RhetoricAndFalderal, you apparently did not read wislady's comment in between mine. You may want to check that out prior to blowing a head gasket.

Again No2, when presented with the actual information, like in this case limitied number of citizens is the norm for this speech every year you ignore it. The fact is you typically echo talking points without looking at real information. Here is a small sampling of your gems on this "issue" that is not new but the talking point you try to echo is this is something only walker and the current rep party does. PATHETIC.

-"The seating was by invitation only and Walker's allies in the House and Senate controlled the invitations"

-"Why was seating in the gallery of the capitol for Walker's Rhetoric of the State speech on an invitation only basis except for twelve seats designated for the general public?"

-"not many sheeple were allowed in the capitol tonight for Walker's Rhetoric of the State. The gallery at the capitol for Walker's Rhetoric of the State speech was by invitation only (Walker's choice of course) except for twelve, that's right count 'em, twelve seats open to the general public. That's what Republican democracy looks like."

Nice deflection, RhetoricAndFalderal? You asked me a question, I told you to do your own research. I'm not your personal Ann Landers or Dear Abby. Although you surely need one... Maybe wislady or donnaw are willing to answer your social gadfly questions.

No2 nice deflection. This state has always done the state of the state address with limited seating for everyday citizens. As usual, the current complaints are really over who is in office while they ignore the facts of what they are complaining about, since they have been going on forever. It is sooooo easy to see the complainers for what they are.

RhetoricAndFalderal said, "Please provide the available number of tickets for the past State of the State address', for other Gov's, if you think this one was a problem......"
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Do your own research if you're so interested in historical seating arrangements and how other states handle it!

wislady said, "poobah If you are upset that you didn't get a ticket...write to your representative. Maybe next year you can go and listen to Walker."
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wislady, I had figured that after all of the advice I've given the Governor's office during his short tenure in the form of e-mails, letters and phone calls, the least they could have done was to send me an invitation to his Rhetoric of the State speech. I'm left to believe that he doesn't appreciate my advice to him to resign...

Youkillme
My Jvl tax bill has all negative change percentages:
State -8.5
Cty - 4.0
city -4.4
voc - -5.5
sch-jvl -2.7

The most recent assessment did increase, although only by a few hundred dollars on a modest 1950s 1000 sq foot house.

Therefore, it doesn't appear that everyone's taxes went up, and that is why I suspect that in the most recent assessment, the valuation on your house/property must have risen significantly.

justmy414
Why do some of those callers who say they are polling...hang up when you ask them to identify themselves and the group they represent?

They called my house. That poll was completely slanted. Would you list your support of Scott Walker as completely approve or approve.

poobah
If you are upset that you didn't get a ticket...write to your representative. Maybe next year you can go and listen to Walker.

The security was higher due to the death threat/arrest this week.
The democrats, protesters, Occupiers, and zombies have had full coverage in the press and TV for a year. The governor deserves the 37 minutes to talk to the people of Wisconsin who elected him and support him.

No2 you have commented, in multiple postings, on the problem with access to see the Gov's speech. Please provide the available number of tickets for the past State of the State address', for other Gov's, if you think this one was a problem......

These stupid polls are just non sense! What, did they call 5 people and average the numbers? I think the signatures say it all.

"The reports of the death of common sense have been greatly exxagerated"

wislady, not many sheeple were allowed in the capitol tonight for Walker's Rhetoric of the State. The gallery at the capitol for Walker's Rhetoric of the State speech was by invitation only (Walker's choice of course) except for twelve, that's right count 'em, twelve seats open to the general public. That's what Republican democracy looks like.

corr...can JOIN the sheeple

Mouse

The Walker children show more courage than most people I know, to be present at this event in the wake of the constant threats over the past year.

If you hurry, Mousie, you can the sheeple who continue inside the Capitol at this house screaming, chanting, and blowing horns. Pathetic.

I heard one word of truth at the state of the state address, it was "LIAR!!"

