Intrade has FINALLY put out a market on Walker's chances of being recalled (myself and others have been making requests). Market has opened at a 55% chance that he wins re-election. Pretty square opening price. If it comes down to Walker vs Fauk, I'd be buying some serious shares of walker to win, if I'm going to get near even money on it! Should be a fun one to see how it plays out!

truecitizen, if you are a government employee and support Walker then you must be one of his appointed employees who is drawing a large salary.

yeah, I loved that one, too SarahB1, but I don't have full understanding of how the budget, deficit, etc. is even calculated anymore.... -Turned a $3 billion deficit into a $300 million surplus

I can make my personal account go from a large deficit to a large surplus myself if I had criminals cooking my books. just sayin'

oh...and SarahB1 and Poobah...gotta give you both props as well....thanks. :D

btw: thekai, I agree with Tim...and to be CLEAR and CONCISE, I disagree with TheJoker. (I wanted to make sure I didn't confuse anyone with my "vote" of who has the more logical posts...)

As others have stated, I appreciate your well thought out responses that I find very easy to follow, comprehend and give me logical reasons to point to why I feel the way I do about our current political arena...or mud wrestling match...and why I choose to back the candidates I do. Thanks!

I also appreciate fearandrhetoric4dummies responses and find myself wishing the whole comment section could be less childish shoot-from-the-hip emotional responses, but more educated, thought-provoking, and civil discussions.

Winterstinks, I'm confused by one of your statistics that you give Walker "credit" for:

-Cut more than 1,000 government jobs, including 735 long-term vacancies

so...the positions have been vacant for years, the people covering the vacancies are doing that job and have been for years, with no extra pay for doing more than their job requires, pay freezes for at least 2 years, but not less work...and the worker is not complaining about doing the extra work....yet you give the credit to WALKER?! Wow...yet another slap across the face to the worker who does their job plus another job and gets publicly accused of being a slacker. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE'S LOGIC!!!! (by the way, if my arithematic is correct, it ends up being 265 government jobs he cut...generally in the corrections and education careers, which are the areas this state needs most funding and staffing to educate and protect. You see it your way, but I'll still view it as a negative.)

I'm not a big union "backer"...collective bargaining; however, IS one of the most valuable services provided by the unions. I DON'T like that the union reps "go to bat" for bad employees-no one wants a lazy co-worker, a complaining co-worker, one who makes the workday impossible to try to enjoy. IF Walker had had the sense to negotiate, compromise...or heck, even DISCUSS the issue, we wouldn't be in this situation today. It IS Walker's fault he is being recalled. Don't blame this on the public sector workers who have a right to voice their opinions. Have YOU ever gone up to your boss and said, "hey, you know, I think I'm being overpaid and you are being very generous with my benefits." ????? NO?!?! Why not?! Why WOULD YOU?! Every state employee understands that they have had very nice benefits, but that they cannot continue as they had been. EVERY state employee understands this. But...Walker successfully slapped state workers across the face, as if it were individually each state worker's fault...and then while they stood in shock, he slapped them again with not being represented in any way. This is ENTIRELY Walker's own fault for being a bully. I have no saddness that he is going up the creek without a paddle....none. zero.

I agree. Have you noticed how these thoughts are accepted when argued by lefties, but when the conservative people argue it...it is waived off as conspiracy theory? I say the presence of the middle man (union thugs), is the proof! Everyone knows who the Koch brothers are, does anyone follow the big wigs driving the unions? Or socialism in this country? George Soros etc? Spooky stuff, and I hope people open their eyes and self educate.

Oh, but dear my Winterstinks...how dare we ask for an ID to vote, that's going to sway people from voting. (Dumbest argument ever about having an ID to vote). I agree, Walker has pushed for fiscal responsibility and protecting our REAL rights. I love how the left is not even going to allow him a full term (if they get their way), to show the positive changes.
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I guess if we end up with a patsy-freak like a Kathy Falk, then we'll just have to go back to being in severe debt with tail-wagging the dog all over the state. Maybe then we can have government push even harder than before. Not only will they raise taxes on everything like tobacco again, but now they'll punish anyone that doesn't do it their way. We can't mine, bit let's have windmills everywhere! Roads, bridges, etc are going to heck, but we have EPA, DNR, people telling us exactly what to do etc etc. Then we can attack those evil rich business types, so that no one has a job (unless it's a government position paid by the tax payers at an unequal pay scale).
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I see the truth for what it is, and I am a government employee. I support Walker all the way!

