It's not about jobs, It's about being able to tear Wisconsin apart with no accountability. The dems did NOT vote down a mine, they voted down a irresponsible mining BILL.

More Wisconsin Democrats creating jobs.....FOR MICHIGAN AND MINNESOTA.

Thanks dems and schultz

http://host.madison.com/ct/business/biz_...

If anyone doubts Gandalf, you can listen to the WISN interview of Sen. Fitzgerald at [ http://www.newstalk1130.com/player/?stat... ]

The specific statement that Gandalf is talking about occurs at 4:07 of the podcast.

If the deposits are as rich as they seem, it is only a matter of time before they get mined.

Might as well mine it when it will do us the most good. Sadly, that might have been now, as the state is bleeding jobs.

I tried doing more research on Gogebic Taconite and it seems it is just a front name for the WI mine. The more I dug, I found what seems the parent company that is clinemining.com . Some very good reading to be sure
. http://www.wisconsin.sierraclub.org/docu...

Great point, Gandalf. Fitzgerald is so entwined with Gogebic that he can no longer differentiate their money from the state's money.

It's a shame that the Republicans couldn't even compromise with a single moderate.

Good riddance! No further bills should be rammed through without consultation of the people -- something the Repugs did everything to avoid.

williams can ask walker & co. for the 3 mil.

"..Brown County is out of sight and does not affect them, so I guess that's okay."

THe same could be said about the thinking on the mine from the Republicans around the State.

By the way, your attempt to change the subject is noted Darlene.

wortnik says-"Seems the repubs have erased the word compromise from their vocabulary - and this is the result."
So wort how many Democrats voted for it? Whats that you say? Oh NONE, you say NO Democrats voted for it? But the word compromise is in the Democrats vocabulary-I guess it-means You agree with US
(my best Johe Esyer).
Ya know I think the guys who think there is some kind of conspiracy might be on to something-
Some kind of back room deal to come back when to Dems are in charge and it's alot more business friendly.

Thank you democrats for trying to keep wisconsin closed for business! And costing many people jobs in the process. (standing ovation)

Thank you Believe Me. You took the words right out of my mouth. Please take a moment to read the following opinion:

http://www.ashlandcurrent.com/opinion/12...

Couple quotes from this article:

What, in fact, these laws and bills DO now allow or would allow when passed, is the following:

-Dredging undesirable “weeds” from waterfronts
-Filling lakes to create beaches or docking facilities
-Piling waste rock and mine tailings in wetlands, along streams and next to lakes

The first two bullet points above contain outright gifts to developers. The dredging and filling processes are incredibly harmful to lakes because bound-up nutrients are released, oxygen-producing aquatic plants are removed, and natural breeding areas of aquatic species are covered with silt.

However, it is the third bullet point that is the most harmful in our estimation. Close your eyes and imagine your favorite stream reduced to a drainage ditch as a result of piling waste rock literally tens or hundreds of feet high and miles long on either side of that stream. Or, imagine it disappeared--just plain filled in. Or, instead, imagine the presence flour-fine mine tailings next to that stream, tailings that turn to liquid and run downhill in heavy rains.

Look!...Squirrel!

Sb 50 referred back....Good!

Liberals like wind energy, but I am not sure if they would like to see the turbines in Lake Mendota...Brown County is out of sight and does not affect them, so I guess that's okay.

Go listen to the proceedings going on now regarding the damage caused by the wind turbines in Brown County. This is an issue that was talked about briefly, and when I commented about the effects of the turbines on people's health, I was ridiculed.
I told first hand, of the effect the turbines had on me, and people dismissed it.
The Senate Bill 50 needs refinement. Now, the liberals want to MOVE forward on this bill.
Mark Miller is talking about the job losses since the wind bill was halted...does this sound familiar?

Now, Miller accuses people of playing games. Vote No on this bill moving forward.

Maybe the 500 private union workers who marched yesterday at the Capitol should start marching at the house of RINO Schultz.

Gandalf, your March 7, 2012 at 7:54 a.m. comment is absolutely correct and eloquently stated.

Twisted logic? SOme people just arent willing to sell out the environemnt for 600 jobs. If we were talking about a factory with a couple thousand jobs. How many tourism dollars would be affected by a mine??
Twisted logic? Not so much, just some common sense, THOUSANDS of jobs have been leaving the state for 6+ months where is the concern for those people?

after reading all the previous posts I am amazed at the twisted logic of liberals. the Dems voted to block the mining bill, which killed a lot of good jobs in WI, but it's the Republicans fault? huh? I hope the private sector unions whose members lost jobs because of this remember at election time and vote Republican.