From the comments here, Che sounds like the kind of guy who would give the Cub Scouts or the local knitters club a "thug" reputation just by joining.

The democrats are still whining....longer than the "state of the state speech."

Che said, "Hey buddy-boy; I have been a member of five unions and in leadership positions in three of those unions. Unions suck and are responsible for economic degradation of our country."
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Well, hmmmmpfffff, tough guy. Sounds like YOU have been a major PART of the PROBLEM you describe. However, given your temperament, I doubt your "leadership positions" were ever much more than being the first in line to pick up strike benefits.

Che - If you have been in a union management position as you claim and have allowed for lazy, worthless workers, then the problem lies with you! I'm sure there are lazy people in all sectors of the work force (private and public). Don't tell me there are no protections for workers in the private sector.

Che - You wouldn't know if you're not in a union. Think for yourself and jump off of the bandwagon. It's heading right for the river!

I see Knilans sitting in his seat, all smiles as he collects a UNION pension from General Motors! Don't get used to your seat at the capitol "one termer!"

Che - It would seem that the real cry babies are those who do not work in the public sector! All I see on these blogs is how bad the private sector has it and how good the public sector has it! If the private sector is that bad, then quit and take a job in the public sector, otherwise shut up and stop the whining!

Walker claims to have saved the tax payers in Wisconsin $300 million or so through his implementation of retirement contributions for public sector workers. Unless the amount you pay yearly in taxes has dropped (and mine have not) how are Wisconsin tax payers saving any money?

http://www.wbay.com/story/16601500/2012/...

Wisconsin is considered a purple state now. It will be interesting to see the final outcome of this recall. A win could mean Obama is in trouble. BTW loved Michelle's $2400 coctail dress last night. Let the peasants eat cake!

ddr
Your 9 year old grandson doesn't happen to go to school near Reedburg, does he?

http://youtu.be/Chf2hpXN2Qw

This was just made public this week, investigation is going on. This ccd instructor is also a school teacher.

The huge waste of money comes from the continuation of worthless social programs for those too lazy to work, not from public sector employees. What was initially implemented as a safeguard for people for the short-term has become nothing more than a generational lifestyle for people! This needs to stop! Also, you want to complain about the waste of money this recall will cost, look at the HUGE waste of money pumped into any election (State or Federal)! Out of state monies, regardless of how it's donated or who is donating it needs to stop for in-state elections!

"Keep the deficit out." - Like scooter's $3 billion deficit.
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Troublemaker, that's the whole problem; the repubs aren't listening to their constituents they're just blindly following the right wing agenda.

momof4

"prey" for better teachers, thanks to Scott Walker.

I think you public workers that are so bent out of shape for having to contribute the small amount that you now have to should just resign tomorrow. That way someone that really needs a job has an opportunity to take yours. Or maybe you could not cut it in the real world.

It sickens me to hear of all the Walker supporters out there. He has just begun to strong arm the middle class and its just a matter of time before he does it to his supporters. I prey he doesnt even wait for the re vote and just resigns. Oh by the way.... Obama for President AGAIN!!!!

The recall people need to just stand down and focus their energies on something meaningful. There are so many laws that need fixing. They should focus their energies constructively on grass roots, knowledgeable input to legislators. This recall thing is such a stupid waste of money and it distacts us from the important changes we really need to promote.

Looks like more of a bottom.

On Top of the Gallows maybe!

On my 3:41 post that should have said "November 2010 election." :(

Rich -- Constantly? I paid attention during the election. He did not say he would eliminate collective bargaining, which is what we asked to keep. There is a difference between paying a fair share and disseminating education.

RECALL WALKER!

Teapartysal,
"As far as I am concerned, the Jvl teacher's union sliced their own throats when they did that. Its about time these whiney, spoiled, entitled, self-righteous prigs got dragged into the world the rest of us deal with daily."
Which part of the real world are you talking about? The part where I make enough money to own two properties in town to "have" to pay taxes on? Or the part of the real world where you rape people that can't afford a house of their own that pay you rent for a ghetto property? Or the part of the real world that actually look at facts about the timeline of the contract signing that you are oblivious too? You are a sorry old man that is out of touch with anything in the "real world". Go ahead and keep preaching the BS that this is in anyway the teachers fault.

