It is hard to imagine that anyone in his/her right mind would support Walker after listening to the likes of his most ardent supporters (Kaysbrew, Wislady, Fedup & RAF). Their collective tactics of deflection and denial are incredible and their inability to admit to their errors almost makes it laughable, except we are talking about serious matters, folks. Please consider these things when casting your votes in the recall.

RAF said of himself, "Not simply I troll..."

Oh, we know it RAF! You troll in a very distracted and complicated way.

Not simply I troll but a narcissistic troll

Walter, when you told RAF, "All the diversionary nonsense only makes you come off as a bit unhinged," I think you were being very kind.

RAF said, "I didn't try to answer your question, I answered Walters. As it happens everyday you offer nothing to the conversation."

RAF, you were answering my questions and don't even REMEMBER they were my questions because you spent almost three days dodging them! Haha, you are so much entertainment. When you replied to Walter that, "As far as your request for a quantifiable metric that is easy," you were indeed replying to questions that I first asked you. Walter saw you jumping around like a dancer on hot coals trying to avoid my questions and he tried focusing you on back my questions. That's why I thanked him earlier for his help and perseverance.

If you simply SEARCH the comments for the word "METRIC" on this page, you will find the first occurrence in my April 17, 2012 at 12:22p.m. comment where I said:

"Sounds like you've been doing lots of research, RAF. Perhaps you're willing to answer these questions:

1) What is your metric for determining if voter ID is "working great?"

2) Will you share your list of states in which voter ID is "working great" and the states in which voter ID is not "working great?"

3) Also, for the states where you've determined voter ID is "working great," how "great" were things working prior to voter ID?"

Walter you fail to grasp what voter protection is. If a person takes another’s vote, via fraud, that vote is never removed from ANY tally. If a person can walk in and claim they are anyone, again ask Holder about his ballot, there is no protection. The only laws in place in states that don't require voter ID are punishments after the act occurs. Again, after the fraud happens it is NEVER removed from the vote tally. So how do you claim that is voter protection?

Not sure what table your sitting at that has turned, perhaps you and No2 are sharing the same lazy suzan table; as both have failed miserably with lazy circular logic.

Walter uttered "You stated "in the majority", which clearly means that in some states that have implemented voter ID it is not "working great"."
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Your information on voting laws has been proven faulty many times over. In this nation the majority of states HAVE voter ID laws. The remainder, minority, don't require voter ID. Hence, in the majority of states voter ID works great. Again if you read the words provided you have all the information. When you start thinking with your understanding of voter laws you start having problems.

No2 uttered "I didn't ask for a metric for measuring protection"
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Hey troll....I didn't try to answer your question, I answered Walters. As it happens everyday you offer nothing to the conversation.

poobah,
No sweat. For someone that acts like it's their job to hold everyone's feet to the fire when it comes to posts on this site, RAF certainly can't seem to take the heat when the tables have so clearly been turned.

RAF,
"Walter in the majority of states in this nation that protect voters via ID, it is working great."
Those are your words. You stated "in the majority", which clearly means that in some states that have implemented voter ID it is not "working great".
You have recently posted:
"My response was a simple answer stating in states that have voter ID it is working great."
That is a falsehood. You clearly used the words "in the majority of states". You do realize that it's possible just to scroll down to see that you're attempting to walk back your words, right?
Also to say that states with voter ID laws have "protection", while those with no such laws have no such "protection" is to imply that laws regarding voter fraud never existed prior to voter ID laws and also implies that no manner of enforcement of those laws previously existed either. Both implications are summarily false and easily proven to be so. WI's voter fraud laws remain on the books. They are enforceable and being enforced. We were protected before. We are currently being protected. We will continue to be protected.

Walter, thanks for your help in focusing RAF back on his unsubstantiated claim about voter ID. I'm not at all surprised that he couldn't cite or provide the data to substantiate his claim, but I am surprised that he acknowledged that to you. Your perseverance paid off.

RAF said, "As far as your request for a quantifiable metric that is easy. In states with no ID requirement there is no protection. In states with ID requirements there is protection."

I didn't ask for a metric for measuring protection, but for the one you used to measure whether voter ID was "working great" or not. You could have just said upfront that you had no statistical definition of "working great" and no defined metric for measuring it -- that your claim was unsubstantiated by data.

RAF then said, "Now if you wish to have that broken down by voter’s pre-ID/post-ID with local, county, state, and federal elections you have issues I can't help you with."

It was clear from your distractions and refusal to answer the questions that you never did have the data to substantiate your claim. Thanks for confirming that by being unable to provide it.

Walter, pot meet kettle; ref theatrics.

To your repeated rhetorical question, the answer rests in your ORIGINAL question...perhaps you forgot. You stated "...tell us all how that voter id law is working out so far". You gleefully were referencing this state’s law not in effect; due to court action. My response was a simple answer stating in states that have voter ID it is working great.

The fact you and the poo parade of users can't read the words provided in no way changes the words or the meaning of the post.

As far as your request for a quantifiable metric that is easy. In states with no ID requirement there is no protection. In states with ID requirements there is protection. Now if you wish to have that broken down by voter’s pre-ID/post-ID with local, county, state, and federal elections you have issues I can't help you with. The idea of using common sense behind voter protection has escaped the fringe left in this country. Hmmmm, wonder why?

RAF,
Seriously, what's with all the theatrics? If you can't defend your claim, that's all you have to say. Poobah's correct when he states that I never claimed that there are any state or federal laws that go unbroken. Why would I have to first prove a claim that I never made just so you will defend a claim that you actually did make. You've gone off the deep end. If you're not willing to engage further questioning about your own statements, you might want to post that admission and leave it at that. All the diversionary nonsense only makes you come off as a bit unhinged.

Nothing but excuses from the troll

RAF, you were asked for supporting data and information for a very specific claim that YOU asserted. In an attempt to not answer those questions, you are now asking Walter to prove two negatives - neither of which HE has claimed! Aren't you embarrassed by the seventh grade debate team tactics you employ in an attempt to create distractions from your inability to support your own claims?

Walter, as I said earlier, short of RAF providing data to support his claim, his claim can be considered as nothing more than an unsubstantiated opinion. It should be left at that.

Walter that is soooo typical of those that think voter ID isn't required. I can play all the same silly games as well, so I will answer your question right after you answer these.

Please tell me a federal law that all people follow and NEVER break? Provide your proof.

Please tell me a state law that all people follow and NEVER break? Provide your proof.

As with voter fraud, a back road that is not watched by law enforcement never has any speeding on it either. The faulty claims put forth that there is no voter fraud is backed because it is hardly EVER checked for.

I'll wait patiently for your proof for the other laws that are NEVER broken. Extra credit is given when you can point out the state and national ramifications for those other laws that are never broken too.

Btw, here is video of the disgusting "smart" people who think they know how to run the state.

James T. Harris, conservative talk show host, was called an "Oreo"...as you will see in the video.
Then, we have an "intelligent" comment by disgusting Segway Jeremy.