Bew crew= Cmon, blaming Doyle for all of the jobs lost during the global economic crisis is ridiculous. Wisconsin fared much better than most states during that time. To place the blame on his plate is very wislady like of you.
What I find hilarious is the conservatives who say over and over politicians dont create jobs, want to blame the opposition for losing them, really?
The impacts of this mine would have been far too severe to the northwoods for generations to come. Plus the reason why this didnt happen (yet) is because whenever you want to do somerthing this big it cannot be "streamlined" (fast tracked) in. If there is a huge market up there for this, there are mining companies that will be willing to follow the process to get this done and be accountable for any damage that it may(will) cause the environment.
remember this HUGE source of new jobs would be...600? a small drop in the bucket compared to the jobs that we are losing. Not all 600 would be local, etc.... that being said I am against the mine because I frequent the north woods and dont want it wrecked by an iron ore mine. I also think that the north woods is probably the biggest tourist attraction in this state and a mine will change that HUGE part of the state economy, forever.

Will walker give back the campaign donations from these people?

Remember this is the same governor and legislation that said they didn't care about the jobs trains would bring in, so they can't whine about democrats being against jobs now.

Who would want invest in a state where we are not working to bring business here!!? 150K loss of jobs under Doyle.. Im starting to see why that was!! Democrats feel free to leave the state please so we can get wisconsin working again!

The dems are now on the hook for any job losses

The Republican Legislators are the ones to blame for job losses. Since Republicans have taken control of our State we LEAD THE NATION in job losses. IF the Republicans had ANY sense, they could have streamlined the permit process WITHOUT stripping out the environmental impact issues Mr. Schultz is fighting for. I have a great deal of respect for the manner with which Mr. Schultz has conducted himself in the face of verbal attacks by his own party. woody and concernedwi are correct, no one is telling Gogebic they CAN'T mine here in WI; we simply want them to operate the mine in a manner that helps preserve and protect the natural surroundings. Why didn't the Republican Legislators write their OWN bill, instead of allowing the mine company Gogebic to write the bill for them. Its easier for Republicans to just slam through bad legislation since they have a majority, for now. One more reason to support the recall!

Republicans compromised multiple times to get this to work but Dems and a RINO decided to put politics ahead of principle of bringing thousands of good paying jobs to Wisconsin.. other states in the country are COMPETING for this companies business and the liberals are showing them the door what a disgrace!!

3 mill is pennies to companies like that, suprised the number was that low.

JCK and luvujvl: Who can walk away from a 3 million dollar investment? A smart company. In the world of accounting, it is referred to as "sunk costs". When I was brought up, it was called "do not continue to chase good money after bad money". Same reason GM walked away from Janesville despite the investments in the plant. Same reason paper companies are walking away from Wisconsin mills. Business climate is just too unsettled in Wisconsin with all the politics for companies to make long term committments to come here or stay here without some guarantees. Will be glad to see you all up in northern Wisconsin this year supporting the economy while enjoying the environment you claim to have saved. I am just wondering if all the protest horns are made from recycled plastic and the protest signs made from recycled paper ... Enquiring mind wants to know.

I have to say i'm a bit surprised at what gets removed here. I always wondered what someone had to say to get censored by "the man". Now I know it doesn't take much.
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But yes I agree Stubby, "I'm taking my ball and going home", BIG cry babies.

What kind of mines are they trying to get in the UP? I have snowmobiled twice up there this year and every where there are signs that say...We support UP mining. Is this company trying to get one there too?

"Well - if you won't play by MY rules, then I'm going to take my ball and go home". Bye-bye Gogebic - and take Walker with you when you leave, please.

Too bad this isn't in Janesville - we would have given them $9 million to locate here -

Seriously, who walks away from a $3 million investment? It's not like they can pack up and go somewhere else - the ore deposits aren't going anywhere.

Do companies typically walk away from projects they've already invested $3 million in?

Don't let the (d)ore hit you on the way out.
Seems the repubs have erased the word compromise from their vocabulary - and this is the result. I lay it all on Fitzgerald and his clumsy take no prisoners style of "governing"

The end of the article, the woman writes:

The heavy reality is that Gogebic Taconite (GTAC) will not hire very many local people, and in five years or so:
GTAC will be gone.
The ore will be gone.
The jobs will be gone.
The paychecks will be spent.

But our children will still be here asking:
“Why can’t we drink the water? You are older; you must have done it…”

This type of mining is still legal and this mine could proceed. Gogebic Taconite just didn't want to play by the rules we have in place now. They want to circumvent the current environmental protections we have in place to reduce the liability they would face.