Jaxstaff just came forward with another union half truth. Scott Walker campaigned throughout calendar year 2010. He constantly said public employees need to pay their fair share of benefits. That probability was well known when the contract was signed and caution was expressed by non-Murray type School Board members. Of course that is whay they pushed the contract. You can't fool all the people with your double talk.

wow, people only comment on stuff about walker and not about anything else on the gazette

teapartysal --- For probably the hundredth time on these blogs...we did not rush through a contract before these changes took effect. Our contract expired in June of 2009. The SDJ and the JEA negotiated during the entire school year of 2009-2010, with the signing of the contract (a 4-year retroactive contract ending in 2013) at the beginning of the 2010-2011 school year. When Walker was campaigning for the November 2011 election, he never said, or implied he would remove collective bargaining from public employees. He dropped that bit of news in February of 2011.

That said (below), I am not at all surprised by the poll numbers. It shows a pretty even split, skewing slightly toward the conservative end. That is consistent with the past couple elections. Old Scotty-boy had better be careful, though. With numbers that close, anything could happen! I certainly will not be a slam-dunk for either side.

Actually, 700 people surveyed is a pretty decent number for this type of poll. However, analertcitizen lives up to his/her name when citing the inherent flaw in the methodology. Surveying only landline users skews the sample pool. How many people do you know that don't have a land line? Do they tend to be younger people - or older people? How might this mess up the sample and make it not representative of the population in general? (My old stats teacher would love me today!!!)

jmartin I bet he did without having a clue. Just like thousands of people that have been unknowingly signed up as well. There will be so many that will be removed,but Walker will remain at his position never the less. The union thuggery will not prevail.

<<<<--------pulling out a pocket full of singles.

Polls are only to sway public opinion. 700 people is not a sufficient number.

Walker is working hard to fix the democrats deficit. If the democrats get back in, NO ONE will be surprised when they bring back the deficit. Keep Walker. Keep the deficit out.

It appears that the Marquette poll is based almost exclusively with landline users. Polls like this were conducted in the 2008 Presidential election but the pollsters forget about cell phone users. The results of the election were quite different from the polls.

"Poll shows Walker on top." Hmmmm, must be a brass pole. Nobody tell Newt! Oh sorry, a poll not a pole...

ddr, did your grandson sign the recall petition?

youkillme said-"We don't need a chronic liar and divider for a governor." You mean like the President? Lord help us if this guy gets re-elected. Talk about a chronic liar and divider
this flatlander is the best liar there ever was, the best divider there ever will be. Walker is a saint next to Obama. Here's a guy that never did anything but lie his entire life and he's elected as
POTUS-Shame on every fool who voted for him-he's ruining the country.

I support Scott Walker as do most people I have asked. The majority is silent, unlike the Walker-haters. Poll or no poll, he will be re-elected.

ddr - Just curious, what income do you consider poor?

My 9 year old grandson can realize what is going on, he says Walker robs from the poor and gives to the rich. He is correct that is it in one simple sentence.
Million recalls 701 polled. One republican to vote for and 4 democrates, fair poll.

They most likely called the republicans on their call list LOL. As I can give you a million that will vote against him. Please Gazette Give us the actual Party they called in this poll as it would be interesting, and BTW 701 TO A MILLION IS NOT MUCH TO BRAG ABOUT. I SEE KAYSBREW IS DELUSIONAL AGAIN.

My taxes went up $4.50, if not for walker's changes you could probubly put a 10 in front of that.

A Marquette University Law School poll? Didn't Walker get kicked out of Marquette for stuffing ballet boxes? Sounds like a trust worthy poll. I'm sure the uneducated voters in this state will believe this poll like the gospel.

youkillme - Right in the heart of the Eastside. Only thing I can think of is someone decided you weren't paying enough in the past and re assed it much higher and stuck it to you.