Racist Hate From Liberal Lefties in Wisconsin (language warning)
http://youtu.be/SPcpW-wQpB0

RAF,
Is it really that difficult to stand by your own drivel or must you continue to dance around it? Your own words indicate that you believe that in some states using voter ID the law is not working great. I think it's a fair question to ask you about those states. I think it's also fair to ask you to explain how you define "working great". Perhaps you could provide a quantifiable measure of the reduction in voter fraud that can be linked directly to the implementation of the voter ID law in each of those states. Or do you expect people to say to each other, "I read RAF's post and it said X, so X must be true"? Is that the kind of logic you yourself would use?

"Everyone gets it"
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Are you speaking for all your different accounts again?

Everyone gets it, RAF. And everyone knows you get it. You choose to create distractions instead of backing up your proud words with any data. Until you provide data to support your conclusion that voter ID is working great in a majority of states that have implemented it, your conclusion is nothing more than an unsubstantiated opinion. We'll leave it at that.

LOL, just like a 5 year old...I wannnt it my wayyy cauuuse thatss what I tink u said.

If you read just the words its easy. Can't include pictures for poooiieee.

But wait, RAF. You specifically said, "in the majority of states in this nation that protect voters via ID, it is working great." So that means you feel there is a minority of states in this nation that protect voters via ID where it ISN'T working great. I've not asked about states without voter ID. You need to read more carefully! I've only asked about the states you're referencing with voter ID. How about it, Raffy? Answer the questions!

No2 you're trapped in your warped circular logic world. States that don't require voter ID offer no protection, just ask Holder...pretty simple. As with most other 5 year olds asking pointless repeated comments, just because a question is asked doesn't mean it deserves a response or an answer.

RAF has not answered questions about his conclusion that, "in the majority of states in this nation that protect voters via ID, it is working great." Instead, he provides only his conclusion with no supporting information and no supporting data.

RAF,

1) What is your metric for determining if voter ID is "working great?"

2) Will you share your list of states in which voter ID is "working great" and the states in which voter ID is not "working great?"

3) Also, for the states where you've determined voter ID is "working great," how "great" were things working prior to voter ID?

RAF, it's OK to say your conclusion is only an opinion that is not supported by facts and data.

A whole day to participate in the conversation and that is the best poo and his side kick can do? At least madeinusa provided something, no matter how wacky it was.

RAF said, "Walter in the majority of states in this nation that protect voters via ID, it is working great."

Sounds like you've been doing lots of research, RAF. Perhaps you're willing to answer these questions:

1) What is your metric for determining if voter ID is "working great?"

2) Will you share your list of states in which voter ID is "working great" and the states in which voter ID is not "working great?"

3) Also, for the states where you've determined voter ID is "working great," how "great" were things working prior to voter ID?

Poor gandalf, your reading ability is on par with No2. A majority of states in this country protect voters with voter ID, in those states the law works just fine. The remainder of states, like where Eric Holder lives, there is no protection.

Walter in the majority of states in this nation that protect voters via ID, it is working great.

RAF,
Take a moment to stop dribbling on yourself to tell us all how that voter id law is working out so far.

RAF (a.k.a. Mr. Warmth), I'm surprised you have so much trouble admitting to your errors when you've had so many opportunities to do so.

Walter like your inability to grasp the truth behind voter ID laws, you have the inability to grasp her dribble for what it is. Very insignificant in relation to truth and fact on most subjects.

No2 besides you're typical trolling is there anything you have to offer?

Gandalf, as I thought, RAF not only cares about what you think about his comments, but if you believe his latest dribble versus drivel balderdash, he also cares about the terseness of your comments. Now, isn't that special? Perhaps you need to become more verbose in your replies to RAF.

RAF said to Gandalf, "Little hint for you, i could care less what you think of my posts."

RAF, saying that you "could care less" indicates that you do care about what Gandalf thinks about your comments. Of course, with a fallible human being, it could mean that you made a mistake and meant to say "couldn't care less." But how could that be the case with you, RAF?

And by the way, that lowercase "i" in your reply to Gandalf is a bit concerning, RAF. That can be indicative of low self-esteem and/or a lack of self-confidence. Of course, it could be a typographical error, but that would mean you're fallible.

Bowlgal
From one Mom to another, welcome! You'll never look back. The less you expect from your Government, the more you will expect from yourself and you will love it.

RAF,
I believe you were referring to the quality of the content of Gandalf's posts not the quantity or length of those posts. Are you really saying that the only reason you take issue with his posts is that because there's not enough of them (keep in mind he has posted at least 911 comments of varying lengths)? The word "insignificant" in the definition of "dribble" specifically refers to quantity or amount.
Also, it's ok to admit that you were misusing a word. "Drivel" is defined as silliness or nonsense which I think is what you were getting at. It would be more accurate in the context of your critique of Gandalf's posts.

FYI - the right is much more friendly and nicer then those on the left. I appreciate that also.

Clownpuncher
Apr 15, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.
You can tell this Bowlgal person is someone who sits in a diner and listens to someone else complain about Obama, and then comes her to share what she learned in the diner. It's quite obvious she knows nothing about politics.

Clown - you are partly correct. I voted Democrat for years which included Obama. I never realized how much I didn't know watching the liberal media. So, Yes, I am just getting interested in politics and still learning. I have learned that the Democrats cater to a base of stupid. (for example: Paul Ryan pushing Granny) How stupid! And it's that base I am know rejecting and reading and studying. Democrats live in a world of clique. They think they say it and it is so. No substance, no facts. They hypocrisy is outstanding!!
Yes, I'm learning. Are Republicans perfect? NO - They party is held to a higher level by the media and by it's own party. I am much more for the Tea Party Gentlemen then the Occupy Bullies. Fiscal Responsible - Obama doesn't have that. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out or even a political genius. Just a working Mom who buys gasoline and groceries and everything else for my family.

DRIBBLE

1 a tiny or insignificant bit or quantity

No, it was dribble. Yours was ignorance.

It's "drivel" not "dribble".
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionar...

Gandalf, you post dribble all the time (this is a fact), you denigrate other posters (quite aside from their viewpoints), and you continuously charge others with posting untruthfully, yet you offer no proof, just empty partisan words so typical of today's so-called liberal. I do recognize that each of your successive postings happily becomes more insane than the last one. I am thankful that your viewpoints are available for all to see. While you pretend opposing view points are shrinking...this is most laughable.

Sorry-oops- last post was for rocket.

@robot- Easy to cut and paste from a right wing publication but what do YOU think? You don't really believe this do you?

RAF said to Gandalf, "Little hint for you, i could care less what you think of my posts."

Saying that you "could care less" indicates that you do care about what Gandalf thinks about your comments. Of course, with a fallible human being, it could mean only that they made a mistake and meant to say "couldn't care less." But how could that be the case with you, RAF?

