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Your "fact" check is also not telling us that most of that is determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services as they see. They will determine, they will tell you, they will mandate. If you think you are correct, why is the word MANDATE in OBUMMERCARE so much???

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/06/...

Even Dems object to Obamacare overreach - BostonHerald.com
The 15-member panel of government-appointed bureaucrats was slipped into Obamacare against the objection of more than 100 House members on both sides of the aisle.

http://drorma.com/2012/01/19/obamacare-a...

http://topnews.us/content/215365-obamaca...

http://www.mackinac.org/15913

Still waiting liberals. Shame on you! It again shows the control they want to keep the poor and needy down and dumb.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=HcB...

Since you don't want to help children get an education other then public schools, Let's throw in Obamacare and full control into everything you do. Health, finance, work, marriage, food. And yes you Voter ID haters, A national ID card! bring it show it.

That does seem to be a goal for them.

gandalf, you're out-doing yourself with nonsensical statements like 'The extremist Republicans temporarily in power want to privatize all education and make schools into for-profit enterprises.' What a ridiculous statement.

Well schnibble, with a $6500 voucher, you certainly could send your kid to an elementary school (most of the voucher schools in inner city Milwaukee are elementaries) and I only know of a couple high schools in the 10k range, I think a lot are more around 6k.
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Interesting that the voucher amount is more than what the state funds public schools at. Seems the voucher program costs the state more than public schools. I wonder how that will work when we are already "broke".
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It's easy to see what would happen here though. Vouchers for all. Public schools are decimated and then the amount of the vouchers drop (or even just stay the same while tuition and costs at the private schools go up up up). Middle and poor classes are left unable to go to private schools and the public option is gone. Only the wealthy get an education. Mission accomplished for the Kochs and their ilk.

kaysbrew said, "You want free everything else from your government, why do you shut the door on education?"

Shame on you, kaysbrew! You haven't been listening to RAF and other conservatives telling us, "Nothing is free!" Haven't you heard? Better toss your "free everything" script and find something more consistent with the approved Republican talking points.

My adoring fans. It pleases me to no end to see you all come out on my behalf. And yet, not one single hater can hold up their head and tell me why you are against a less fortunate child receiving an opportunity to be given a choice of getting an education from some place other than a public school. You want free everything else from your government, why do you shut the door on education? I know why, and you do too. You just can’t say it out loud can you.
I leave tonight knowing, I was right again. The less you know, the better for the Democrats.

I think kaysbrew's been fired as a paid political blogger. Today was not very productive for her. Every right wing pat comment was blown away by people who know better. Kay- McDonald's is hiring.

kaysbrew,
Perhaps I would give credit to what you are saying if you didn't steal "plantation politics" from FOX.
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That is a new term directly from that network.
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See, that is the difference between "liberal" and "conservative"...THINKING FOR YOURSELF!
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try it sometime, you are likely to come to a completely DIFFERENT conclusion.
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Start by reading Zinn or Kozol. Something other than "Who's looking out for you?".

I have say that eye is right no money for private schools from the taxes
If you what your childern in a private school ok but the rest of us should not have to pay for you to do so

Open enrollment between public schools has been around for quite a while now.
Money should not go to private schools of any type.

When the legislature evaluated voucher legislation last year, some Republicans refused to sign on, because they appreciate their local public schools. In order to get those votes, Republican legislative leadership promised to them and the full legislature that they would fix the legislation, so that voucher expansion would be limited to Milwaukee and Racine. The Republican refusal to bring this legislation forward not only breaks a promise to the public--it violates a promise to their own party members.

The Gazette headline for today reads "Court scolds lawmakers." It could be better understood as "Court scolds lawbreakers." Where has common decency and civility gone in our legislature and political parties?

It seems to be that those who post on this site that are so adamantly against education, post with the most grammatical errors and poor sentence structure. The post also reveals the lack of critical thinking ability. Pretty much explains their anger towards educated people.

