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Democrat: Wis. GOP recall challenges won't stand

By ASSOCIATED PRESS   Friday, February 10, 2012 - 11:32 a.m.
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MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Four Republican Wisconsin state senators targeted by recall efforts will fail to successfully challenge enough petition signatures to stave off elections, a Democrat organizing efforts to replace them predicted Friday.

A cursory review of the signature challenges the four lawmakers submitted to the Government Accountability Board on Thursday shows that they haven't met the threshold to prevent the elections, said Zac Kramer, who heads the group tasked with electing Democrats to the state Senate.

Petition circulators have until Tuesday to make their own counter-arguments. The board has until March 19 to determine if enough signatures were collected to trigger elections seeking the recall of Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, of Juneau; Pam Galloway, of Wausau; Terry Moulton, of Chippewa Falls; and Van Wanggaard, of Racine.

All four asserted that new legislative boundaries should have been in effect for the petition circulation period and any elections. The GAB has said those boundaries don't take effect until the fall elections. The issue is also part of three ongoing lawsuits.

All four senators are challenging more than enough signatures under that argument to stop the elections. However, if the senators lose on that argument, and the old boundaries are in effect, only Fitzgerald challenges enough to stop an election. It's not clear if Moulton contests enough since the GAB has only posted estimates of how many signatures were submitted.

The challenges for Wanggaard and Galloway would fall short by more than a thousand signatures each.

Kramer said the challenges Fitzgerald was making were frivolous and wouldn't stand. He said Fitzgerald inflated his challenge total by wrongly alleging some petitions were missing required data that they weren't, double counting some of his challenges and making data entry errors.

Petitions were also submitted last month to force recall elections for Republican Gov. Scott Walker and Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch. Walker's deadline for challenging signatures is Feb. 27 and Kleefisch's is March 5.

The recall drives, which have been spearheaded by the Democratic Party, organized labor and concerned citizens, were largely motivated by anger over the Walker-proposed law the Republican-led Legislature pushed through last year that stripped most public workers of collective bargaining rights.

Walker and Republicans argued the changes, which also increase in the amount public workers had to pay for health insurance and pension contributions, were necessary to deal with a $3.6 billion budget. But opponents said the law was intended to cripple the unions, which overwhelmingly back the Democrats.

Republicans hold a 17-16 majority in the Senate, meaning Democrats would only need to pick up one seat to take over. However, the Legislature will be done meeting for the year by the time of any recall and the fall elections will determine makeup of the Senate starting in 2013.

State Rep. Donna Seidel of Wausau said she would take on Galloway. Former state Rep. Kristin Dexter of Eau Claire will challenge Moulton and former Sen. John Lehman of Racine will run against Wanggaard.

Lori Compas, the woman who organized the recall drive against Fitzgerald, has said she is considering challenging him.




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fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 14, 2012 at 1:05 a.m.
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What does that even mean? They all supported it, both parties. Cause you hate Gwen Moore that makes her support for it somehow more important to the issue?
The fact is that Republicans in both houses of the legislature(and some Democrats) are now proposing that we TRIPLE the size of this POS program, inclusing your beloved Eagle Scout!! I also would bet my house on it that Alberta Darling would vote for it again, IF Scotty told her to. Has she ever voted outside the party line? Have any of them?Other than Dale Schultz? They are all a bunch of gutless cowards, talking a big game for you to have soundbytes that mean NOTHING!!!

wislady
Feb 13, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
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"A template for the bill was faxed by the CAPCO's parent to then-state Sen. Gwen Moore (D-Milwaukee), who became..... the chief sponsor, according to records examined by the newspaper."

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 12, 2012 at 8:08 p.m.
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Amy Young, strategic projects and policy adviser for the Wisconsin Economic Development Corp., defended the approach.

"Perhaps the heading is wrong but, from the start of the program the assumption was that the investments by the CAPCOs were incenting the existing jobs as well as creation," she said.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 12, 2012 at 8:07 p.m.
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So is Alberta saying she got snookered the first time? Wanna bet she votes for a three times larger plan?
Why call out Gwen Moore for supporting the bill, when your hero AlBerta supported it as well! She voted for it, but now because she "says" she wouldnt vote for it again, you believe it? LOL, now that is a funny one. You believe poiticians from a certain side, because they lie to you with an R next to their name? Maybe you should try less making every argument about partisan affiliation and more about what they have and have not done.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 12, 2012 at 7:59 p.m.
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So Alberta Darling has a problem? Fitzgerald obviously doesn't:
Despite the program's poor performance, state elected officials have been lobbied to revive CAPCO investing on a much larger scale. The firms spent $250,000 last year lobbying in Madison - and a group of Assembly Republicans, with support from Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald (R-Horicon), has been reluctant to leave them out of a proposed state program to fund new companies.

