donnaw, I didn't call you any names and I didn't put you down. Was I critical of your responses? Yes. If you think I put you down it can only be because you're being disingenuous in saying that and/or because you're trying to distract from the responses you provided. Most likely, both. See RAF if you need your victim card punched.

Poo...forget having a meaningful discussion with you. You just like to name call and do a put down to people who respond to you. You twist words and meanings. I'm through.

donnaw, you had your chance to list major issues and solutions and you came up with Viagra and birth control. That speaks volumes. Now, you bring up that those 23,000 and tens of millions of others can use emergency rooms for their primary healthcare. Do you have any idea how much more expensive it is to use emergency care as opposed to a primary care doctor? And these people still are unable to pay for emergency care, so you know who ends up paying for the greatly increased cost of emergency care, don't you? Absolutely ludicrous response. Your lost in the fairyland of conservative rhetoric now. If you never saw a government that could run an efficient program, why would you even SUGGEST that government try to reduce fraud? Doesn't make sense. The largest reason fraud exists is because there are millions of payers and thousands of providers and insurance companies. Simplify!

poo..I never said these items were "major problems" but places to start to cut back the philosophy of all things for all people. There are many other areas....that's just a start. I didn't notice any of your suggestions for cutting back on fraud in govt programs so that the funds go to those who need them. Those children who need medical care can go free clinics and emergency rooms, as I said previously if they can't get on a state program like Badger care. And sure, raise taxes on those high income people, which according to some sources, isn't going to add much. I don't believe in one payer health system because I have never seen the govt able to efficiently and honestly administer any program. Just look at all the waste and fraud in programs.

donnaw said, "Here are my ideas: means test for social security, more scrutiny in medicare benefits, no more payroll deduction holidays, no insurance coverage for birth control, Viagra, etc., no more bailouts for anybody---you choose the behavior then you chose the consequences, cut unemployment weeks down."

You call those ideas for economic reform? They sound more like penal code reforms to punish people. Not one of them addresses the issue of these 23,000 children and adults who will be left without healthcare and join the tens of millions of other Americans without healthcare.

1) Cut the defense budget by $550 billion per year and repatriate all American troops. There is no reason other than enriching ultra-wealth owners of our military-industrial complex for spending more money under the guise of "national defense" than the next TWENTY high spending countries COMBINED.

2) Bring tax rates back to the levels they were during some of this country's greatest growth with next to zero deficits.

3) Eliminate all tax loopholes and government subsidies so that effective tax rates equal published tax rates.

Take only some of the money saved by those three steps and implement a national, single-payer healthcare system that eliminates private healthcare insurance companies from the equation. No premiums, no billing for services, no co-pays, no complicated choices of drug coverage, no age restrictions, no pre-existing condition restrictions, every person covered. One plan for everyone.

1) Eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans Administration healthcare and all other state and federal healthcare programs and replace it with one nationwide plan for everyone.

2) Require pharmaceutical companies to sell drugs to the government healthcare plan at the lowest price they are sold to anyone else -- much like our current government schedules for other items.

3) Limit malpractice damages.

4) Change the incentive program for doctors to base their pay on the comparative wellness of their patients as opposed to how many patients they are able to process.

This is good business, and sooner or later in America, business will recognize it and be leading the charge for it along with your conservative friends when all of the other halfhearted schemes are exposed for what they are and the existing patchwork quilt of inferior healthcare services and obscene "defense" spending bankrupts the country.

I'm not sure whether to cry or laugh when you seriously suggest two of the major problems are birth control and Viagra when we have people dying and suffering in this country every year because they can't afford healthcare. Viagra? Birth control? Seriously? As Corey Robin, author of The Reactionary Mind so ably stated, "...conservatism is a defense of the rights of bosses and husbands/fathers."

poo...same question: where do we get the money? Where are your specific ideas? If this country goes down the tubes nobody's children will get health care. There are free clinics and emergency rooms so children can get care if they need it. And nutrition? Come on! People know what they should be eating...some chose not to eat the right things. That's their choice. Here are my ideas: means test for social security, more scrutiny in medicare benefits, no more payroll deduction holidays, no insurance coverage for birth control, Viagra, etc., no more bailouts for anybody---you choose the behavior then you chose the consequences, cut unemployment weeks down. And what can I say about political donations and the obscene amounts being spent on campaigns! That money would pay for a lot of healthcare.

donnaw, you still have not explained what will happen to these 23,000 children and adults when they need medical care?

donnaw said, 'They don't care what it costs, they just "want it now!"'

donnaw and many of her tea party compatriots know the cost of almost everything and the value of nothing.

Yes, I want healthcare for sick and dying children and adults who can't afford it. I want it for them now. I want education for every child and young adult who wants an education but can't afford it. I want it for them now. I want proper nutrition and shelter for those who can not afford it. I want it for them now. I want Democrat and Republican economic elitist politicians to quit stealing from middle income people and giving it to the ultra-wealthy so we, as a nation, can afford these things. I want them to stop stealing now.

Poo is just like all the other liberals. They want this and they want that, like a spoiled child in a toy store. They don't care what it costs, they just "want it now!" How are we going to pay for all these wonderful new goodies? After awhile you run out of other people's money. We will end up like Greece. Every day Obama comes out with a new plan to spend more money. Never mind the programs he has already proposed cost double what he said they would. Sometime we will have to stop and say "No More!" At what point do we do that?

@justmy414 - eye dee ten tea

justmy414: That is so true...LOL...I will have to remember that, thanks for the chuckle.

Are there no work houses, no debtors prisons, no child indentured servants ,how can this be a republican America.

Democrats plan is free everything for everyone, guess what there is no one left to pay.

Republican health care plan: Rule 1: Don't get sick. Rule 2: if you break rule 1- die quickly.

The only problem with the Affordable Care Act is that it didn't go far enough. It should have been a nationwide, single-payer healthcare system that eliminated health insurance companies from the program entirely. Sooner or later, the USA will arrive at single-payer, nationwide healthcare coverage for all citizens. It's just a matter of time and economic necessity.

LibertyBelle and Bowlgal, can you please explain what will happen to these 23,000 children and adults when they need medical care?

A Democratic campaign office building in Florida was just asked by a group of veterans to take down the American flag they were flying that had Obama's face in the square where the stars usually are. Scary!

Well, Obama said he wanted to "fundamentally change America." We are there folks!

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43080

23,000 people represents about 2% of the people in wisconsin who receive medicaid benefits. I am sure there is at least that much fat that could be trimmed.

Thank you LibertyBelle, it will cost more then a trillion and you are right. The left who have already critized have no knowledge apparently.

LibertyBelle - That's right get your facts straight, Its going to cost almost TWO trillion dollars not $900 Billion - and that's still just a guess.

Nice to see the crazies are on topic... again.

Libertybelle= Get your facts straight before you spout off.

boy, that sure is a lot of dead babies

We find out from the CBO report today that the Democrats are robbing from Medicaid and Medicare in Obamacare and that the HHS has just force every one to pay for abortions. It will cost more then a trillion, about twice the amount they claimed. Democrats told us to pass the bill to see what's in it.
States like Wisconsin are left in the wake.
Number one priority is to repeal ObamaNoCare.