Ac & schnibble - everything varies, but most public schools spend $10-12k per student. Thanks to scooter's slashing the state pays only about $5500 (again different depending on the district) and I'm sure this will go down again next year. Private schools vary widely too, with K-8 schools spending considerably less than high schools. K-8 tuiton at a private school is roughly $2-3k while at a high school it can be from $5500 - over $11,000. Remember that tuiton isn't the cost per student - it's only what they charge. The cost per student is higher; most private schools do extensive fundraising to keep their schools affordable and make up the diffrence between tuiton and the actual cost.
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I don't know what the voucher amount is - I thought it was the state's share of funding (formerly 6k, now $5500). I've heard the number $7,000 thrown around but have no verification on that.

You can not make some one learn if they choose not to no matter what you do.

bowlgal- Kay hasn't made a coherent argument or statement in any of her right wing, lunatic babble, and this is coming from one of your so called
" Union thugs, communists, marxists, union puppet masters, lefties, liberals, and on and on". I find all of the religious right wing posts to be almost laughable if they weren't so pathetic.

@schnibble- I'm not too sure exactly how much the vouchers are worth without looking up the information. It costs approximately 6 to 7 k to educate a child in a public school so my guess is that if a child enters a voucher school that amount would be paid to the voucher ( private) school. I'm in agreement that anyone could decide to open a school to accept money to educate kids. Scary really. The cost per child attending a public school would then go up of less money toward public education. Either way- education is not cheap, but necessary.

kaysbrew, as long as unions no longer control the teachers, there is hope for the public schools. Don't give up on the future as there are still many many very good teachers that took advantage of ACT10 and opted out.
You make the best point about the welfare state in all areas expect education. You have to wonder why it is that no one from the left has been able to explain why.

I'm not against choices. Thanks to the school choice program, you can send your child to any public school in the state, provided they have room. Don't like J-ville Schools? Go to Milton or Beloit or Whitewater ar Madison or whatever.
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Most private schools have a religious mission. Don't ask me to pay for your child to go to a religious school with my tax dollars if there is a secular alternative. If that religion means that much to you, pay for it yourself.
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And if the "choice" is a substandard fly by night school that just opened it's doors to take advantage of vouchers and is not accountable for student achievement, forget it.
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So I guess I'm ok with vouchers if they are paid to non-religious schools that have been in existence since before the voucher program started that have and maintain the educational data to show they are educating students as well or better than the publc school in that district.

Kay- Go back and read the survey that you posted. It was given to 7th and 8th graders- not 6th graders. Your rants are getting more and more ludicrous and ridiculus.
Liberals, (I guess that means me), want all children to be educated critical thinkers not some clone of their crazy parent. Your outrageous claims about public school staff encouraging kids to " lie, cheat, beg, and borrow" is crazy talk. " Government offering tax credit to sign up welfare people"- Really really off the wall. Why is it so hard for you to accept that someone educated (that would be me), having raised several successful children in private schools, (some with advanced degrees,) would want to support public education? Our entire community benefits from public education, that's why.

MCD - we are talking about vouchers for children to have a choice other then Public schools. Again, why are you against options?

AC - I do have children and it's a typical response from a liberal to think a middle school which is 6th grade, and 11 years old to think it's okay to ask sexual questions. Talk about abuse in the public school, not the mention the fake teachers notes and telling kids it's okay to lie, cheat, beg, and borrow.
Again, Why is it okay to give food, healthcare, welfare, housing, but NOT okay to give them a chance at a better education.

It's okay AC, I know you can't defend this. Liberals don't want educated voters and it starts for them in the public schools.
Plantation politics.
The government is even offering people tax credit to sign up welfare people.
Why isn't the liberals in government trying to give this tax credit to get a job and get OFF welfare?

@kaysbrw et. al.: You guys do know what's been going on in Milwaukee for the last 20 years with the voucher program, right? Fly-by-night "schools" that don't educate the children (because there is no accountability)where the CEO is living in a big house and driving a fancy car (at taxpayer expense) and the teachers don't get paid (because the CEO took all the money) so the school closes after a year or two, dumping those uneducated kids (who are now a year or two behind their peers) back into the public school system.
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Is that what you want for education in Wisconsin?

