4 hours).... far more damage has been done by stupid voters than concealed guns.

RETAIN WALKER

RECALL WALKER!

wislady:
"The Huron County Board of Elections validated 3,457 signatures to repeal Senate Bill 5, the controversial law regarding unions and workplace safety. Only 497 signatures were required to meet 3 percent of the total vote in the last gubernatorial election in Huron County."
This is from only 1 county in Ohio. I had found the number you are asking about but now I can't find the link. The number found to be valid 60%. 231,149 valid signatures were needed and 1.3 million Ohioans signed petitions to repeal SB 5. It's pretty much irrelavant how many were valid when the majority was overwhelmingly against it.
The number of raw, unverified signatures filed with the secretary of state’s office, a record for an Ohio ballot issue, is more than five times the number that must withstand scrutiny to qualify the referendum for the Nov. 8 ballot."
http://www.toledoblade.com/State/2011/06...
Issue 2 was defeated 63%-37%.

Please click her link lol and see what it says way to Go wislady untrue again.this is what you will get on the youtube link //The URL contained a malformed video ID.

Wislady Thank God for the UNIONS they gave us a 40 hour work week, Fair wage Take your Walker and his low pay and move to where people don't care what they earn. Waukeesha County would be nice for you as they are right up in the mist of his coruption and would welcome people like you that agree this is ok to destroy our Education system and force people to less wage and loss of JOBS. BTW does your buddy Walker intend to return the Obama care money ? As you do know he refused Obamacare and still has the money......You will find that in Most News Articles. research it and your youtube sharing Please verify with proof...

wislady FYI if a business chooses to do this it is STILL THEIR RIGHT as WALKER HASN"T TAKEN THAT Away yet....They step in and make it a public place to enforce The smoking ban so get over this complaint... The law says any PUBLIC BUILDING and land, subject to exceptions to areas and rooms to which freepblic access is generally denied,petition circulation may not be subject to any permitting or licensure requirement and i subject to no limits as to specific days or times of day.

RAF said, "Just look at some the contract agreements, some MPS employees get 2 pensions; both funded by tax payers. In what warped scheme of tax payer funding is the requirement of 2 pensions needed?"
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Yeah, I see exactly what you mean there, RAF. Just like if you worked in a public job after you retired from the military and got both your military and public pensions at taxpayer expense. I can't imagine how warped that is! Not to mention also receiving taxpayer-paid, single-payer healthcare benefits for life.

http://twitpic.com/7ggc8p

getinvolved

When I know who took the video, I believe it.

Thumbs down to.........the Italian House (with the trailer set up in parking lot for recalls), and Basics (having recall petition signing inside the building).

To finish my manifesto; most teachers I know (especially the really good ones, which are many) won't leave their jobs/careers over the pay issue. But they will leave when the working conditions get so bad they can't do their jobs well.

For RAF; for a sense of how private union negotitations go, look at what happened at Mercury Marine. The suits at the top nearly destroyed the company and got obscene bonuses for doing it, while the workers were told to take the offer of reduced pay and bennies or they would shut down the plant and ship the jobs elsewhere. A textbook case of how to break a union. Management always wants to break the union.
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To contrast that, I've been privy to teacher negotiations where the school board comes in and says, "Here's the budget. Here's how much money we have for pay and bennies." and then the discussion becomes how to split that pot up. There's no increasing the pot because that's all the money there is. The local union negotiators don't have some secret power over the board to increase the pot and they don't have the power to strike as a threat. That's where the non-financial part of CB comes in. If the teachers can't get a good raise or better bennies, they could at least bargain for better contract language and have decent working conditions instead, which is the real reason for the uproar.
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Most teachers I know aren't happy about their decreased pay, but they live with it because times are bad for a lot of people. Sure they'll pi** and moan about wages but in thier heart of hearts they know that's never going to change. It's the other side of CB they're upset about, knowing that the pay they have lost will never come back because we all know that when the economy does get better (and it will eventually) they sure aren't going to repeal the 12%/5.8% contributions.

The witchlady sees what others want her to see
and believes what others want her to believe,
but that is the one thing
that she does not see
or believe.

So the tax levy has gone up 1.9% a year in the last 10 years. Those greedy teachers with their Cadillac benefits have really been raking in the tax money. And Retiredairforce says the system is bad because of the unions? negotiating in good faith is bad?? What power do the negotiators have?? Can't go on strike. Wasn't the last contract for 2% a year raises? That doesn't seem like Wallstreet bonuses or profit sharing to me. The Walker people sold the idea that teachers were taxing everyone out of their homes. AT less than 2%?? That's your gripe? What cost in your life has gone up less than that?