Midnite_Ride said, "What the Democrats, left, liberals, socialist hate most in our Constitution is that it tells Government what it CAN'T do."

The Constitution also tells Government (the Congress) what it CAN do (Article I, Section 8). Pay particular attention to the Commerce Clause (3):

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

LOL. More hypocritical comments from Gandalf. My truthful comments about your posts are labled as "nasty". When you do the same thing it is considered honesty. I suspect the truth really bothers you, too bad. Little hint for you, i could care less what you think of my posts. Based on the quality and less than truthful posts you have been spouting having you as an admirer is not something I want or need.

What little we have learned about Pres Obama's teachings and studies due to his lawyering up to keep records sealed is that he is only interested in the 14th admendment.

What the Democrats, left, liberals, socialist hate most in our Constitution is that it tells Government what it CAN'T do. Obama knows this. He chooses to ignore it, defy it.

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/...

President Obama ran about like a headless chicken imploring Americans to believe that the Supreme Court must show “deference” to Obamacare and concocting all sorts of superficial, non-legal and even non-Constitutional reasons for this.
One of the biggest fabrications I regularly hear about our President is that he is a “Constitutional Scholar”. Yet time and time again the President repeatedly shows he knows absolutely nothing about the Constitution. Some people suspect that he really does know the Constitution but that he actively chooses to ignore what he knows because his knowledge, if put into practice, destroys the ability for his liberal agenda to be moved forward. I completely disagree. The man is clearly a “Constitutional Dullard”.

Thank you Gandolf - Solitaire has not been a challenge for me today so I'm off to enjoy the rest of my day. You do the same.

Bowlgal- Are you aware that Obama was a lecturer at the University of Chicago, a very prestigious University? He lectured on Constitutional Law. His law degree is from Harvard Law School. I think he knows the constitution, maybe better than most of us.

Gandalf, It is very good to know that you are paying attention to Obama's deeds. Yes - Lybia.
Criticize if you must the little things. It must be your nature to "not sweat the small stuff"
I think you are smart enough to get my drift.

still waiting mouse.

Gandolf, I do think we both agree, both sides have had trouble in the past. I've just never seen it this (I can't find the word) - Threatening my future -word - giving my children mountains of debt -word - or blantanly ignoring our constitution word. It's so disgusting and vile and frankly it scares the hell out of me. Hilary would have been a much better President.

mouse, I bid YOU and your foolishness good day. But I'm still here to talk if you want to be serious. And, still waiting for your proof from both sides to open my mind. Until you can do that, don't bore me with your childish behavior.

Gandalf
Apr 15, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.
Obama has bypassed Congress more then any other President. He has also made recess appointments while Congress wasn't in recess and he has allocated funds without approval. Obama now has sent unauthorized dollars to beef up the IRS to inforce Obamacare much as the same way another Democrat Jackson did to the Native Americans and other appointments unapproved by Congress. My guess is he knows it will be ruled unconstitutional. Fast and Furious and his Interior Dept is in contempt of court on his drilling band which gives us every right to blame him for gas prices along with Keystone. Bush received approval unlike Obama with Syria and before you critize grammar/spelling- humble yourself with the following example.
Abraham Lincoln did away with the writ of habeas corpus

Mouse

Was there a rally on April 12th as the video says? I was at a rally yesterday (April 14), and there were almost 6,000 people there. Most of those photos were taken out near the sidewalk....where Zelinski and Sly had a little gathering. I think there were about 10 in their group, if you count the two little dogs in a dog buggy (not sure if they belonged to Sly or not).

Really mouse? I feel so sorry for you. You appear to come on just to fight with people and since I appear to be the only idiot to attempt to get an adult conversation out of you, I will say good day for now. Take a good look in the mirror however and see if you like what you see. Because from my view, it's just pitty I feel for you. I will leave hoping you have more to offer people in life then what you offer on this site.

No proof, no substance, no facts.
Show me the facts, that's all I ask. Why is that so hard for you mouse.

Classic - life is too too damn short to wait for mouse to act like an adult.

Again, mouse, don't spew statments - facts please.
How about a police report. If Walker is stealing, there must be a police report.

I'll play solitaire for a while for you to get those facts for me mouse.

mouse I'm calling you out. Prove to me how Walker is stealing Vet money. Open my eyes.
Not an opinion blog. One liberal newspaper and one conservative newpaper report so I may read both.

No Gandolf, my opinion is my opinion. I don't force it on you to like it. Just respect it. As for my grammer, I'm sorry for not proof reading to your liking. Again, an unnecessary critizism that I found mostly exist with the left.
Yes, Obama is the most unconstitutional President in our nation's history. That is a fact and if your mind is closed to only the left view, I can see how you would disagree.

I opened my eyes and my mind. I don't belong with the Democrats anymore. Not these leaders.

By the way, my posts from this morning were direct from a legislator that I wanted to know why the repeal of equal pay. Of course I see the left isn't interest in reading and getting serious information. They are simply pleased at going to the blog and rhetoric sites for misinformation. Then come here and play games with our future.

Gandalf
Apr 15, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
LibertyBelle, RAF, BowlGal, Fedup, wislady, donnaw, et. al., you always get nasty in your posts,
Please show me where? I voted for Obama and Democrats with a few exceptions until Obamacare and I seriously saw the distruction of America's Constitutional system and wow, when the Unions and fringe left took over the Democrat party here in Wisconsin I had to step back and take a serious look at my party. I discovered many many eye popping hyprocrisys and disdain for those who disagree with them.
Basically all that I see from you, mouse, anlert, etc who don't say anything. Critize, ridicule, besmurge, belittle and yet you know NOTHING about me or my life. There is more to people then a political view.
I challenge you to show me I'm wrong.
My exceptions were Paul Ryan and Scott Walker. I wasn't sure of my Walker vote at the time by was very upset the Obamacare. I'm so very proud of that vote now and can not wait to cast it again!

@nomores- Funny!

Well RAF- Gandalf is right on all three counts. You spew only the " party" line but you don't seem to be as unintelligent as some of your radical friends.

OK, kids, recess is over. Come back inside now.

Today's hypocrisy example comes courtesy of Gandalf who stated this nugget "...you always get nasty in your posts" complaining of others doing something.

Well. These other postings by the same person shows the same thing...what a hypocrite.

1. "...you make a great parrot, but a horrible original thinker."

2. "...you're as original as a Xerox copy"

3. "...you continually expose yourself as a typical so-called conservative shallow-thinker".

A GREAT day in Madison at the Tax Rally. It was fun to watch Sly get shouted down and relegated to the curb when he tried to interrupt the speaker!

http://youtu.be/kMM3Q65Q4_A

Gandalf, I agree. Echoing your witless dribble, that took no original or cognitive abilities from the beginning was easy to re-post. Identifying your posts for what they are, making you re-read them, exposed you as senseless, and showed your words were pointless from the beginning. You are welcome.

Isolate, personalize, marginalize - see how I did that. I've been listening to our President.