"I turned in a complaint to the GAB against several people, one Janesville teacher who had students signing a petition. One person who put a dead relative and their cat on a petition and against one person who collected 50 signatures from a one bedroom shanty." -from totellthetruth @ 7:08am.

I don't believe your claims, totellwhatever, do you have proof? I think you pulled this out of your.

I'm about as interested in the koch brothers as I am in providing 100% tax payer paid pensions to public sector employees.. not at all... that's more like neighbors stealing from neighbors, not helping them. But I do want to say one thing regarding your cult like anti Koch brothers rant.. do you REALLY think politicians on the other side of the aisle being owned by unions, and Obama's organizing for America is ok? You do know it was moveon.org that paid for the felonious 14's vacation in Illinois, don't you?

"I have a problem with that because the person claiming to be the Koch_Bros in my opinion is really the Koch_Bros." from WisconsinResident@ 9:19am.

WisconsinResident, are you saying that you actually think that the person who posts the satirical posts as Koch_Bros is for real?

Whew!

I know English well what I don’t like is our politicians selling out to the special interest or individuals. Teapartysal you don’t have to like me and you are entitled to your opinion but research the Koch_Bros once you may or may not like what you find. But ask this question do you want your Governor in an individual’s back pocket? If that claim is true or would you want an honest Governor.

Teapartysal I will try my best to avoid any misunderstanding. Like you I am guilty of misspelling a few words but I’ll try my best to avoid any confusion or any miss understanding. I’m an independent always have been and always will be. The Koch_Bros that is if they are the Koch_Bros which I doubt they are thinking they can by our State and our Governor. I don’t know if you have been paying attention but there are claims the Governor Walker has been bought by the Koch_Bros. What this means if it is true is Walker sold Wisconsin out to a special interest. I have a problem with that because the person claiming to be the Koch_Bros in my opinion is really the Koch_Bros. I also don’t like people special interest coming into Wisconsin thinking they can by Wisconsin the people run this state and not the special interest or individuals. If they were the Koch_Bros let me ask this if I may if they were the Koch_Bros do you really think they we waste time with a rincky dink paper like the Janesville Gazette? I have researched the Koch’s once the claim was made I know all about their family history and how many times they been in trouble with the government. They’re not the type of people I want doing business in Wisconsin like that. When I vote for someone I am voting for a candidate not a special interest. When I vote for a candidate I expect them to keep their promise once in office and not just make a speech because it’s there idea of what they think the people want to here. I do not want a candidate in office that sells out to a special interest or individuals or politicians that run away from their responsibilities. That is not what in my opinion Wisconsin is about. Wisconsin is about family our friends and neighbors sticking together and doing the right thing to move Wisconsin forward. That in my opinion is what I think Wisconsin is about.

First to TheJoker I apoligize that some on here may get us confused. Second Fear attacks again. It is me that has a problem with a hand not an arm. In the same conversation we had you admitted to making typos. Get off the high horse. your excuse was you type fast.

I wasn't even going to bother to post on this topic.. but really, I have to ask.. Wisconsin Resident.. what the HELL language are you speaking? I'll fess up to my share of typos, etc.. but really, learn English you must before comment you do.

Koch_Bros
You know how to shame a rich man make him poor. You go ahead will take your money but you do not have enough to buy Wisconsin that is if you are realy the Koch_Bros. Wisconsin is not for sale nor our are politicians for sale but if you want to give your money away you go right ahead no problem will put to good use will use it to pay for the recall an save the tax payers some money.

916WI said, "Regardless, the legislation he pushed through in seemingly record time, is now entrenched. This is a very good thing from the perspective of many of the state's residents."

Yes, from the ruling today it is so very clear just how "entrenched" the legislation is. It is so "entrenched" that it is now being struck down, piece by piece.

I have little doubt that walker will come out ahead in this--there is always that chance though. Regardless, the legislation he pushed through in seemingly record time, is now entrenched. This is a very good thing from the perspective of many of the state's residents. It's been a wild ride as far as Wisconsin politics are concerned over the last year--it definitely has kept things interesting! Political leanings pushed aside, I hope everyone has a great weekend.........

ps Mouse--Who is "Ponochio"??