In the last week, as the Journal Sentinel was preparing its story, the CAPCOs, or certified capital companies, officially withdrew from lobbying.

You can point to one party all you like, and ill point right back to further inconsistencies in your party as well, we can do this all day long.

wislady
Feb 12, 2012 at 5:55 p.m.
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fearandrhetoric4dummies

If you are using the same article for all your "information", you left out this part....

"It was a very bad outcome for the taxpayers," Darling said, adding that she would never again vote for a CAPCO plan. "The relationship was not set up with transparencies and clear expectations of outcomes.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/s...

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 12, 2012 at 4:37 p.m.
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Gov. Scott Walker and many Senate members from both parties support a new investment program in which the state would raise about $100 million.
Efforts to pass the Senate's venture capital program stalled last fall when Fitzgerald, who is running for U.S. Senate, said he preferred a bigger program that would include a role for CAPCOs. He asked Reps. Mike Kulglitsch (R-New Berlin), Gary Tauchen (R-Bonduel) and John Klenke (R-Green Bay) to craft the alternative Assembly plan.

Lobbyists for the CAPCOs advocated an approach similar to the one they sold to lawmakers in 1999. The CAPCOs said they would tap insurance company investors and finance young businesses to propel the state's economy, if the state would front them the money through future tax revenue.
Legislation to subsidize venture capital investing had stalled. The last plan from the Assembly lawmakers proposed tripling the amount of state money the CAPCOs manage, from $50 million in the original program to $150 million.
I could care LESS which party started it, why ON EARTH would any anti-big govt conservative support it.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 12, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
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AND the representative promoting the TRIPLING of the funds for this program was????

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 12, 2012 at 4:32 p.m.
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AND the representative promoting the TRIPLING of the funds for this program was????

wislady
Feb 12, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.
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CAPCO.....interesting that the fact it started in 1998 and ran though 2010, was SPONSORED by Gwen Moore. It was passed in a bipartisan manner....democrats controlled the senate and republicans the assembly.
The question is....why does the article list 9 republicans and 1 democrat (sponsor G Moore)?

In July 2010, UW Madison professor David A. Nichols did a study of the 10 year CAPCO program and labeled it a success. (Oops)!

http://www.capcoprogram.com/2010/07/wisc...

By the way, governor from 1998-2010 was????

Mouse
Feb 12, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
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Poor Fritz!

Mouse
Feb 12, 2012 at 1:49 p.m.
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http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=7126...
I think this shows the way some will complain and claim to be fed up taxpayers, yet allow Walker to lead them over the cliff.
Some fed up tax payers obviously don't get the concept of what Walker is being paid to do.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 12, 2012 at 1:35 p.m.
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I am interested to hear the defenders of the Governor and how he is a "steward of our taxpayer dollars" on this one!! BTW I am aware that this has been going on for a long time, it seems that the Repubs want to triple the size of this "Government Program". Kinda flies in the face of getting government out of the free-markets, no??

Mouse
Feb 12, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
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Fedup taxpayers facts worth watching.
http://cognidissidence.blogspot.com/
This one is worth making popcorn for.
Cheese popcorn is my favorite...... just ask Feduptaxpayer and the Walker gang.

poobah
Feb 12, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.
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Of course it's outrageous, fear! It would be outrageous even in times of economic prosperity. This is what happens when legislative proposals are hammered out in secret, in some smoke-filled room in the basement of the Capitol. See the Gazette article about how Republicans work in secrecy instead of conducting the people's business in the open daylight: [ http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2012/feb... ]

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 12, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.
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http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/s...

Worth a look see, especially since I see so many conservatives smashing the president and the recovery act for cost per job, this seems outrageous to me in an era of record cuts to public ed, that this type of bribery/extortion goes on.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 12, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
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Interesting article in the JS today, wonder if creating jobs in Wisconsin should cost 247,000 taxpayer dollars per job?
A state-subsidized investment program yielded huge returns for three out-of-state financial firms and their partners while netting just 202 new jobs for Wisconsin, at a cost of more than $247,000 per job, a Journal Sentinel analysis has found.