Wislady.....I hope you don't believe everything you see on youtube. Who is to say that those are not repubs dressed up to shoot this video to make the recall effort look bad. It wouldn't be the first time the repubs tried to interfere with the recall effort. Burning petitions, tearing up petitions......it goes on and on.

Again, no one from the left denounces this....

The video of kids signing petitions for cigarettes.... Milwaukee, Wis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iWYY8NqA......

Who let Michele Bachmann in here?

Dear Progressives,

Quit trying to put union leaders back in control of OUR state.

Dear Governor,
Please stop trying to pass legislation that undercuts environmental protections of the states natural resources. The economy relies on resources, and if you don't protect them, they will be squandered.
Please stop stealing money from the federal government for ObamaCare-give back the $49 million.
Please don't let safe sex education become a thing of the past while you gut funding from public health agencies. The sexual health of every child in Wisconsin is in peril with SB 237.
Please don't tell the fine people of this state that you create jobs when we know we lost almost 10,000 jobs in Wisconsin-mostly private sector.
And another thing, please Step Down; if you really wanted to save some cash, don't make the state spend it recalling you.

Regarding those $5 shirts they were selling yesterday on the square.....The 99% shirts.....they were made in Nicaragua.

Just another example of Walker having to clean up after Doyle spent money, or stole money.

I am not questioning it, I know the reason. Maintaining state sovereignty of Wisconsin is NOT at the top of the list for liberals. Making sure that Wisconsin is not run by the Feds, if and when ObamaScare is implemented, is part of the reason for signing.

By the way, where is the outrage of the illegal signatures captured on video?

fear I was respectful twice already. Once with the sign on the door. You think it is respectful of you to knock anyway. Your a joke.

Bottom line, members of Walkers own party are questioning his motives, and already knowing he is devious (he signed it Nov. 3 before anyone had a chance to speak on it) there are a few that are not happy with him right now. And as far as signatures go Whizlady... mine are valid as well as anyone else on my slip!

Union leaders are in the 1%? Do you not understand what 1% means? No union leader I ever worked with was making that much. And again, public employees get a nice benefit package IN EXCHANGE for the equivalent wage of that same job in the private sector. My husband went to college for 12 years and has a doctorate, he's a public employee, if he went private, he'd EASILY make more than what he makes now. He took his job for the benefits, which get worse all the time. You want the best of the best to teach our kids, or you want whatever entry level moron they just pulled off the street to have the care of your children all day? Keep cutting pay and benefits for teachers and see how fast test scores drop then. And keep calling yourself Christian while you whine about being expected to help the poor. Can someone please show me where Jesus told the poor mothers to get up off their welfare butts and stop having babies? When you stop in to vote for Walker, please feel free to leave your Bible, you obviously don't need or read it.

Back to the signatures....how many are valid?

I have to keep repeating this. If it's ok to attach public employees: teachers, firemen, policemen, why aren't we going after the bigger picture here? Our government representives? We, the taxpayers are paying their wages, their benefits, their perks and pensions. They are way better off than any of the teachers, firemen, policemen, etc. In my opinion, we need the teachers to educate our children, we need the policemen and firemen to protect us. Do we really need so many government representatives(most of which are corrupt) who don't even represent the 99% of the population in this country? Which would you choose?

Zeussmom......Obamacare is far from being "implemented". This is all about the $49 million. Walker probably wants to keep it on the state books as long as possible. I personally think that he should just keep it-Obama's administration already owes Wisconsin $45 million for covering a short pay of Medicare funds-then tell the Federal government to go pound sand as far as the implementation of Obamacare goes. Time and time again, Walker has come out against Obama's HCR. We all know that with our past experience with Governor Walker, that when he speaks out against a specific issue, that he goes out of his way to "correct" whatever negative influence that issue will have on this state. Have a little faith!

"The regulations signed by Gov. Walker only last for 150 days, after which they can be extended for another 120"

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/hea...

There was a reason to sign it.

(Read page 3 carefully)
http://oci.wi.gov/rules/1800em11.pdf

Why 916? Even the Tea Party was fighting him on that one. Too bad he already signed the emergency order implementing Obama Care.

Marty Bell for Gov if we this recall election goes thru. That way we can cut out the middle man and your cash can go from your wallet staight to the unions.

zeussmom....Why would that change our minds?

This might change some Walker supporters minds:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/hea...