@poor- You're right- thekai isn't impartial
(I guess none of us are or should be, it wouldn't be fun) but his posts try to see both sides without the blatant name calling and he presents some great talking points.

thekai posts are for the most part thought out (sometimes too thought out) but not impartial-Just on this page of posts he has called Gov. Walker-ignorant,a bully,bottom of the barrel,worse Governor Wisconsin has ever had,ruthless,liar,cheater and not a good person. Who's mind are you trying to change? You're smart enough so you can make your points without the name calling and it brings you down to level of some of those others who I will not name.

You see that joker?? You are the only one who can't comprehend what kai is saying. I bet that's because you are so wise and we are not. Keep bragging about those degrees at the same time you fail to comprehend one of the best posters on here, that will help convince peeps of that pseudo intelligence thing yer rockin!!

Just sitting back and enjoying a Friday night cocktail while reading the blogs. I am lately seldom interested in posting because beating a dead horse ( kaysbrew, fedup, wislady, teapartysal,bowgal etc) is so frustrating but I have to comment. Thekai's posts are some of the most well thought out and impartial posts on this venue that I have seen. I enjoy reading them and I learn from them. Fear and Poo- keep it up too.

Same old discussion board. When you know you are beaten, you start personal attacks. Yes, I have college degrees and have done quite well both professionally and personally. If you are still jealous of me, that is your problem.

Thejoker, you have refreshed my memory about your massive education. Didn't you used to speak of your huge business and real estate holdings in the area also? Perhaps the proletariat should be reminded of all of that too. That way you can get all of the respect that you deserve.

TheJoker said, "I happen to have several college degrees, quite a bit more than a 4th grade education."

Just curious, did you print those several degrees on 20 pound copy paper or on some really nice 25% linen paper?

To say, "Kai's posts are hard to read because they make no sense and are just ramblings of a mixed up person," would tend to indicate that none of your several college degrees involved the study of Informal Logic or Psychiatry.

We have a clear choice-the old way of spend,tax,spend,tax and run up deficits (like the federal government) or we can do it the way most of us have to do it. Spend what you make,try not to go in the hole too much,save a little for a rainy day and mind your own business. For 8 years we lived under Doyle"spending and give aways to the unions and giant tax increases, raiding from one fund after another and sticking us with a Billion dollar tax increase in the middle of the and still left us with a 3 Billion dollar deficit. Like I said-A clear choice.

"I happen to have several college degrees" from thejoker @ 7:12pm.

Wow! Gosh! You sure must be smart! I'll bet you do all of the cyphering at your house! I am so awed that I'm gonna have to have an attack of some kind or something. Yup, that sure is something.

Tthompson, if you want to have a go at it with me, be my guest. I can run circles around you too and make you look foolish. I happen to have several college degrees, quite a bit more than a 4th grade education.

Kai's posts are hard to read because they make no sense and are just ramblings of a mixed up person. But I am used to dealing with slow people in Janesville.

Fear, what are you talking about? Never had a bum arm. I am very fit and take great care of myself.

Please mouse. Please share with the class how I am double talking?? Unless you are referring to my ability to see tools on both sides of the debate?? If that perspective is stupid double talk I'll take it. Much preferred to those who have a perspective, only see that perspective, and refuse to even acknowledge the legitimacy of anothers perspective.

Mouse: My tongue twisting?? It's merely a battle of wits to which you are unarmed. That's funny that you are ready to judge me as stupid based on a few posts that you don't agree with. I TRULY feel sorry for your thought process and lack of acceptance. Being called stupid by you suddenly doesn't seem like its as much of an insult. As for those invisible readers, I truly believe that you will have more leaning to the right after reading a few of your posts than there are invisible readers nodding along saying 'keep it up mouse'. I know I do. Good day.

Kai: I love you brother but it's time to give up. Joker obviously isn't even reading your posts, and if he is, he has a reading comprehension level of less than most 4th graders.

People who have been voting for Democrats for 50 years are still poor..how is that being intelligent?- vatoloco@ 5.56pm

Oh, kind of like this, huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozJmPVrSh...