The investment firms, called CAPCOs, were far more successful at making money for their owners and partners than they were at launching start-ups and creating jobs. They paid millions to cover their owners' taxes on profits. They didn't share any of those investment profits with the state. And they didn't have to, because the program was poorly drafted and had minimal state oversight, the Journal Sentinel found.

Despite the program's poor performance, state elected officials have been lobbied to revive CAPCO investing on a much larger scale. The firms spent $250,000 last year lobbying in Madison - and a group of Assembly Republicans, with support from Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald (R-Horicon), has been reluctant to leave them out of a proposed state program to fund new companies.

Mouse
Feb 12, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.
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Fed taxpayer are not interested in mice ..... now we have to take care of the Roachy "Koch"
infestation.
Fed up taxpayers only need to irradicate this infestation, before it ruins Wisconsin water.
I suppose they are the human form of ZEBRA MUSCLES.

MadCityDad
Feb 12, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
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Oops - should be "because he is..."

MadCityDad
Feb 12, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
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"the anti Walker posters always use the "drop out" as a means to attempt to sway others into believing that he is somehow unintelligent and should not be our Governor"
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Ummm that's he is unintelligent and should not be our Governor.

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 12, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
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Recall Mouse and force him to buy and use Koch products. Just call it commnunity service/ :)

Mouse
Feb 12, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
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Voto..... Hendricks backed education.......
what does that say for your friend Walker?
Was Walker just using the cash again for the wrong reasons?

Mouse
Feb 12, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.
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Fed up citizens RECALL WALKER..... BOYCOTT KOCH PRODUCTS.
We're fed up of Walker, and not going to take it anymore.

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 12, 2012 at 7:39 a.m.
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vatoloco - the anti Walker posters always use the "drop out" as a means to attempt to sway others into believing that he is somehow unintelligent and should not be our Governor. I find this amusing as over the years I have heard many brag about the party days of college and how they just by to get their piece of paper.

Just one of many off the Union Puppet Scripts that is being used.

vatoloco
Feb 11, 2012 at 10 p.m.
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"Please don't characterize Hendricks and Walker as one and the same based only on the fact that neither of them finished college. Even if he earned a doctorate, Walker (IMO) would never outsmart Hendricks. College degree or not, Hendricks was an original."

Sarah

Many of the posters on here blast uneducated people simply because they didn't finish high school or college....what does being educated really mean?

Koch_Bros
Feb 11, 2012 at 10 p.m.
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Vataloco -fresh of worshipping Javon Bea and his salary and all that he does for Janesville. All the jobs he creates and what not for that non-profit entity. The president of the RGFC, Rich Guy Fan Club.

Koch_Bros
Feb 11, 2012 at 9:57 p.m.
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Sentimental Hogwash

vatoloco
Feb 11, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.
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": I loved Ken Hendricks; I loved what he did for my hometown of Beloit; I loved how he opened his own checkbook to help out a work peer of mine, etc. But there was only one Ken Hendricks. To imply he is a pattern for others is an insult to Hendricks and his family. There was only one Ken Hendricks."

He represents what people should strive to be, loyal, hard workers, appreciative,

and

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Give Back

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http://www.abcsupply.com/about-us/core-p...

vatoloco
Feb 11, 2012 at 9:49 p.m.
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"He was a very educated person."

A high school drop out Hendricks was...yet we have posters on here who slam Walker for being a college drop out.....education isn't solely about retaining facts/ information in your brain like bank deposits.....

Koch_Bros
Feb 11, 2012 at 8:53 p.m.
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It doesn't matter if a wealthy main is a nice guy or not - all that matters is that he wields power over government way beyond his single vote.

Mouse
Feb 11, 2012 at 6:37 p.m.
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shame wislady.... shame, and you know it.

wislady
Feb 11, 2012 at 6:23 p.m.
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Mouse

Obviously you didn't read the left wing blog.

Mouse
Feb 11, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.
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wislady you again simply avoid answering...... facts.
Plus to use Hendricks and Kochs in the same vein, even you should be ashamed.

wislady
Feb 11, 2012 at 5:30 p.m.
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This is what liberals think of Hendricks.....

Meet Wisconsin's Koch

Lot's of attention has been paid to the billionaire brothers dirty, David and Ed Koch, since Walker spilled the ideological and illogical underpinnings of his attack on Wisconsin's employed in a phone conversation he had with a reporter posing as billionaire David Koch of Koch Industries. But flying under the radar in the midst of it all is Wisconsin's very own ideologically skewed billionaire, none other than Beloit's Diane Hendricks.

http://rocknetroots.blogspot.com/2011/03...

ABC remains a privately held company.