"I hope I end up knocking on your door, I am looking forward to someone trying to hassle me, seriously. What is the friggin problem?"
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Why would you knock on his door if he has a sign saying "no" to solicitors and petitioners? What is your problem?

"Because teachers, Police officers and forefighters aren't federal employees"
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There are all of those on the federal payroll and they can't negotiate, yet it has never been a problem....hmmm wonder why?

The first wave of the passionate and dedicated are signed up now and there will be a second wave of signatures as family and friends are persuaded or pressured to sign during the Thanksgiving weekend. A smaller third wave over the Christmas weekend as most people will already be signed the petition, said no, or have caught on to say they already signed to avoid the badgering.

I don't think enough signatures will be collected, but I do think it will be close. The significant thing which might change the numbers is if a Democratic candidate is selected before the end of the month. I wonder how many office pools on the final tally have been started?

Careful joker thats a felony. Just say no, why is it so hard for you people just to be respectful and say no?
I hope I end up knocking on your door, I am looking forward to someone trying to hassle me, seriously. What is the friggin problem? I think you just put a Walker sign in your yard, thats a good enough way to keep us away. No solicitors is good enogh for me, but these empty threats is what I love. These fake tough guys talking about what they would do, LOL!!

Wisconsin hasnt a chance in hell of becoming a shade of California is, never. The deomgraphics are so completely different its not even a decent comparison, let alone a fair one. So please, cut out the rhetoric as if it will work, and argue the points on their merits as they pertain to your own personal values. Whats right, whats wrong for the majority, not the minority of the people. And please spare me the stupid labels, socialist and communist labels are old and frankly just don't apply.

right next to my no solicitors sign on the door I have a no petitioners sign. next one ends up in the toilet

RAF- Because teachers, Police officers and forefighters aren't federal employees. And the private sector pours billions of dollars into the process as well to control the rules and regulations to their own profit, very rarely does any private sector bribery have ANYTHING to do with the well being of the employees.
citizens united ring a bell?
I have a real problem with any elected party telling public servants that they CANNOT negotiate salary benefit packages based on the fact that they are taxpayer supported positions. Especially those that protect and teach. They should NOT be subject to a political ideology and their opinions of compensation. The fact that this is now a reality is what troubles me. While I will say that anyone having 2 pensions is a problem. That seems to be a problem that could easily be solved at the negotiating table with some common sense, not destruction of 50+ years of labor and education success in the eyes of some larger agenda.

Mouse, I was making the comparison to a state that has a high payrate and VERY bad budget to Wisconsin, which doesnt come close to that pay and is on the road to having a bad budget. California has a bunch of programs that need review, otherwise taxes go up on the wage earners even more. Im off topic on the union stuff a little, just want to vent about all politicians screwing over the people that put them in office. Left or right, none of them are any good after a year in office. A recall? Sure, do what you think is right and good. Some other jack-wagon is always ready to take power.

The LARGEST problems with public sector unions are not the employees it has been the negotiating. In private sector union vs business both parties approach the table with their own agendas, business wants to make a profit but still have a viable workforce and the union wants to make their members safe and provide the opportunity to earn more money to include stability and the union has little financial information.

In the public sector the adversarial process has become extinct. The representatives for the people are elected or appointed through the political system, the same one the unions pour millions into. The unions have all budget figures [public information] and enter deliberations in many cases with political friends on the other side of the table, leaving the tax payer to provide the tab for whatever happens.

Now I don’t begrudge the union member for the process for the most part they just wanted the job and the other stuff was/is well beyond their control. But as tax payers themselves they can surely understand the dichotomy of that situation. Just look at some the contract agreements, some MPS employees get 2 pensions; both funded by tax payers. In what warped scheme of tax payer funding is the requirement of 2 pensions needed?

The only way to stop the insanity was put an end to it by changing the law that allowed it. Step back and think why the federal government disallowed this process with federal employees’ decades ago before you allow the current rhetoric to confuse your opinion over if this was a good or bad idea. If you still think it’s a bad idea why are the same national groups, politicians and special interest, not concerned about federal employees...and why aren't you?