I know my wife and I did not vote for Walker but with this recall crap we are both voting for him!!!!

Spark, what area of the city do you live in?

youkillme - My taxes went up $8 the from last year and I don't know anyone who had an increase like you did. You need to look into this more. Something doesn't add up especially with the location.

I think you union protesters need to act up more and the gap will expand. It's working.

JoyM,
My "palatial" house is on the border of the 4th Ward, has not seen any improvements but a fence since 2001 and is surrounded by foreclosures and dilapidation. My taxes went up $327 from last year. If your home is inside Janesville and the JVL school district AND your percentages on tax increases to state, school, county and city differ from I posted - there is indeed a problem.

State 1.5% increase

County 6.4% increase

City 6.0% increase

Vocational 4.8% increase

JVL School 7.9% increase

I challenge anyone here to post different figures and prove those increases false.

Now I realize many folks believe taxes did not go up under Scott Walker, but that is an outright lie - even you wiped out the teacher's contract.

But JoyM, who is making a charge that Scott Walker personally put in a call to the Assessor to ensure his opponents' property taxes went up and his supporters' went down? YOU ARE! Do you have some sort of hallucination problem?

pudssweetie, Channel 3 is in Madison

This poll means nothing as do the collected signatures.

Mouse - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c58dXVY1...... Great video!

Here is a survey from Channel3000 asking if Gov. Walker should be recalled. Look at the results.

http://cf.channel3000.com/c3k/sh/con_sur...

Find it funny how 77% of people are saying that Gov. Walker should stay as our Governor.

youkillme - what kind of palatial house do you live in? I owned my mom's house in 2010 and 2011, and the property taxes went down almost $100 including down $23 on the state portion - so I guess yours got revalued to reflect an more accurate taxable value. You really cannot think that Scott Walker personally put in a call to the Assessor to ensure his opponents' property taxes went up and his supporters' went down? If you do, you should get help for that persecution complex.

pull the see and say string. mouse is back with the usual..

pull....the mouse says ..fence post...again

IF Scott is re-elected, so be it. At least we can be sure that his super majority will be no more. The dems only need to win one of 4 senate recalls to take the senate majority, then Scott will actually have to stay here in Wisconsin and GOVERN something he has done very little of thus far. Rubber stamp is not governing , not leadership.
The 2 issues that this election will be decided on. Education funding and collective bargaining. Look at the numbers I posted below. OVER 2/3 of those polled are opposed to this administrations defunding public ed. and its a half and half on Collective bargaining.
What I think will also have an impact on this election is job losses. If Wisconsin continues to lose jobs in the private sector month after month, it will be very hard for Scott Walker to sell his reforms. If things turn around and we start seeing gains, he will fare better. The fact is Wisconsin is split almost down the middle, so for either side to act as if they have a mandate is the major fault of the posters on this site, or the representatives in our government. Scott Walker has had a chance to unite the state, yet he chose not to do. He has decided to dictate to the other HALF of the state who do not agree with him. THAT IMO is his biggest miscalculation.
Like Obama , he now has a record to run on, no mre rhetoric , no more promises, examine the record and see if thats what you want going forward. If education becomes a large part of the campaign, which I believe it wioll, Walker will be in big, BIG trouble. Regardless of any poll.
BTW I saw a blog post on a politico article that made the claim that 39-57% of the recall signatures are invalid thus far. First, what an unbelievable range!! Second , I searched the internet and could find NOTHING to substantiate such numbers , anyone have anything to back those up? Doubt it. Conservative websites don't count.

Obama is vulnerable too.

Believe me, people are paying attention to Wisconsin, what Walker is doing, and the recall. I now live in Oklahoma and have seen GOV WALKER IS RIGHT bumper stickers. Recall is a waste of money and shows again what whiners liberals are. Get some kleenex, cry, cause he is about win the recall election.