Gandolf - I could hear the same parrott talk from you but you are just like all the others who worship an idol called Alinsky. You don't have anything to say so you demonize. A+, go to the head of the class. Don't forget your dunce cap. Give me something worth reading.
Ditto to mouse droppings.

The news must be super slow, I posted two days ago on this story. It was worth taking another look
Midnight_Ride
Apr 14, 2012 at 3:45 p.m.- Yup, related to my post they are running scared
Bowlgal - Perfect!!!
Thanks for that info. It's a good example of how the left hopes upon hope you don't have enough good sense to get all the facts but provide for their base talking points with no substance. Perfect.

Gandalf, you're as original as a Xerox copy, and you continually expose yourself as a typical liberal shallow-thinker unable to really think for yourself.

Wisconsin's job growth is a figment of Walker's fragmented mind.

Yes bowgal- A closed mind is a terrible thing to waste. At least you and I agree on that one thing.

A closed mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Thank you WalterReuther for being my example of the left and how you don't read you just hate. It sure didn't take long.
I agree, woman should receive equal pay for equal work. I would therefore encourage you to write the White House and Pres. Obama and find out why his staff of ladies earn 18% less then the men. Often referred to as the "boys club" by those ladies who have left.

4 whole posts of bluster and diversion by bowlgal refuted in a few pointed and concise lines by gandalf. Well done.

It is important to improve Wisconsin’s business climate and not have businesses in worse shape than other states. While the new law may not benefit trial lawyers, it is one more step in improving Wisconsin’s business ranking and environment.

--and of course the left won't read these but marginalize the messager. Get educated not puppetized.

Prior to this new law, businesses already felt the anti-discrimination laws were a problem, since many claims are made when someone is fired. Even in the most frivolous cases, businesses may incur legal fees. Their management may need to spend time fighting lawsuits, rather than managing the company. There also is always the fear that even if they are innocent, an administrative law judge will find them guilty. While they don’t advertise this, I have been told that some Wisconsin businesses will automatically give claimants $5,000 - $10,000 if they file a discrimination case just to go away. To make matters worse, there is no risk incurred by filing a discrimination claim – people can make things up and nothing happens to them.

There was little precedent for the Democrats’ 2009 law. Most other states did not have a law like it. Our neighbors in Iowa and Michigan did not allow punitive damages. Minnesota capped punitive damages at $25,000.

Wisconsin’s business community wanted to go back to the pre-2009 law in which discrimination was outlawed, but a jury could not give $300,000 in punitive damages. Representatives of the manufacturers, the hospitals, the grocers, the insurers, the builders, restaurants and small businesses registered in favor of my bill.

While only a small portion of these claims were made by women who allege sex discrimination, many left-wing people are claiming we have a problem because there was a study which showed women made 75% as much as men. In fact, the Wall Street Journal reported last year that single women under the age of 30 earn 8% more than men. The “wage gap” occurred primarily because of married couples in which the man is the primary breadwinner and the woman has taken time out to raise children or is working fewer hours than the man.

We all know couples who arrange their life in this way. That is fine if mothers prefer to take time off for their families and young children. Some angry feminists may hate these sorts of married couples, but as long as they exist, “studies” will show men make more than women. This targeting of traditional families is unfortunate and this should be obvious.

People who feel that they are discriminated against can file a claim with the Department of Workforce Development. In 2007, 17% of claims were based on disability discrimination, 16% on race discrimination, 13% on sex discrimination, 13% on age discrimination, 7% on conviction record discrimination, with the rest based on other types of discrimination. Some sex discrimination claims are by men. Because left-wing media wants to portray Republicans as anti-women, they have reported this story as if Wisconsin’s anti-discrimination law is all about discrimination against women, when less than one-eighth of all discrimination claims in the state claim bias against women.

Before 2009, under state law, your damages were the amount you lost. If you were not hired or were fired, you would receive back pay. If you were underpaid, you would get additional pay, plus interest plus attorney costs and fees.

In 2009, the Democrats passed a bill which could have forced businesses to pay much more. After the state assesses damages, a jury could then also assess a business up to $300,000 in punitive damages depending on the size of the business. One should also remember that before and after the recently signed law that people may file a claim with the federal government.

If you look at the links posted on this site, a lot of the left lashes out with statements offering no facts. When you see this, any person with a brain would investigate and get the full story. Greatest example I have is the left spew of Republicans hate woman on the repeal of equal pay. I thought, this is not right until I investigated with claim.

Madison: Last week Governor Walker signed Act 219 into law, which repealed a two-year-old law signed by Governor Jim Doyle that affected discrimination claims. The left has been spreading much misinformation and many lies about this bill. I would like to set the record straight.

This law which I authored with Michelle Litjens (R-Oshkosh) which Governor Walker signed brought Wisconsin’s equal protection law back to what it was in 2009.

Number of valid signatures gathered to trigger recall election against Dan Kapanke: 21,776
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Number of votes for Kapanke's opponent, Jennifer Shilling, in the recall election in Aug. 2011: 33,193
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Number of valid signatures gathered to trigger recall election against Randy Hopper: 22,953
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Number of votes for Hopper's opponent, Jessica King, in the recall election in Aug. 2011: 28,191
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Number of valid signatures gathered to trigger recall election against Sheila Harsdorf: 23,685
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Number of votes for Harsdorf's opponent, Shelly Moore, in the recall election in Aug. 2011: 27,257
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Number of valid signatures gathered to trigger recall election against Luther Olsen: 22,207
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Number of votes for Olsen's opponent, Fred Clark, in the recall election in Aug. 2011: 24,355
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Number of valid signatures gathered to trigger recall election against Alberta Darling: 22,243
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Number of votes for Darling's opponent, Sandra K. Pasch, in the recall election in Aug. 2011: 34,071
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Number of valid signatures gathered to trigger recall election against Robert Cowles: 23,959
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Number of votes for Cowles' opponent, Nancy Nusbaum, in the recall election in Aug. 2011: 19,974
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Total validated signatures: 136,823
Total votes cast for Democratic opponents of Republican state senators targeted for recall: 167,041
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It's safe to say here that the number of signatures gathered during the recall petition signing process doesn't accurately represent the extent to which Democrats will turn out at the polls during the actual recall election. These 6 recall elections represent a sample of what can be expected statewide in typically Republican districts, a 22% increase from signatures to votes cast. The swing toward unfavorable sentiment that has occurred in districts like these, coupled with traditionally Democratic strong holds like Dane and Milwaukee counties (which have only gotten stronger), suggests that there will be a much larger number of votes for Walker's opponent than the 900,000+ validated signatures. If the numbers above hold true, they suggest that Barrett will come away with right around 1.1 million votes. That is 100,000 more votes than he had in 2010. That is also right around the number of votes that he lost by. So, if a net 100,000 people of the 2.16 million that voted have been courted away from the Walker side (which, again, the recall signature numbers indicate) Barrett could very well take this election.