iT SEEMS ONCE AGAIN WISLADY IS WILLING TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEMOMENT IT IS POSTED ON youtube!! lol. First, I am watching and listening and still have yet to see anything offered OR recieved for their signature. Second, I also heard really nothing to prove or disprove their age, Third, I believe that this is OBVIOUSLY a ploy by some desparate conservatives to prove some sort of widespread fraud when 2 young looking black people are signing something.
If this person is real then they should have reported this to the police that were standing RIGHT THERE!! Its called FRAUD, ITS AGAINST THE LAW!! Look at this guy/gals youtube channel, three videos posted all from the occupy Milwaukee on the North Ave bridge? I think this person had a responsibility to report this to the authorities ON THE SCENE. This is just a political commercial, nothing more. More fodder for the ridiculous people like wislady to vaccuum up and spread like widfire with ZERO proof of its legitimacy. Coming from the same people that wanted everyone to give david Prosser the benefit of the doubt when he CHOKED a colleague, and ADMITTED he did it. You people continued to say he didn't! Unfortunately you just aren't smart enough to understand how ridiculous you are.
All that being said if , IF this video is PROVEN TO BE authentic(no chance) these people should go to jail, and be prosecuted. Just like the redneck from Lancaster that committed a felony yesterday in Madison, Allegedly.
Wislady can try and try and try to discredit this movement all they like, it just shows their level of fear. Fear that the repeating is NOT sticking, that the rhetoric is NOT working, and that thee governor is in BIG, BIG trouble. 105,000 in 4 days? Unbelievable!! These folks are so organized and are going to get this done. I say at very least they take back the senate. Walker is now feeling the heat. He said himself that this would go away after awhile, WRONG!! Its not going away Scott and you can't run from it. Hehas no one to blame but himself. He had a chance to just negotiate like Tommy did, instead he wanted a "Reagan moment" and now it may well cost him his job. Its called an over reach. Time for Scott to run for VP his intent was to launch himself into the national scene anyways, now it just starts 3 yrs sooner than he had hoped.

"I wonder who will step forward for the Democrats. Russ Feingold? Dave Obey? Tim Cullen? Dan Bouska? All good choices."
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LOL, so says an OWSDEM that voted for the current leader of the US senate who has FAILED to put forward passed a national budget, something that is required every year. Under his leadership it has been almost 3 years since the US passed a naional budget...great job harry.

My signatures were on that petition when someone came to my door today. I will fight for my entire family's education. We are all in school and we all are part of the working class. I will not be further driven into poverty because some guy tells me and my family that we're not worthy of support to become successful while the rich stay rich simply because they have been thus far. I am anti-Walker and will sound it from the roof-tops if it'll allow me my freedoms again.

Here's the school tax levy details ()=DECREASES.
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RECENT JANESVILLE SCHOOL DISTRICT TAX LEVIES

Year Levy Increase (Decrease)

2001-02 $30.06 million (1.15%)

2002-03 $28.66 million (4.65%)

2003-04 $28.67 million 0.03%

2004-05 $30.79 million 7.39%

2005-06 $29.31 million (4.8%)

2006-07 $29.09 million (0.75%)

2007-08 $33.22 million 3.43%

2008-09 $34.21 million 2.98%

2009-10 $34.77 million 1.63%

2010-11 $35.88 million 3.19%

Biggest list of freeloaders there has been documented in a long time probably.

Does anyone who comments here know how much the school tax levy has gone up in the last 10 years? How big a raise have teachers gotten in the past couple years. For the anti union people: is there an example of union negotiators being thugs in Janesville. I don't get out much

Hey Mouse, I was just in California and the starting wage for an employee at In and Out Burger was over 14.00 an hour, McDonalds was near 15.00. Look at the shape their State budget is in, just throwing that out there.

916WI, If you want the 1% to get richer while you and I (and the rest of the 99%) get poorer then I don't think we'll ever agree. If the 1% paid more of their share there wouldn't be such a need to go after us. I thought your buddy Walker admitted that the collective bargaining didn't save any money - didn't you hear that? The insurance and pension issues were separate from the CB. Actually, the public union employees are putting more money into their insurance so others are putting in less. And you likely already know that the public employees received those benefits in lieu of pay increases for years. All of us can pick and choose whatever portions of this entire scenario we wish and there will be some truth in all the arguments, but the real truth is that the more the 99% fight amongst themselves the worse it will be for us and the better it will be for the 1%. That's just the way they like it. I'd rather things got better for all of us, some would sooner see them get worse for all but the select few. You have apparently made your choice. Your previous posts suggest such.

The video was taken this past Wed in Milwaukee....not fake, and the people investigating it don't think it is fake either.

nomoreres.......How are the 1% being supported by Walker's collective bargaining legislation?? If the public worker unions were going after the 1% to finance their excessive pension and benefit programs, you might have a point. That's not how those benefits are paid for though. The middle class--the same people who have had to endure the cuts you discuss in your previous posts--are being asked to put up more of their already limited incomes to provide benefit packages they could only dream of. You have the nerve to tell those that who are struggling to "set their pride aside"?? Get real. I'm voting for Walker again. Thankfully quite a few of us can see though the rhetoric and the flawed perspectives that the anti-Walker contingent continue to throw out there.