Kaysbrew- First of all if you had children of your own, you would know that an 11 year old is usually not in 7th or 8th grade as the assessment that your provided shows. An 11 year old is generally in 5th or 6th grade. I see nothing wrong with an assessment such as this given to 13 or 14 year olds. My own kids went to private schools that had a very good sex ed program as part of their curriculum beginning in 5th grade. At each grade level, the subject matter changed to an age/ grade appropriate lesson. And... that was in the 70's and 80's. Let's not go backward to the 50's where the entire subject was taboo.

Liberals hate better education first to protect their unions but private schools actually educate the students on the actual historical events, economy, free markets, freedom of choice, personal responsibility. Things the left is creating warfare on as we speak.

Dane county survey to middle school and high schools.
Why else are liberals opposed to giving children a better option? They want to give them food, money, welfare, healthcare. But not a better education. You tell me why?
abuses? It's not abusive to tell a child her mommy doesn't care enough about her to pack a good lunch? You tell my why!

http://www.danecountyhumanservices.org/p...

start around page 44. liberal!

Spinning the truth again kaysbrew about 11 year olds being asked inappropriate questions. IF it actually happened, and I question that, it is not the norm. The worst possible thing that could happen is if education was privatized - that's where the abuses could begin. Laws in this country protect children in public schools.

Why is it ridiculous?
Why else are liberals opposed to giving children a better option? They want to give them food, money, welfare, healthcare. But not a better education. You tell me why?

@kaysbrew- Where did you come up with that ridiculus statement? Probably some Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh website?

Vouchers are for children that might not be able to get a better education then the public school can offer. Those trapped in the slums by liberal policies. Again, not surprised the left is against helping anyone better their quality of life. Even children.

So you approve of a public school asking 11 year old girls if they've had oral sex? I'm not surprised that the left thinks it's okay to corrupt the children at such a young age.

Absolutely no state monies should go to private schools. Vouchers are a handout to schools that have less accountability. Handouts from conservatives for conservatives.

Nofascist is right. I strongly disagree with billnewbie. Vouchers don't work. When the Democratic leaning state legislature held the voucher schools accountable through test results in 2010, no improvement or worse results were found when comparing public and private schools.http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/118886284.html
My experience with vouchers is more about public tax support for private/religious schools, to ease the tuition costs. If they take it, they should be reporting out all of the testing/accountability info publically.
Private business doesn't have to, but public institutions, and those who take taxpayer money should!

We need vouchers here in Janesville! After that recent Gazettextra article about how low Janesville's student AP test scores are, it's obvious our students need an alternative to the public school monopoly that most of our children are trapped in since most can't afford any alternative without vouchers. The state constitution guarantees a free education, but that doesn't mean that can only be provided by a public school system, particularly a system that has as its primary objective the welfare of its employees to the detriment of its students like ours does.

Kaysbrew is right on, the public schools will never get the job done without some meaningful competition. I don't suggest doing away with the public school system since we need a place to train people for a lifetime of minimum wage jobs.

Ladies and Gentlemen - I give you Kaysbrew- exhibit A for the defense in the case that the goal is the end of good public education in Wisconsin. The unions are the enemy and must be destroyed...sound familiar to anyone?

The republicans can kiss their power good bye They just do not seem to understand that people will vote them out

So anyone need any further proof that the Republicans want to destroy public education in this country? As this continues, the only people who will be able to get an education will be the wealthy. After all, you don't need no eduxaction if youre going to werk in the Koke Brothers industerieies.

Yes, KB - it is time for private education and not public indoctrination to help the children. Democrats and their plantation politics want to keep the dummying down of America starting with the children from food nazi's to exposing middle school kids to R rated questionaires about their sexual lives. See: Dane county for that disgusting 115 point quiz that parents aren't allowed to see.
I'm all for the private education funding and you should too if it is really "for the kids" and not WEAC union zanes.

westorbust I agree but so far Chief Tubbs refuses to do his job, so it continues.

Time to get the children out of the sandbox and let the grown-ups clean up the mess.

Seems to be an ongoing situation with these guys. Get rid of them.

This is utterly shameful. There was a bi-partisan agreement to rectify unintended flaws in this bill. Republican leaders were part of this agreement. Now they won't even allow it to come up for a vote. Locals need to call their assembly reps today and tell them to at least allow a vote.