The left-wingers on this thread spew a lot of garbage, but thankfully they represent a small and extreme group that is hollow of any substance except the partisan spin they get from msnbc, huff post, and the like, the worst sources of information. It's best just to ignore this bunch rather than futiley attempt to engage them in any type of meaningful dialog.

walker has no idea whats true
he is so full of himself

The SPIN continue by Walker, hey Scotty tell the truth about all the top secret emails, secret labtops, secret internet, etc within 20 - 25 feet of your desk in YOUR Milwaukee County office. It has also been shown of Walkers responsibility in hiring & promotion of Russell & Rindfleisch - also for their quick rise in pay and repsponsibilities. Take the time and read the facts, hard to not see all the felonies and misdemeanors, etc. The OPEN RECORDS investigation continues to reveal more. I am thankful for the FBI John Doe probe.
walkerinvestigation.com

Goons? Who is the group that blew horns in 90 year olds ears, boo the National Anthem, dressed like Zombies and protested Special Olympics, sent death threats, desecrated our Capitol, tried to intimated small business in Union Grove, and killed a family pet that had a "Stand with Walker" sign? All because Walker freed the Teachers and the taxpayers from Union oppression. If this group of people who call themselves Democrats aren't goons, then I'm proud to be a "goonie" because we don't roll that way.
We respect and honor our Constitution and applaud Scott Walker for his less government and less taxes approach.
Salute!

As you do your taxes folks, just notice that the workers pay a higher rate than the rich, and yet the rich get tax hikes from Walker and his friends. This is not about jobs: it's about transferring the wealth from those who make it -- the workers -- to profiteers. Recall Walker!

@gandalf and mouse- I know they are extreme and a little crazy. They don't know what they're talking about they are fed information to spew. Best to cite sources to prove them wrong when they actually post what they consider a fact. Kind of fun, isn't it?

@fedup- An excert from the Milwaukee Journal indicates that the DA's who are overseeing the John Doe investigation did NOT sign the recall petition.( See below) The accusation was originally put out by a Conservative group and Media Trackers has proven it to be false.

"...But prosecutors overseeing the long-running John Doe investigation of Walker's current and former aides weren't among those who signed, said Chisholm's top aide.

"My understanding is that none of the attorneys in this office involved in politically related investigations has participated in the recall process," said Chief Deputy District Attorney Kent Lovern."

Fedup and say hello to the Tea Party, ALEC and Americans for Prosperty goons!

Mouse
Apr 14, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.
...From the mouse link....."What never gets mentioned is that if one didn’t sign the Walker recall petition that they are siding with Walker. Simply stated, if you didn’t sign the recall petition, you are a Walker supporter"....

This conclusion simply stated is the recall efforts fell way short of those votes cast for Barrett in 2010.. about 200,000 plus.

Thank you mouse for that great news.

Thanks scooter. Your getting better at playing the shell game.

fedup -- do you ever read or watch the information posted by others? Your last comment to me does not make any sense if you did.

Here is some more news for you loyalists: http://www.wisdems.org/news/blog/view/20...

You can read the information before deciding on it -- at least if you are intellectually able to be open to the truth.

Recall the "Bait and Switch" governor: Read, or at least watch the video a the end of the article to hear him.
http://www.uppitywis.org/blogarticle/bre...

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Wisconsin values integrity. Scott Walker has no place in leadership of this state.

I wonder when the Gazzette will run an article that shows the latest WEAC study of his school reforms working? Our jobs are coming back after thousands and thousands left under Doyle and the Democrats. We no longer have a $3.6 billion deficit the Democrats were giving us. The Democrats don't care about our future and our children's future. Its that obvious. All those people who support the recall don't care either. All they care about is the free ride and mooching off of others. People like Mouse, Gary Primer, Janesvillean, SarahB, NVgrf and the other mis-guided fools that don't care about responsibilty nor accountability. I can't wait to see all you socialist bums cry when we the majority continue to reclaim Wisconsin from the goons that were destroying. The results are clear and they are working, so all you Recall fools can just choke on that!

recall walker

Eagle1 that is true how can either party defend themselves when they sit there and play the blame game where there is bickering and arguing and constant finger pointing at democrats and republicans to where it becomes sickening to listen and read about it day after day. Now the latest jobs losses in Kenosha can be blamed on the politicians the school district there may not have made cuts deep enough and you could blame the unions as well but what good would that do nothing. Because once jobs are gone weather it’s a union job or not the jobs are just gone. What needs to be done right now is and Wisconsin is not doing this. Is trying to figure out how to keep Wisconsin from losing more jobs. Instead of fighting and arguing and playing the blame game.

Well put, Walter. I share your concerns. Let's get back to "of the people, by the people and for the people" rather than "of the few, by the few and for the few".

Yes, Eagle, but what of us that want nothing more than the collapse of the entire system? Can't you see that those acting as "accesories" to the "destruction" are key actors to bringing about the revolution. There hasn't been this much political divisiveness since just before the Civil War. The storm is coming. Think long and hard about which side you'll end up on people. Who's prepared to face their brother, father, friend, or neighbor in battle? Is continually giving the ultra rich more power and control over our lives really worth pushing ourselves ever closer to that outcome. Rep or Dem has nothing to do with it. Many believe those silly party titles actually mean something because that's what we've been told to believe. The few moneyed elite that actually pull the strings behind the scenes know exactly how to manipulate the American people. We're so willing to pick a favorite side. Just look at the rabid loyalty people have to professional or college sports teams. Americans have such an intense hunger to feel like a "winner" that they must believe just as intensely in the idea of there being a "loser". That is why we are where we are and why we creep closer to the inevitability of a nationwide physical conflict everyday.

The blind partisan rhetoric on this thread is astounding, how can any of you defend either party as a whole? The GOP claims to be for smaller government then continues to promote it's growth for it's own benefit. The dems continue to spend an amazing amount with no way to pay other than to bang the drum for soaking the rich (which will not work at the spending rate) meanwhile when the dollar is devalued and inflation skyrockets because of the spending of both parties, who will be hurt the most? The middle class, wake up people you are accessories to your own destruction.

wislady,
Here's the last sentence from that article about the Obama family's tax return:
"The Obama’s untaxed gift to their daughters will leave American taxpayers to subsidize the college education of the children of the multi-millionaire Obamas."
Last I checked, a tax break isn't the same as laying the entire bill for the Obama daughters' college education on the American taxpayers. Just wanted to point out the hyper-partisan nature of the propaganda that you were linking your own comments to.

Obama has no plan, he throws something into the wind to see if it sticks. Even his 2 attempts at a "budget" got 0 votes from his own party.
"Obama's tax reform" is simply a tax hike and the creation of new loopholes.
How about he start talking about his record, instead of trying to demonize successful businesses.
After almost 4 years of failure, no budget, and more people on food stamps...it is time to clean out the WH. Maybe he and MO should consider being travel agents, they do have experience for that.