Wislady: You are fake.

Well then you had better watch out for your fruit.
Especially if it is low-hanging.

In the Ohio petitions, the total were 1.5 Million signatures......just over 900,000 valid. That's a lot of fake people, or....people from Wisconsin.

4bears or anyone for that matter. If FOX is so bad, where do you get your news and information? Why are your news sources always the truth and FOX is always wrong? Who are you to say? YOU are the sheep that listen to union leaders, movie stars and musicians to get your information. Does that make you right? I don't think so. You and yours are bankrupting our country and our state by just wanting the gov. to give, give and give some more. We simply can not survive that way. The party of gimmie!

Will we ever be able to elect someone who will just let people live their lives? This union mess is the result of the prison industry, 900 military bases worldwide, government picking the winners, relentless corruption on both sides...etc. So darn discouraging. Even if Walker is recalled we'll just get another corporate backed thug to screw over a different section of the population.

The video of kids signing petitions for cigarettes.... Milwaukee, Wis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iWYY8NqA...

Right now they are just getting the low hanging fruit.

Sigma40, What's really sad is that you can't see how you are damaging yourself and many others for years to come by supporting Walker and those like him. Actually, you probably can see it - you just won't. I hope you and others do before it's too late. When the 99% fight amongst themselves only the 1% win. I am not going to be their cheerleader.

Its sad that you see a lot of people not having a clue why they are signing, just because other people are.

Electing Walker was like hiring a blind man to chauffeur your car. No matter how fervently he can spout Koch Bros. rhetoric, he lacks basic political and administrative ability. He just doesn't have it, and he needs to be removed. I can only hope voters get it right next time.

Feduptaxpayer and Scott Walker have absolutely no idea what collective bargaining means. If the unions win big dollar raises and benefits for their members, they are destroyed for being greedy and chasing jobs away. If the unions make concessions either from worsening economic conditions or threats from the employer, the unions are destroyed for being weak and useless. The anti-union posters here have written, "why do I need a union if I have to take a pay cut? What good are paying union dues then?" Really. Either way, collective bargaining brings them to the table and makes them a stakeholder. Wage earning employees have enough working against then to add members of their own economic class claw them down. Whether you like it or not, there's a war on to steal our labor. Wake up!!

Fedup, I don't know about Harley, but I can tell you for sure that Mercury employees took a beating while the fat cats made a killing. It wasn't on Walker's watch, but that doesn't make it right. It's too bad you can't see the bigger picture. Why do you and those like you want to drag so many down to support the 1%? I know it's hard to admit you're wrong, but it's very important that you do before this state and country make it tougher and tougher for the middle class. Set your pride aside and join the 99% who want to make things better for you and the other 99%. It's not just a Walker thing.

Sign me up.

Actually Vato, the government is obliged to make it as easy for all eligible citizens to vote.

I assume the Gazette will print at least one anti Walker story a day until it's all over. Nice bias.

You do realize that you then have to win a recall election before you claim victory, right? See you at the polls.

I wonder who will step forward for the Democrats. Russ Feingold? Dave Obey? Tim Cullen? Dan Bouska? All good choices.

BelieveMe, shouldn't surprise you, does it? vat is just another one of the mindless sheep, too much Fox spin!

sign me up!!!

Nemesis- I don't know anyone from out of State in the recall effort, and I want my money to go towards education and things that make the State great, not to appointees inflated wages and corporations.

vatoloco, Where is the request to be "given" these things? The post said he is making it harder to get them. Big difference don't you think?

Seriously loco?

The people in the recall effort of walker or the Occupiers - they're all the same.
Many are from out of state - many think they are entitled to your money - you won't find any two of them who know the facts instead of the rhetoric why they are protesting.

i_luv, Very well said.

Governor Walker, in this time of economic distress you have chosen to abandon the working poor and the middle class in favor of the privileged few. At the behest of corporations and sinister plutocrats you have chosen to suppress democracy. You have chosen to make it harder to vote, to make it harder to earn a decent wage, to make it harder to obtain decent health care, to make it harder for citizens to express their First Amendment rights, to make it harder to give our children a decent education and a decent future. You have made your choices abundantly clear. Now we, the working people of Wisconsin, are making our choice