Koch_Bros
Feb 11, 2012 at 5:17 p.m.
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SarahB, lol- you should come on over to the side of the Red White and Blue.
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Lots of perks to being part of the Patriots. For starters you never are wrong, billionaires will back you on that. The only way you could be wrong would be if you didn't get the Patriot talking points.
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And guess what? you never have to form your own thoughts or opinions ever again. We fund think tanks that do it for you. And you will see the merit in blindly supporting this, because that is how you win, and winning is fun.
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And that is not all you get, we give you enemies and scapegoats for all life's problems - like teacher unions, democrats, public education, and egalitarianism.
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We do give you things to believe in as well. Such as Obama is an evil socialist mooslem. And in the spirit of free thinking, you get to choose to believe whether Obama was born in Kenya OR the Phillipines.
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And do not forget the Magic of Patriotism! You get to experience the Magic of the Silent Hand...ooohs and aaahhs! --which now means when we empower and give kickbacks to the wealthy then a rain of golden prosperity trickles down to all!(except them liberals, of course - you have to sign onto the pyramid scheme if you want to benefit- lol).
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Don't forget the great jobs we give you too- such as posting on internet forums about your Patriotism. Nevermind that Walker's staff was arrested for doing that on the govt clock - it was all for a great cause, you will surely agree.
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And last but not least, you get an official tri-cornered hat and a crispy little American flac to wave. Please give it some thought Sarah B.

wislady
Feb 11, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.
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Mouse
Prove differently, your opinion doesn't make it fact.

Mouse
Feb 11, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.
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Wislady.... Hendricks gave money to Walker....but your statement that he leaned toward Walkers agenda...... you are dead wrong.
Financial affiliation can be used in many forms........ Gingrich recently had a Vegas million dollar man feeding him. (That soon stopped).
You need to do your homework, before you rant and rave.

wislady
Feb 11, 2012 at 4:29 p.m.
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SarahB1

I knew Ken Hendricks also, ABC is a supplier for a family business. I NEVER said Walker would outsmart Hendricks, where do you get those silly notions? You are the one who compared their schooling, I compare their thoughts on business and politics. Obviously, Hendricks supported Walker.

wislady
Feb 11, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.
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SB1

Jan 17, 2012 : Democrats deliver 152,000 petitions to recall Scott Walker, but by the time the GAB releases the petitions for review the number of pages dropped to 143,784!

MISSING....8,216 petition pages!

http://www.putwisconsinfirst.com/PageNot...

wislady
Feb 11, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.
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SarahB1

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? If Hendricks and his company supported Walker through contributions, it would be safe to assume that he approved of Walker and held the same political leanings.
Any odd assumption you come up with, are your own doing.

Koch_Bros
Feb 11, 2012 at 3:03 p.m.
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Minuteman (or woman) Feduptaxpayer (lol) - my other incarnation would be Midnight_Ride.
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We are both full of patriotism.
We both hate taxes.
We both love the wealthy -Job Creators.
We hate public education.
We like Scott Walker. No matter what.
We care soley about right wing power, and that end always justifies the means - even Scotties occassional lie and corruption ----haaahaaha. All for a good cause.
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Maybe I'll sign in as Midnight_Ride later to advance the cause. Or become "DarnANGRYTaxayer" and sign in.... As you obviously agree, there is important work to be done here on the Jazette forum Har har. Beautiful.

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 11, 2012 at 2:21 p.m.
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Koch - you sounding mousie today.

Koch_Bros
Feb 11, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
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My Patriots have been working so hard, that I've decided to honor y'all with honorary induction into the Order of the Minutemen.
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As you know -Minutemen were members of teams of select vigilant men from the American colonial partisan militia during the American Revolutionary War.
....which sounds sweet, but I bestow this honor more because you type something Patriotic at least once per Minute.

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 11, 2012 at 12:43 p.m.
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Sarah - there was boycotting going on all over this state for suporting Walker or refusing to put PRO union flyers in stores and you know it. If not, you need to read more than leftie news outlets.

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 11, 2012 at 12:41 p.m.
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Hmmm - analert stops playing and out comes Da Mouse. Surprise.

Mouse
Feb 11, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.
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First Fritz tries to stop us having a say with dirty tactics.... now he cries cocodile tears.
This vone is a real loser......
http://wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article...

Mouse
Feb 11, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.
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State Law breakers.... make commical challenges,but can't follow the law.
http://wispolitics.com/1006/110215_Leg_C...