Wow now that this is going to be a reality you guys are still complaining. Just make sure on election day you vote for the right person.

TheJoker
Mar 30, 2012 at 5:13 p.m.
Suggest removal

I would also suggest others use spell and grammar check before they post their messages. Their ignorance is really showing

TheJoker
Mar 5, 2012 at 9:56 p.m.
Suggest removal
"People need to show respect to out governor...."
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"I suggest you get back to your education, because clearly you are lacking in it. Since I have a kind heart, I will quit making you look more foolish."

Funny Joker I mentioned some typos you made awhile ago, and you blamed it on a bum arm. Maybe your brain is bum as well.Hilarious!!

TheJoker,
At what point did I compare Walker to Hitler et al? I was pointing out why your logic is false.

My opinion is not based on any affinity for public employees. My opinion is based on how Scott Walker conducts himself, as I have now repeated. I do not have any family members in the public sector.

You could go on and on about how wrong I am? Go ahead, start. I'm waiting. I've asserted many of my opinions, some of which are strong opinions. Regardless, I often point to the fact that they are just my opinions.

To put it another way, I'm not saying that I am right and Eagle1 is wrong, for example. I am saying this is my opinion, and I respect Eagle1's opinion, even though it differs from mine. If you haven't noticed, Eagle1 has returned the favor. I think if we all learned to do that, the environment would become a lot less hostile.

I am not so sure you've made me look foolish to anyone but yourself. However, obviously I can not pass fair judgement on myself, so I will let others decide which one of us looks more foolish.

I enjoy when people use proper grammar and spelling, but I don't enjoy arrogantly pointing out grammatical errors others make. Almost everyone knows the term, grammar Nazi. In the end, words are just arbitrary symbols. We've assigned meaning and value to these symbols to help make communication easier, but the message someone wants to convey need not absolutely depend on these meanings or values. As long as you can understand the message someone is trying to get across, there is no need for correction in an informal setting, in my opinion. After all, we all make mistakes. Even the most careful writers will make grammatical errors. The only issue is, if, due to poor grammar, a message is not very clear, that leads the receiver of the message to make assumptions in order to interpret what is being said. Sometimes false assumptions can and will be made.

I'll be happy come June 6th just to have this stupidity end. I will be voting for Walker as I agree with the direction the state is going.

bob- I can COMPLETELY respect that POV, thanks for reasonable contribution.

Barrett will have a better shot than Falk, still no good candidates on the democratic side. Wish Schultz would run against Walker in Primary. This is an anti-walker referendum more than pro-anyone else. Sad to say but true.

TheKai, by comparing Gov. Walker to Hitler, Bin Laden, Hussein, etc, you are really showing how sick and insane you really are. How dare you!!

Your logic is so off base it is beyond funny. How can you say he is the worst governor when you have never met any of them?!

Your opinion is based simply on your emotions and affinity for public employees. Let me guess, someone in your family works in the public sector.

I could go on and on to show how wrong you and many others on this board are. Face it, I have run circles around you. I suggest you get back to your education, because clearly you are lacking in it. Since I have a kind heart, I will quit making you look more foolish.

I would also suggest others use spell and grammar check before they post their messages. Their ignorance is really showing.

The fat lady has not sung yet.
While I am not totally happy with Walker, I did vote for him, and will vote to keep him in.
As I have mentioned many times, who does the opposition have to run against him...When I ask my friends that differ in opinion form me they always say "ANYBODY"
Well, the time is now to get that ANYBODY on the ticket.
If Walker is defeated, I will accept it.
If he wins, I sure hope all the haters here will finally shut up....(but I am sure they will find something else to complain about)
Will just wait and see now.

T - You have a good time if we don't meet on the sites this week.

Good news, Tom Barrett is running for Governor!!! Now we can tell the state all the good things that Walker has done to help Barrett save his city.... Yeahhhhhhhhh
I would love to see that debate. So Tom, which part of my actions do you disagree with. The savings of millions of dollars, or the savings of millions of dollars to your city?
I think the Democrats know Falk is in deep do-do.

Check it out at... Barrett is running.
jsonline.com

And more GREAT news...TOM BARRETT will RUN IN THE RECALL ELECTION. Goodbye Scotty.