Koch bros. you got it right. If I might be so bold. You didn't mention Patriots, courageous, and of course job creators. But it's late and you are entitled... A big fan of social guidance .. :>)

a-citizen.. couldn't agree with you more. But wislady is about team, regardless of sensible/reasonable thought. You would be better off to ask Sen. Grothman what wislad thinks. She'll get back to you when she is told what she thinks. On a positive note, Scat Walker adds about his actual record is the best argument for his recall. If Wisconsin gets it wrong again I'll be looking forward to his next target. Bullying from the Capital, the best agenda for all of Wisconsin??????????

@wislady- You have argued against Obama's tax reform for a long long time. He wants the tax code changed to benefit the middle class and yet you posted and criticized the fact that he paid 20%. He and other Democratic Leaders have been very vocal about this inequality for years. They want the Bush tax cuts removed but you have been supporting the people who don't want the changes. Which is it? For or against change? If you want to continue to pay more than the average millionaire and billionaire vote Republican.

wis, you do know how the tax code works, right? Being in the top bracket doesn't mean you pay 35% on ALL your income. And everyone has exemptions and deductions. I'm not defending how much he paid or didn't pay, just 'splainin.
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http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_b...

"By posting the percentage that the Obamas paid in income tax, you are now arguing AGAINST the Republican political platform."

Don't know how you could A$$ume that. It does show what a hypocrite potus is though.

@Wislady- By posting the percentage that the Obamas paid in income tax, you are now arguing AGAINST the Republican political platform. Welcome to the club. Obama has consistantly said the he pays less in taxes than middle class people do and he wants that to change
( Buffet law). He has proposed that the wealthiest begin to pay a fair percentage. By the way, Romney paid slightly more in percentage than the Obama's but less of a percentage than I do. Where is that justice. You used to think it was okay for the wealthiest among us to pay less of a percentage- are you waking up?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interact...

Obama is enjoying the very same tax breaks for the rich he is railing against. You would think he could at least set an example and write a check to"share the wealth".

Mouse
Numbers and graphs are all available, and have been posted numerous times (including the hidden WEAC numbers). You obviously do not take the time to look at the information.
Unemployment is at 6.9%, and Wisconsin is doing better than many states. In fact, Wisconsin will no longer get the extended unemployment due to the unemployment numbers.

Extended Benefits Ending April 7, 2012 ** Update 03/19/2012 **
EB is also continued under the new bill (previously EB was to expire March 10, 2012). However, the EB period ends April 7, 2012 due to considerable improvement in Wisconsin’s economy.

http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/uiben/extended_...

Go have some cheese, and call it a day.

Obama Family Tax Shelter
First family transfers wealth, avoids taxes

"The Obamas paid a total federal tax rate of 20.5 percent on a gross adjusted income $789,674, which would typically fall within the top federal rate of 35 percent. According to an analysis of the president’s tax return, he may have paid a lower rate than his secretary despite making more than eight times as much money as she did."

http://freebeacon.com/obama-family-tax-s...

Did WEAC find their missing surveys yet?

The Walker add reminds me of an old Castaways song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT3cprcDY...

recall walker...

NOMORERES - A BIG thank you for your intelligent comment about public workers who did accept the benefits from the employer - you explained it quite well, NO big salary packages were ever close to being offered in the past. They were basically told no salary raises, but we will improve the benefits package and that is what they got. People like WISnotLADY & KAYSBREWski - don't get - might as well talk to a wall. They accept the lies of Walker & friends.
walkerinvestigation.com
**Some news reports are NOW starting to show reports that they have documents that link Walker to JOHN DOE!

wislady, your comment below would be much better directed at the 1% than at public workers. Then it would be correct. You and so many others seem eager to ignore or forget that the public employees accepted attractive benefits rather than wage increases for years. As it turns out they did well in doing so, now you and others like you seem to think they didn't deserve them. Perhaps you don't know what fair is.

"Gandalf

So as the costs go up, the public union workers shouldn't share the burden? They act as if they are a protected class of people.

Sorry, but I believe everyone should pay their fair share. It just that some people are not accustomed to it, so it is a shock to them."

Gandalf

So as the costs go up, the public union workers shouldn't share the burden? They act as if they are a protected class of people.

Sorry, but I believe everyone should pay their fair share. It just that some people are not accustomed to it, so it is a shock to them.

"$1 billion dollars out of the state's economy that resulted from Walker's theft of pay from public workers' paychecks"

And who do you think paid for the pension and health insurance before the public union workers started paying for THEIR own benefits?

recall walker

Mouse

It's all good, glad to see the governor is busy doing the job we elected him to do.

Thank you, Scott Walker.

Devilsadvocate
You are missing some of your "facts". The law that addresses equal pay/discrimination is a Federal Law and is still law.

There Is No War on Women in Wisconsin

"But simply put, there is no great sex-discrimination problem in Wisconsin workplaces that is not being addressed by federal law and preexisting state laws. Further, by making it easier to extract punitive damages from businesses, the 2009 law made Wisconsin companies vulnerable to frivolous claims.
Between the EEOC, the federal courts, and the Department of Workforce Development, workers in Wisconsin who face sex discrimination have plenty of options for being made whole. There is no reason to add state circuit courts to the mix and hand them the authority to award massive punitive damages. The Wisconsin legislature was wrong to do so in 2009, and Governor Walker was correct to repeal the law last week."

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/2...

Gandalf "you conveniently ignore the fact that the job losses that occured during Doyle's last term were directly related to the national recession caused by the horrible policies of the Republican president Bush."

???What??? All this time the left has been talking about Walker's job losses when we (by your argument) should be blaming Obama and his God awful policies!!

Bottom line the left has come out in full force telling the candidates NOT to talk about unions or collective bargaining because it's a losing argument..The reason we are in this recall mess in the first place. You lose! New arguement needed.

Eagle1, I agree somewhat with your post, but in no way can one claim that Obama is a far left socialist. He is quite a centrist, as seen from his policies so far. He is certainly not the progressive Dem that many wanted him to be.

I think the Democrats see the sad writing on the wall. They don't even want to run on the Unions big money reason for the recall. They want to focus on jobs?? Okay, let's focus on jobs and the high unemployment under Doyle that Walker is steadily reversing.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) quietly signed a bill last night (04-06-2012) that repeals a law that gave women and others more power to challenge wage discrimination. The Equal Pay Enforcement Act, passed in 2009 was repealed a week ago, yet the only news I could find on it was at the national level. Republican leaning local newspapers apparently chose to ignore it. Whether Walker and the republicans logic, on this issue, is right or wrong is a mute point. To intentionally aggravate 51% of the electorate, in such a "Neanderthal" manner,just prior to a recall election, is just plain stupid.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04...