Mouse
Feb 11, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
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and he said he didn't know the Kochs.
http://buffalobeast.com/?p=5045

Mouse
Feb 11, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
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http://crimesagainstwisconsin.com/
Pick your lossers here........

wislady
Feb 11, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
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SarahB1

Ken Hendricks supported Scott Walker, that's why ABC Supply was on the list of boycotts.

wislady
Feb 11, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
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Has the GAB found the "missing" 8,216 pages of Walker petitions that are missing?

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 11, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.
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Bye bye alert.

analertcitizen
Feb 11, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
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Sorry fedup- Not going to play with you anymore. When you're on blog- I'm off. Your rants simply aren't productive to anyone.

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 11, 2012 at 8:55 a.m.
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Rockcity - and least we not remind the AlertOne that the supposed 1 million Plus will be much less based on the estimated and soon to be brought out Fraudulant signatures that were submitted.

RocCtyN8iv
Feb 11, 2012 at 8:06 a.m.
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analertcitizen

Fortunately there are 3,469,443 registered voters in the State of Wisconsin!

Source: Wisconsin State Government Accountability Board-Elections Division. http://elections.state.wi.us/category.as...

RetiredAirForce
Feb 11, 2012 at 3:40 a.m.
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As is typical fear, you failed comprehension during your scanning of posted words again. These were not my definitions they came from professor of the previous linked study and were used in his study. If you truly based things on what’s right and wrong many of your postings would be vastly different than they are.

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 11, 2012 at 2:38 a.m.
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""Conservative: caring mostly about their family and friends."" You mean themselves. Maybe YOU dont mean that, but that is what I see. hy I left conservatism as a belief structure.
By your definition I guess I would be a liberal. Although I still hold many conservative viewpoints. I dont consider them that though, I consider them MY viewpoints based on whats RIGHT and WRONG, not right and left. More people do that we live in a far different world.

poobah
Feb 11, 2012 at 1:09 a.m.
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"Liberal: caring about an indefinite number of genetically unrelated strangers they never meet or interact with."

How simply noble. Thanks for that morsel of magnificence, RAF.

RetiredAirForce
Feb 11, 2012 at 12:43 a.m.
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Joan a truly educated person would take the time to read the study before posting it as proof to support an uneducated assumption. In this study, done by a person in Britain, he clearly defined his idea of conservative and liberal; neither with a political connotation.

Conservative: caring mostly about their family and friends.

Liberal: caring about an indefinite number of genetically unrelated strangers they never meet or interact with.

An uneducated person would take these definitions and try to place them into American politics to placate their own self-interests, but that in no way supports the points made in the study. As with most topics, posting without all the information leads to misunderstandings. The same study suggests that people that sleep later in the day and stay up later at night is also a characteristic of higher intelligence. Jumping to conclusions, like you did earlier, a simple declaration would be teenagers that sleep until noon and stay up until 3am (playing video games) are smarter than their teachers that sleep normal hours to sustain home family life and job stability. Having all the information around data before making baseless assumptions is a good thing.

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 10:07 p.m.
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Kaysbrew...... don't get your feathers ruffled.

RECALL WALKER, HAW!
RECALL FITZ, HAW!
RECALL THE GANG, HAW!
SCOTTS A NAUGHTY BOY! SPENDING FEDRAL MONEY...
WHAT YA DOING? HAW!
FITZY CRYING FOUL .... CLUCK! MOVE THE DISTICTS!.... MOVE THE DISTRICTS!
FUNNY THING WATCHING A CHICKEN POUT!

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 9:56 p.m.
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Vato whats in you brain?
Rodant thinks you just talk a lot
without processing.

analertcitizen
Feb 10, 2012 at 9:13 p.m.
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@vataloco- Educated- a good start would be facts, yes, you're right. Then those facts have to be studied to provide an accurate opinion of whether or not the facts substantiate the opinion. Then you correlate your opinion to the world around you and you come to a concensus of whether or not your opinion is valid, based upon factual information. If so, go for it.Unfortunately in this article, the facts don't substantiate the opinion of 1 million + voters.

vatoloco
Feb 10, 2012 at 8:37 p.m.
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So what does being educated mean? Holding a bunch of trivial facts in your brain?

vatoloco
Feb 10, 2012 at 8:08 p.m.
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We trail many countries in math and science.....yet we spend more per pupil....

analertcitizen
Feb 10, 2012 at 8:07 p.m.
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@vataloco- please don't use Ken Hendricks as an example of an uneducated man. While he didn't finish formal schooling, he was a life- long learner who very strongly supported education. He was a very educated person. I believe that Joan referenced that in her post and I quote from her, " If you have not taken advanced coursework, or have become self educated..."

vatoloco
Feb 10, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.
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"That's why republicans like Walker are slashing education. If they can dumb you down, you will believe in Santa and the trickle down theory."