Good article from a woman in Ashland,WI about what the mine would destroy in HER area.

http://www.ashlandcurrent.com/opinion/11...

Of course, Lena blames republicans..

http://www.thewheelerreport.com/releases...

Quote: "The Assembly made numerous changes from current law that affected the operations of a mine, including how the way mines could impact waterways, wetlands and groundwater."

correction..

Darling.

Just got done reading Taylors post, will provide that also.

Senator Taylor says it best....

SENATOR DARLING STATEMENT ON MINING LEGISLATION

MADISON - On Tuesday, State Senator Alberta Darling (R-River Hills) issued the following statement after Senate Democrats voted down a mining compromise.

"The State Senate had a chance to create an environment for hundreds if not thousands of good paying jobs in Northern and Southeastern Wisconsin. The compromise we reached after hours of good faith negotiations protected the environment while making sure a clean and safe ferrous mine could operate in our state.

I am amazed to see Senators, who have watched for years as MMSD dumped raw sewage into Lake Michigan, raise environmental concerns over a bill that provides real protections for the water near the proposed mine.

I will continue to look for real solutions, but I fear the Democrats in the Senate feel it's more important for Scott Walker to lose his job than it is to provide jobs to thousands of folks in our state."

Senator Darling represents portions of Milwaukee, Ozaukee, Washington and Waukesha Counties.

Sad that a compromise was not reached and that people in the southern part of the state know little of the reality of the job market in northern Wisconsin. The empty storefronts will be joined by more. The struggle to keep food on the shelves at the food pantry will increase. With the closing of paper mills in northern Wisconsin, this decision, and the rapidly increasing price of gasoline ... northern Wisconsin economy will continue to wither. But I guess all the southern Wisconsin environmentalists will pay the $4.00 plus per gallon of gas this summer and come up to the pristine north woods this summer as tourists to view what they have saved and help the economy with their dollars.

The bill was never about jobs. It was about changing the rules so a large mining company could come in and conduct business with few guidelines. The company can STILL mine in Wisconsin, they just have to do so in a responsible and accountable manner by following our established rules.

I guess "buying local" is OK as long as the raw materials come from somewhere else.
What an irresponsible, immoral group of idiots we have running this state.

kaysbrew - I saw several of those private union individuals interviewed on the news, and none of them were pleased with the democratics who refused to vote for it...along the lines of said dems talking out both sides of their faces.

Perfect example of how government can really screw things up economically. Things will only get worse, the message that Wisconsin is not business friendly is widely known all over the country, I guess I can take comfort in knowing some things never change. Good luck other states with the new jobs coming your way.

It will also be fun to watch which direction now the 5 PRIVATE unions who lost in this liberal political suicide mission will react.

The liberals were in a no win situation here. Vote for this bill and be forever cast out by the blue fist public sector union thugery or vote against the bill and forever be known as job killers.
A very crystal clear message just exactly who is for jobs in Wisconsin and who is against jobs in Wisconsin. A message that will resonate come election time.
Thank you liberals and one rino for showing the path forward to the undecided Wisconsin voters.
Jobs Jobs Jobs.
Not if you are a liberal.

dadof4, you are correct, it is a bluff of some sort. One wonders where it originated.

The Penokee Range iron ore deposits are huge and they are rich. The company apparently does not want to have many rules or laws governing them in Wisconsin. This might show that they would not be good neighbors at all.

The North Woods has had robber barons go throught it once already. All they left was a denuded, barren landscape after they took the lumber off the land. They even had the gall to advertise this denuded land in Europe for sale as good farmland, already cleared of trees. Many settlers came and tried to farm it and of course the climate would not allow it. This is where much of the County, State and National Forest land came from, it was taken by the government, after the settlers could not pay the taxes on the property.

If this company wants the ore, they will pay for it and follow the law.

thanks to all the liberal job killers that will send a mesage to that bad gov not to mess with them. thanks so much

dado4 - You might be on to something here, I don't see them walking away this easily, I think they want that mine pretty bad.

It's about time someone in Madison made a good decision.

I am making the call, this is a bluff in an effort to force the senate to make a hasty decision.

Whereas this is not good news for Wisconsin's job prospects, it is a step in the right direction for conserving natural resources and protecting a pristine environment for future generations and enhancing tourism in that area. But I still wonder, if Gogebic Taconite started here in Wisconsin, why is it incorporated in Florida? Wouldn't this be an interesting business story for the Gazette?

Time to vote everyone who voted against these jobs out of office the next time they come up for re-election!!!!!!!!!!!!!