MadeInUSA, everything you say about Walker negatively can easily be said about Obama and the Dems, neither party monolpolizes the abilities to screw things up

I agree Fear and thank you for the compliment I think the problem is the two parties, an earlier post pointed out Walker has an extreme right wing christian agenda, that may very well be just as one can make the case Obama has a left wing extreme socialist agenda. I think what both of these examples point out is that government is too big and both parties use it to promote their agendas. We the people have given them this power through the surrendering of our freedoms and responsibilities. I hate to say it but it may be too far gone to reverse the damage this ever growing government is causing. For a Libertarian like myself it is very frustrating because at times I see things individual politicians do that help to slow or impede the destruction large government does, but overall I have no hope either party will have the interest of the citizens in mind overall when holding on to power is goal number one. It really does become a question of lesser of two evils with them.

Eagle1- Very sensible honest post from a conservative with his/her head screwed on straight. Unfortunately this climate of political scoreboard watching it doesnt matter who says what anymore. Whern jobs are shed its Obamas fault, when they are added is because of Scott Walker. Reality no longer exists.

Just wondering when this liberal paper will ever run a similar article, but with a line.. Unions tout..... Fortunately, I had a decent education at a small non unionized school district many years ago. I know the difference between denotation and connotation. So, apparently does this paper. No wonder my comment about Mary Taylor didn't get printed.

Walker is continually trying to deceive Wisconsinites into believing that his agenda is about jobs and business growth to divert attention away from his radical right-wing religious fundamentalist social engineering. He and his rich Republican friends have even seized upon using the terms "freedom" and "free market" to mask their desire for plutocracy, privitization and biblical law.

No politician should ever take credit for jobs created, if they create a climate that helps produce jobs by keeping government out of the way of the private sector they are just doing their job. If jobs drop they should get some blame if it is a large decrease and they helped create a climate that is anti-business, something this state knows all too well.

Let's face it. This state has about 45% of voters being hard-core Walker supporters and about 45% being hard-core Walker opponents. Both sides are quite firmly entrenched and claim to be intelligent and aware of the issues.

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Then there is that final 10% - those who are "one the fence" about Walker and his policies. I would guess that few of those 10% read or participate in these forums, or the rest of the news, for that matter. So we're looking at swaying about 6% of the least educated, least informed voters. Why not put out ads filled with half-truths and distorted facts? That 10% probably isn't checking up on it, and will likely ignore anyone who does. Just gotta catch their attention for a minute and you win. Both sides play this game, although I think Walker has perfected it.

Interesting since we hear more about jobs being cut, businesses closing, etc. than we do about jobs being created.

Why would anyone brag about creating jobs in other states & China?

WOW - jobs were added even in the dreadful Obama recession! Scott should have no problem getting to 250k job growth by 2015. Well, that is unless Obummer gets re-elected. In that case, we won't have jobs. We will have government assigned tasks that must to be complete to get our food & clothing tickets so we can go to the government owned store to get our food and clothing! Don’t worry, the chosen (based on their continuous and obnoxious protesting of the ‘correct’ opinions) will be given everything they want – sadly, they will still complain!

LOL - so are you - Have a good weekend!

kaysbrew,
We get it. You're really proud of that post. You've put it up at least twice now (9:49 am & 12:40 pm). Honestly, what does Hilary Rosen have to do with Walker, Barrett, Falk, etc?

kaysbrew,
We get it. You're really proud of that post. You've put it up at least twice now (9:49 am & 12:40 pm). Honestly, what does Hilary Rosen have to do with Walker, Barrett, Falk, etc?

All he can do is run on his own sad job creation record. When he tries to go after Democrats (Jim Doyle, for example) he gets the "Pants on Fire" treatment from Politifact. Amazing how he doesn't know the record of his own party especially considering he was in the state assembly at the time.
This one's a good read:
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/stat...

I'd be happy to see the AP tell us about Falk claiming to balance her county budgets in her ads by raising taxes (oh, sorry, she left that out of her ads) and Barrett using ACT 10 tools for his city ( oh, sorry, he left that out of his ads)...LOLOLOL
Any job is a good job. Right Hilary Rosen?

It's as though the Walker camp can't foresee the Democrats taking his ad and turning it into their own ad about how Walker doesn't tell the whole truth. Not very bright, but we already knew that, didn't we?

Mouse said:
"I have aword for you..... ashamed.
I would be ashamed to associate my self with someone who attacks womens rights and equal pay.
I would be ashamed to pick non school kids education.
I would be ashamed to look a fire fighter in the face after he just save a life.
I would be ashamed to look a police officer in the face and tell him, your not worth your job.
Yes I would be ashamed to put a sign in my yard backing someone that needs to employe attornies for reasons like WALKER."
I hope Mouse is not a teacher, as there is not a single line of that post that is free from errors in spelling or grammar. BTW, the last I knew, emergency responders were not included in the law changes.

Wonder if kay is including the added cost of republican induced primary elections into the $20 million she owes the state for her share of the recall. Without that her cost would be lower.

Of course he fails to mention how many jobs have been lost. Last time I took math, if you subtract say, 10,000, then add 17,000, that's a net gain of 7,000. But I'm sure Scooter probably learned simple addition and subtraction a bit differently, much like most politicians when they want to juke the stats in their favor.

I tried to bring in some common sense using Democrats in their own words but the only ones who listen openly are the right posters.

I apologize to all my family, and pray I was never this ignorant narrow minded when I was voting Democrat. So very happy I'm not like that anymore. People like mouse...WOW! Get help!

This Recall is all and only about the union's control of Wisconsin's purse strings. The job situation in Wisconsin is a direct result of the union ruckus these past 14 months creating an unstable atmosphere.
kaysbrew: I saw that former Mayor Dave of Madison knows Democrats can't win on the very reason this recall exists. As he wrote in the Isthmus.

..Wisconsin is not primarily a union state. It's an independent state. Only 14% of Wisconsin workers belong to a union, down from 21% two decades ago. Moreover, the big public employee unions (WEAC and AFSCME) are not all that popular with voters. People might love their kid's teacher, but not necessarily his union. Police, fire and trade unions do better with independents, and most of those unions have been smart to stay out of the race until the Democratic field was set.

For those - Former Mayor Dave is a Democrat and the Isthmus.com is a left leaning site.

Word of the day waste - 9 million dollars

Sorry BS1, LOL -not 20 million - 9 million according to the JSonline. What's 9 million to the rich fat cat liberals?

WEAC numbers put forth by the Walker administration are skewed because the surveys were done differently. But to some factual statistics like that are meaningless when trying to put forth an ideology. The FACTS are that there are :

She said it was all political, and indicated it was an attempt to divert attention from more preliminary layoff notices going out to teachers at districts around the state. Final notices of nonrenewal are due by May 15.

In response to why the old survey data disappeared off the WEAC site, Bell said the union hadn't conducted its own superintendent surveys for two years before the WASDA-DPI survey, and that its site had been revamped during that time and the data had not stayed on the site.

Turner, from WASDA, said it's inaccurate to compare the most recent survey - which had a 90% response rate from superintendents, and which collected district-level data to post publicly - with the past surveys that had been conducted by WEAC.