Explain the achievement gap in a liberal infested educational system....

vatoloco
Feb 10, 2012 at 7:52 p.m.
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Joan

Two words: Ken Hendricks...all will and hard work ethic.....put it in your pipe and smoke it honey....

Joan
Feb 10, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.
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Research has shown time and again - democrats are smarter and more kind hearted really. More creative and innovative.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/...

That's why republicans like Walker are slashing education. If they can dumb you down, you will believe in Santa and the trickle down theory.

No offense to those who are not formally educated. What matters is reading - read things before you form your opinions and from all sources and both sides. That's how you can go beyond believing things because your parents did to making up your own mind. That's my only concern about many republicans. Politicians have been using advertising techniques to convince people to vote against their own self interests - it's been very effective.

Joan
Feb 10, 2012 at 7:09 p.m.
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Oh, what a brilliant statement WisLady - you are just so very smart. We're all in awe.

wislady
Feb 10, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.
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"The demographics on liberals show that they are much more educated than any other group."

You should have stopped after the first sentence, rather than continuing on and proving the statement false.

Joan
Feb 10, 2012 at 6:06 p.m.
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The demographics on liberals show that they are much more educated than any other group. If you have not taken advanced coursework, or have become self educated, and are not rich, but are a republican, consider the fact that you may have been duped by the "trickle down theory". And if you believe that, why don't we go out to dinner, I'll let you pay, and promise you that some day you'll get your money back if you become rich too, and you were just lucky I let you eat dinner too. Don't worry, it will trickle down. Yes, we can all be rich and someday your prince will come so that's why you should pay a higher tax rate than millionnaires.

poobah
Feb 10, 2012 at 5:56 p.m.
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If you have something to contribute to "Democrat: Wis. GOP recall challenges won't stand," please do so. Otherwise, please quit cluttering this site.

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 5:23 p.m.
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mouse post....THEN WE HAVE DIFFERENT PARROTS LIKE THE FEATHERLESS FEDUP..... OR THE MACKASBREW.....
mouse you little rule breaker you.
you are the biggest hyprocrite - the biggest foul mouthed immature person
and as long as the gazette is okay with people like you constantly bulling and browbeating posters you don't agree with, with NO discussion skills and breaking the rules - then they won't have a problem with this.

GAZETTE - IF THIS IS REPORTED, LOOK TO THE MOUSE FIRST AND WHERE IT ALWAYS STARTS.

Falk rule, she can cry and whine to the gazette about our fun with the Falk name but she is continually allowed to get personal.

Be careful what you wish for mouse, if it's confrontation you want, then you surely will get.

helge1939
Feb 10, 2012 at 4:26 p.m.
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fed you cant even make x

fearandrhetoric4dummies
Feb 10, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.
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Darlene Winklady said-""
Quit repeating the same drivel...just saying it over and over, doesn't make it true.
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Same goes you, THE EXACT same thing. My Goodness. Pot MEET kettle.

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 4:19 p.m.
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helge..... they live off others like vultures.
SCOTT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE...... A VULTURE.
THEN AGAIN HE IS ALSO A KOCH PARROT.
....THEN WE HAVE DIFFERENT PARROTS LIKE THE FEATHERLESS FEDUP..... OR THE MACKASBREW.....
ALWAYS COMING UP WITH "CHATTER THAT WON'T STAND".

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 10, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.
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helge - WRONG. I you need to do is be able to sign your name on the dotted "take the union dues directly out of my paycheck" line and you got a job.

helge1939
Feb 10, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.
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I think those that dislike unions could never be good enough to apply for a union job

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 10, 2012 at 4:05 p.m.
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If you can get a NOBEL for nothing, then nothing surprises me anymore.

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 10, 2012 at 4:03 p.m.
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Hey Carlistos - Dude where you been? And your posts, nothing has changed. New script next week???

wislady
Feb 10, 2012 at 3:58 p.m.
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DISTRACTION ALERT!!!!!
I just heard the funniest news story of the year.