The same poll found Obama leading by single digits.

Don't forget that Walker has already dumped over $4 million into his re-election campaign ads running against a shadow who has not spent a nickle on campaigning. This poll shows how vulnerable he really is.

Something not-negative-against-Walker.....by the A.P. no less!

I wonder what all these Recall supporters will do if Walker is re-elected?

1 million people spoke and 4 million people spoke by not signing the recall efforts. hmmm...just saying

pull the see and say string. mouse is back with the usual..

pull....the mouse says ..fence post....again

Mouse - I realize my post at 11:30 basically put you in your place. It's obvious with your little fun and game responses. That's what people do when they are called out and backed in a corner. Carry on. I will continue to put you in your place when you spout off nonsense.

Mouse - You obviously don't have kids. If you do, please teach them not to act like you do.

Mouse - I owned you once again and will continue too. 2nd grade level responses is all you have. The best part is, in your case, it doesn't matter who is Governor or even President for that matter. Your life will never change. You will still be miserable. You believe that having varying political views and not always voting one party line is being on the fence. LOL. The tools in the shed need sharpening.

pull the see and say string. mouse is back with the usual..

pull....the mouse says ..fence post vultures

kaysbrew, but you also think it's fair if someone cleans your street, protects that house and makes sure you have running water, but you shouldn't have to pay for those services. We call that freeloading== welcome to conservatism.

teapartysal, did you notice on your bill how the county and city each went up almost as much as schools 6.4% to 7.9% (even with their cadillac contract!) and even the state draw went up 1.5%? Had the teachers re-opened their contract, they would have been lucky to knock off 1% on the school part of the bill. My property taxes in Janesville have been within $30 each year since 2004 until Walker arrived. They went up $327 this year because of Scott Walker, and I suspect once Walker's budget repair bill really takes hold, my taxes will be even higher next year. We don't need a chronic liar and divider for a governor.

thanks mouse, I should have known you wouldn't have a rational answer as to the grand individual freedom that Americans have vs government rule "fairness"....
I think it's fair you pay for my lunch don't you? I think it's fair you pay for my healthcare and I also want you to pay for my house.

no???
welcome to conservatism.

I too will vote for Walker. I would say about 2/3's of the people I talk with are in support of Walker. The ones that make the most noise though are anti- Walker group.

Mouse - You know those that support Walker have no kids in school? Aren't family people? Obviously you realize that's the farthest thing from the truth and a completely false statement. You think because others don't agree politically that they don't have emotion and concern for Cathy Gifford? What is wrong with you Mouse?
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You sit here and pretend that you are taking care of others, yet your arguments state the exact opposite. Others are taking care of your sorry existence. I guarantee, you are nowhere fit to accomplish anything you preach about and you're not paying for anyone.
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One thing everyone knows on here. You personally failed the school system. It's blatantly obvious. You do nothing more than let your emotions take over when trying to debate. It clouds the little thought process you have. Think with some fact and do some research before you speak. There is no possible way you can hate people that don't agree with you that much.

Why would anyone vote for a candidate hand picked by union bosses, who live a life far more elite than any lived by the workers they supposedly represent? You do know it was the aflcio interviewing candidates, don't you? While I didn't vote for Walker originally, if there is a recall election, I DEFINITELY will. All I have to do is think about how much the Prosser/Kloppy recount cost, how much the recall is costing, and the fact that on my 2 property tax bills, the education portion went up in Jvl where the teachers rushed to ratify a contract prior to the new law going into effect, and down where they didn't. As far as I am concerned, the Jvl teacher's union sliced their own throats when they did that. Its about time these whiney, spoiled, entitled, self-righteous prigs got dragged into the world the rest of us deal with daily.