Turner said they weren't involved in the data collection of the previous WEAC surveys, but he said the surveys had about a 60% or 70% response rate and were anonymous, so it's impossible to tell what was happening in which districts.

He called the comparison of the WASDA-DPI survey to the past WEAC-conducted surveys, which WASDA then distributed to its members, "apples to doughnuts."

"The old numbers are irrelevant," Turner said.

There are about 2000 less teachers working in Wisconsin since Walker took office. That is the number you might want to pay attention to, or not, depending on what website you visit.
Sad that reality and perception of reality seems to be determined by your favorites on Internet explorer! Not by how many educators are actually employed compared to how many
were before the "reforms".

Hey Slick Willie, how's that John Doe investigation going??? Your days are numbered either way!

the waste is in the recall. that is costing the hard working wisconsin taxpayers money that could be used somewhere else.

Remember when Walker said the capital cleanup was going to cost 7.5 million but it ended up only costing 200k instead? That even included repairs from damage before the protests. I am SO tired of Walker's fuzzy math and number manipulation. I want him out and I'm not even a public or union worker.

Unions have done that. 14% vs the 86%. Cut and dry. Just know that we are extremely prepared to turn out and protect our Governor and our state.

Scooters days are numbered. He has alienated this state so bad. Be good to see him gone!

The recall isn't about jobs either. It's not even about Walker at this point with me. It's about saving the state as Bowlgal points out from union control.

Nice job BowlGal. I can't add to it.
---The best part is you put mouse into a incoherent frenzy.

Perfect on point bowl gal

kaysbrew: I saw that former Mayor Dave of Madison knows Democrats can't win on the very reason this recall exists.

Never about jobs, like Obama won't (can't) run on his record.

Thanks bowl gal - mouse is dodging. I don't read the Isthus rag.

This Recall is all and only about the union's control of Wisconsin's purse strings. The job situation in Wisconsin is a direct result of the union ruckus these past 14 months creating an unstable atmosphere.
kaysbrew: I saw that former Mayor Dave of Madison knows Democrats can't win on the very reason this recall exists. As he wrote in the Isthmus.

..Wisconsin is not primarily a union state. It's an independent state. Only 14% of Wisconsin workers belong to a union, down from 21% two decades ago. Moreover, the big public employee unions (WEAC and AFSCME) are not all that popular with voters. People might love their kid's teacher, but not necessarily his union. Police, fire and trade unions do better with independents, and most of those unions have been smart to stay out of the race until the Democratic field was set.

For those - Former Mayor Dave is a Democrat and the Isthmus.com is a left leaning site.

eliberate mouse.

Wisconsin has been the worst state in the country in job growth last 15 months??.....Last Place!.....whoot whooot its working....Walkers a joke

Lost in this is the FACT the unions and Democrats have cost each and every one of us 20 million dollars in this pathetic recall. 14% of our state was unionized. 20 million dollars to the other 86% for 14% of the population. Oh, and big union power, and greed.

MADISON—Today Governor Walker’s office released a summary of what WEAC was saying about education in the last decade, along with a comparison to their recent comments.

“Schoolchildren are benefiting from Governor Walker’s education and budget reforms,” said Governor Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie. “It’s unfortunate that big government union bosses are refusing to do what is right for the children, which they could do by releasing survey data and bringing their rhetoric in line with their own results. While WEAC is scrambling to hide their own data, Governor Walker will continue to move Wisconsin forward.”

WEAC Then

WEAC in 2003: Doyle Vows to Defend State's Tradition of Great Schools
http://www.weac.org/news_and_publication...

WEAC survey results in 2003: 69% of school districts laid off teachers, 68% of school districts increased class size, 73% of school districts increased student fees, 51% reduced extracurricular programs.
http://www.weac.org/news_and_publication...

WEAC in 2005: VISIONS OF A “DOYLE-LESS” WORLD
http://www.weac.org/wcea/Newsletters/200...

WEAC survey results in 2005: 62% of school districts laid off teachers, 74% of school districts increased class size, 67% of school districts increased student fees, 54% of school districts reduced extracurricular programs.

WEAC in 2006: Doyle comes to the rescue for great schools, Wisconsin's future

WEAC survey results from 2006: 62% of school districts laid off teachers, 75% of school districts increased class size, 67% of school districts increased student fees, 56% of school districts reduced extracurricular programs.

WEAC Now

WEAC in 2011: Governor Walker is taking action to destroy our great state.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/117...

Survey results in 2011: 31% of school districts laid off teachers, 59% of school districts increased class size, 22% of school districts increased student fees, 8% of school districts reduced extracurricular programs.

Right wislady, if people like Buffet even PAID their taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kaysbrew

Maybe they should call it the "buffet" tax....so successful business entrepreneurs get punished for success, and have to feed the people who don't want to contribute.

How many jobs have the nation lost these past 3 years? Lost and gone never do be replaced until we get Republicans back in charge.
I'll take 8100 jobs. Growing the Economy and not raging war on everything from women to the rich. SAD
Thank you Governor Walker

Buffet rule will net about 4.7 billion per year which under Obama's current spending spree will pay 3 days of interest. Loser!

cleej30

Maybe it was an error...how about posting again....exactly as it was. I missed it.

looks like gazette site staff are walker supporters cause removed my comment , don't know why no bad words just said my mother and others lost jobs last month after company shut down

Thank you, Scott Walker!

recall walker.

I'd be happy to see the AP tell us about Falk claiming to balance her county budgets in her ads by raising taxes (oh, sorry, she left that out of her ads) and Barrett using ACT 10 tools for his city ( oh, sorry, he left that out of his ads)...LOLOLOL
Any job is a good job. Right Hilary Rosen?

Its all semantics, and no one will be changed by these ads. Wish we could just vote next week, what a waste of time/money.

8100 in one year vs zero in 8 from Doyle. Also, since the Democrats like to use "jobs saved". How many teachers jobs were saved since ACT10? WEAC doesn't want you to know..
some fun facts - the WEAC survey taken from 2002 - 2011 results they tried to hide after releasing 11/2011 survey because it shows just how GREAT Act 10 is for students and school districts.
Jim Doyle/Democrats vs. Walker and Act 10
Increase in student fees 75% Doyle only 22% Walker....Deduction is sports and activities 50% Doyle only 11% Walker....Teacher Layoffs 70% Doyle only 31% Walker - and that 31% would surely be lower if some districts like Janesville didn't rush to sign with the blue fisters before ACT10. And Walker has only had one year with ACT10. Imagine how wonderful this will be in 4 years. One year school saving so far $916,866,322.00. It is about the kids. Thank you Republicans, for this you are getting recalled.
http://www.reforms.wi.gov/

He is a college drop-out....obviously not good at math. RECALL WALKER!

I guess you missed the part of the article that says we LOST jobs last year. He also promised to create 250,000 jobs, guess he didn't specify that he would loose that many first and then gain them back.

Good job Walker! I think hes doing great.... why hate a guy who is trying and achieving?