The Wis State Bar just awarded SueME the "Judge of the Year" Award.

carlitosway
Feb 10, 2012 at 3:58 p.m.
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Again the same few back the corrupt GOP and again i am not surprised. The petitions were signed and need to move forward and SEE WHAT THE ELECTIONS have to say. The only ones that try and stop their demise is the very ones that need to be GONE you know the whining GOP... If you few think Walker was not the main corrupt one behind the John Doe issue You really need to see the rel world as the fantasy one you are in is crazy. Kaysbrew is a lost cause as are the ones who actually believe the Walkerstan people are good for this State. Mouse you are fighting a battle with ignorance and would do better to walk away as they have not a clue as to family values nor TRUTH. totellalie is a Fox news worshipers along with fedup/brewha/loco/bowlgirl/wislady/freebird they all sound as if they are one person. NUFF SAID RECALL WALKER AND THE OTHER 4 as they have been given eviction notices by the ones who matter

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 10, 2012 at 3:56 p.m.
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I sure wish the Union Puppet Masters would modify the play script from time to time.

liverpool
Feb 10, 2012 at 3:34 p.m.
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I wonder if scooter fitz realizes how stupid he looks every time he does or says anything. Or does he not even care because he is leading the ignorant around like sheep and they continue to follow? Scooter needs to take his $18,000+ per diem/year and his bogus challenges and just go away.

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 3:27 p.m.
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usaret...... you poor sole.
Mouse will share some cheese with you.
.... RECALL SCOTT AND GANG.

wislady
Feb 10, 2012 at 3:20 p.m.
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wiggle

If you are going to make a comment regarding "lack of mentality", perhaps you should use spell check.

"Not only do you lack mentality, you are unable to read rashional posts!"

helge1939
Feb 10, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.
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fitzgerald knows he will be voted out thats why he will try any thing

usaret
Feb 10, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.
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Why so much attention on the mouse. He's only a pipsqueak.

wiggle
Feb 10, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
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janesvillecomments - I will try to recall walker when the time comes, but I do agree with you. I have lived in 'right to work' states, jobs are much easier to find!

wiggle
Feb 10, 2012 at 2:11 p.m.
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wiskayfed- that didn't make any sense. I said 21 were from ONE person - you and your alter egos. Not only do you lack mentality, you are unable to read rashional posts!

janesvillecomments
Feb 10, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
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The Republicans should make Wisconsin a "Right To Work" state before the recall votes are taken. That will demonstrate that we are serious about getting manufacturers to locate here.

analertcitizen
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
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@wiggle- You have to understand that these are the people that the right wing wants. They seek out the uneducated, drill them in talking points, hire them to blog, then sit back and laugh. Poor things.

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
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Wiggle - and you get number 22.

wiggle
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:42 p.m.
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AMAZING 21 comments out of 42 are from a mentally disturbed person.
This reads like a childrens book on sandbox scuffles! There's no hope for WI!

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
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Great commercial idea - In Wisconsin the
EverReady Senators just keep on Running.

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
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The headlines says Obama mandates more from private businesses and insuranes companies as ruling dictator of the United States

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:26 p.m.
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Thanks guys for keeping your blogs reputable.
Free advertising, and putting the party out there is a great thing......

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
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..... mmmmmmm that was good. Just read another artical about Scott.
Now what does the headline say?
...........won't stand?

vatoloco
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:22 p.m.
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Who put falkaline batteries in the moving mouse?

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
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FALKons

BRILLIANT!

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
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now mouse is worried about not sounding like a child - falkhocrite
all I have to do is go back just one day and copy and paste. writings are forever you can't take it back
Falk rule

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.
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Just in case anyone was unsure - right out of the old dictionary.
.
A mouse (plural: mice) is a small mammal belonging to the order of rodents. The best known mouse species is the common house mouse (Mus musculus). It is also a popular pet. In some places, certain kinds of field mice are also common. This rodent is eaten by large birds such as hawks and FALKons. They are known to invade homes for food and occasionally shelter.

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
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I think I will give you guys some time to come up with new material, more age appropriate.

vatoloco
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
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Feduptaxpayer
Feb 10, 2012 at 1 p.m.
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Big Falk campaign fund raising breakfast at the Clock Tower tomorrow. $4.50 per plate and comes with a complimentary artifial cheese stick for dessert.

I heard you get runny eggs.....

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:03 p.m.
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Funny thing how the Democrates seem more popular on here than the Scott gang.
I guess once backed into a corner, other forms of chidish attacks must occur.
RECALL SCOTT.... AND GANG.

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.
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pull....mouse posts "tasteless blogs" but can't allow others to do so. falkiberal

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 10, 2012 at 1 p.m.
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Big Falk campaign fund raising breakfast at the Clock Tower tomorrow. $4.50 per plate and comes with a complimentary artifial cheese stick for dessert.