Let's see if I can put this in terms cottojoe can understand....it's very simple. Governor Walker never said he was going to strip away bargaining rights. Obama is not like your friend Walker who makes all sorts of wild promises (e.g. 250,000 jobs), fails, and then blames it on someone else (the national economy), while claiming at the same time that government does not create jobs. Scott Walker has repeatedly lied while on the campaign trail and after election. He was elected on false pretenses. Cry me a river. Scott Walker is bad for workers, families and Wisconsin.

Feel free to dispute the 17 major lies listed here.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/...

"Why would half of Wisconsinites vote for a chronic liar?" .... Because our options are to either vote for politicians, or politicians.

fearandretoric - Did the same million people that voted for Barrett sign the petitions?

kaysbrew, we wouldn't eat with you if you paid the entire bill.

"Governor Walker does what he says he will do."
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Like using GAAP to balance the budget? Or using smoke and mirrors to cover a $3 billion deficit?

it's okay mouse to keep posting. just choose one of your many people you use.

mouse
Why should I pay for you or you pay for me??

Good luck with that answer, if you have one.

This is why I never believe in polls. I also have to agree with youkillme.

Okay mouse, lets go out for lunch and I'll order a thick juicy steak and you get a cheese sandwich.
Let's split the bill.
NO???
so you are a conservative at heart.

Let's see if I can put this in terms youkillme can understand....Governor Walker does what he says he will do. He's not like your friend Obama who makes all sorts of wild promises (e.g. 8% unemployment), fails, and then blames it on someone else. Scott Walker recognized the financial trouble the State was in and took steps to get it corrected. He told us as much while on the campaign trail. The irrational hoards of petition signers out there don't like it because it prevents them from feeding at the public trough to the extent they have become accustomed to. Cry me a river. It's about time you start paying for your benefits like those of us in the private sector. You still have it pretty good. The clear-minded voters in the State are tired of your bellyaching. Scott Walker is great for Wisconsin, and the majority of electorate reflects it. How'd I do DickTracy?

He will get my vote again.

That's our boy!

Why would half of Wisconsinites vote for a chronic liar? I don't get it.

GoodAmerican
Jan 25, 2012 at 6:02 a.m.
Have another brew, kay. Your brew-induced ramblings are getting real old. "Pull a string, pull a string, pull a string, and set me up again

OH SNAP! GOTCHA MOUSE!!!! GOOD AMERICAN!!!

I KNEW YOU'D LOSE IT SOON ENOUGH

Good American exposed herself responding to my posts to mouse. Also did the same as Lightkeeper. Not very bright move mouse.

We don't need a poll to know he will be reelected.

Retain Walker!

Waiting for the usual suspects to literally fall all over themselves n this one. St Norbert poll came out and it means nothing , but a Marquette poll means its over, just watch!LOL

701? Over a million people signed petitions!! Polls are for strip clubs!

The margin of error for the size of the lead in the governor’s race is 7.0-7.2 points.

Interesting Poll. Lets see if the republicans who say polls mean nothing will still go there. Follow the link at the bottom of the page for detailed info. Same poll has Obama Beating either Repub frontrunner rather handily.
Funny though this poll of 701 people shows these specific issues that will be HUGE Parts of the campaign:
• 74 percent favored and 22 percent opposed requiring state workers to pay more for pension and health benefits
• 66 percent favored and 32 percent opposed the state’s new voter ID law
• 48 percent favored and 47 percent opposed limiting state employee unions’ ability to bargain over benefits and non-wage issues
• 46 percent favored and 51 percent opposed the new law legalizing the possession of concealed weapons
• 38 percent favored and 55 percent opposed limiting the number of people eligible for the BadgerCare health assistance program
• 29 percent favored and 65 percent opposed reductions in state aid to public school

The last one is the one that is most important, and will be a HUGE part of the campaign. And should be.

The article mentions a 5.0-5.2 MOE and a 7.2 MOE for the Governor's race. I wonder where they got 3.8% MOE.
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In any case a poll with results inside the margin of error means it's really too close to call.
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Wonder if they had Kathy Nickolaus add up the results.

Poll conducted on 701 people who actually answer the phone to answer polls.