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 1 p.m.
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Actually Fedup........ your true colors (Language) came out yesterday...... and I would not call them Red, White and Blue.
I am glad I made a request concerning tasteless blogs be removed.

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
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Actually Fedup........ your true colors (Language) came out yesterday...... and I would not call them Red, White and Blue.
I am glad I made a request concerning tasteless blogs be removed.

poobah
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
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Mouse, was that the Koch brothers who were spotted disconnecting the Walker caboose from their train?

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
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PULL......the mouse says, falk the drivel

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:58 p.m.
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Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:38 p.m.
freebird........ I think thats classified as drival by Wislady?

do you mean Wislady doesn't agree with your point of view rule breaker????

FALK RULE.

vatoloco
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.
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Falk the Recall....Candidate?

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.
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Kaysbrew...... like the Gang being recalled, you seem to make the rules as you go along.

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.
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Mouse - do you need another time out like the one you got yesterday??

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.
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I should have gotten in on the bet. I would have said 2 hours and would have been right.
darn

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
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re a call Walker - Falk rule

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:47 p.m.
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mouse you broke the rules.

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:44 p.m.
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Vato...... stay on subject.
Let's not throw another tantrum.
.....the reacall is on.
RECALL.....SCOTT.... AND GANG.

vatoloco
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:41 p.m.
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Please....is there any way we can get a reimbursement for educational expenses spent on mouse? My goodness.......his/her teachers should be very proud....

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:38 p.m.
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freebird........ I think thats classified as drival by Wislady?

alwaysright
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
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Does a business that is considering closing its doors go to the Governor to see if the state will help keep them open? How much of a say does the government have in a business going out of business or moving to Mexico?

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:35 p.m.
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..........http://forcechange.com/5169/congressional-republicans-stop-holding-america-hostage/
Wislady, Kaysbrew, voto, bowl and Fedup.
Well nice you could all join us...... wislady just mention the word repeat.
The floor is open, maybe she could elabarate.
Why yesterday a one worder was repeated by you all like abunch of kids. Today you seem less
playful.

freebird007
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
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Hey Democrats!!! Run to Illinois!!! What a bunch of cry babies.

wislady
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:27 p.m.
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Mouse

Quit repeating the same drivel...just saying it over and over, doesn't make it true.

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
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Wisconsin still lower then Obama's national average.

kaysbrew
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:24 p.m.
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Unlike the national fudged numbers of the Obama administration that gets a media pass. Welfare and the people not even in the system anymore as high as it's ever been but hey, people who collect are down. Reality bites Obama again.

vatoloco
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:22 p.m.
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" It just means that people gave up trying to find work in "

Jobs don't just jump at you rodent...you actually have to make an effort in trying to find one.....effort is a rarity for you.........you are used to people paying everything for you.......

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:15 p.m.
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Sorry but based on this..... it's time to move em out.
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The bad news is that one thing is losing jobs:

Wisconsin unexpectedly lost private-sector jobs in December for the sixth consecutive month, the same months in which the nation added private-sector jobs.

Given robust hiring last month at the national level, as reported separately two weeks ago, "I did not expect a sixth month of decline in Wisconsin," said John Heywood, a labor economist at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.

According to data released Thursday by the state Department of Workforce Development, the state lost an estimated 3,900 jobs in the private sector in December from November. In the same month, the United States gained an estimated 212,000 jobs, outstripping expectations of most economists and raising hopes that employers are gaining confidence at the national level.
Two hundred state jobs also went poof in December - a personal Christmas present from Walker, no doubt.

The Walker administration tried to ignore the actual numbers and tout that the unemployment percentage dropped from 7.3 to 7.1, but even that is nothing to brag about. It just means that people gave up trying to find work in Fitzwalkerstan:

Mouse
Feb 10, 2012 at 12:06 p.m.
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Wow!..... who would have thought such quality
law abbiding people would face such a situation?
You would think Fitzgerald would use his GPS, instead of playing with maps.
This will be such a boost for Wisconsin...... and Wisconsin will once again be "open for business"

totellthetruth
Feb 10, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.
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Plain and simple, there was MODERATE FRAUD clear and simple. The number of LEGAL signatures was inflated by the IMMORAL actions of the dems.

Feduptaxpayer
Feb 10, 2012 at 11:45 a.m.
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And how would they know? They control the GAB that's how.

Bowlgal
Feb 10, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
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Simply solution, go vote Republicans back in.

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