Of course I am!! I've only missed two Miller Park openers. At least I think that's the number...the games are a bit blurrier when I was a drinker;) Follow Peace & Glove that day cuz I'm feeding my twitter into that for a 'live' blog!!

stoutt66

Hasn't the enrollment declined? And, even if they have to lay off some teachers, are they still not within the guidelines for number of teachers recommended?

BTW....Barrett has decided he will run for governor, because using part of Act 10 worked so great for him.

Vegas set the over/under at 300 for the number of times wanker will claim this is all about "big government union bosses" between now and recall day. I'm taking the over.

NBC News/Marist survey of the state's all-but-certain recall election released on Friday morning.

A generic Democrat holds a small lead over Walker -- 48 percent to 46 percent -- which falls within the poll's margin of error. Independents are split, with 45 percent favoring Walker and 46 percent going for the Democrat.

Voters are similarly split evenly when it comes to Walker's job approval numbers: Forty-eight percent approve of the job he is doing while 48 percent disapprove.

What Poll are you looking at Fedup? Im looking for Walkers approval ratings at 50? And that is with he and nis super Pacs dumping millions in already!!

thekai, the support of your comments made by fear and tthompson are well deserved. Your comments are well-informed and interesting.

Mouse, regarding your 4:13pm comment; the comments by tthompson clearly underscore his intelligence and show a thoughtfulness and sense of civility that is all too often lacking. He's another person whose comments I find very interesting.

Have a great weekend - 7 more days!!!!!!!!
Are you going??

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Eagle1,
When I compare what Scott Walker did with Act 10 to what Obama accomplished with the health care overhaul, I frequently come to the same conclusion.

Scott Walker pushed through the budget repair over night, and the only reason it took so long to pass was because our state senators were able to prevent quorum. The health care bill that was passed took several months of negotiation.

Act 10 was passed with absolutely no compromise, and no input regarded from the Democrats (or any other political party). The health care overhaul received great input from Republicans, even though in the end, they still did not get behind it. It is one reason most liberals complain about the health care bill. For instance, I wish we had a single payer option, and originally that was the plan.

While both pieces of legislation became hot button issues, and both seem partisan, that is about where the comparisons stop. In fact, there were a lot of compromises made on the health care bill. Obama did not consider compromise a dirty word, and he tried very hard to please everyone.

I have frequently said, I do believe that Scott Walker had the right to advocate for Act 10. He won the election to be governor, he gets to drive the bus. However, he also has an obligation to get input from everyone else. He has an obligation to listen to people's concerns, and consider compromise. Yes, reform unions. Yes, balance the budget in the manner that you think is best (for Republicans, that seems to usually involve cutting social programs, and tax cuts for businesses or the wealthy). However, don't tell everyone else their opinion doesn't matter.

A careful analysis reveals the differences between Scott Walker and Obama. Obama won the election, he was voted president. Obama wanted to push through health care reform. Obama listened to the opposition and tried to work with them. Obama made compromises to try to please everyone. Republicans didn't want health care reform period, so no matter what Obama did, they wouldn't be happy. However, Obama tried to please all. Walker wanted to hurt the unions. Democrats wanted to soften the blow. It didn't matter to Walker, he decided he had a mandate, and he ran with it.

Good for you T - you rock too! mouse like to get people to sink to her level and you didn't go there. You are my hero!!

Eagle1,
You're welcome. I really wish more people would state reasons besides, "Walker attacked the unions" to recall Walker. I hope that people are not just blindly following unions in this fight. I hope people share my concerns, and want to recall Walker for the same or similar reasons I do.

Now that I realize you are a libertarian, your arguments make sense to me. It is absolutely true that so many people wouldn't have been affected if government had not grown so large. In some ways, I do agree with you. Sometimes it seems government is too big. However, I think perhaps the real problem is inefficiency. If the government were more efficient, it may seem smaller. I also definitely champion social programs. Public education and health care for everyone are two ideas I believe in very strongly.

I'm STUPID?? Wow. Again, REAL EASY to say such juvenile things when you can hide behind an online i.d. isn't it?? Have you ever shaken my hand?? Met me in person?? No you haven't because if you had, you wouldn't say I'm stupid. Slow maybe;), but not stupid. If you wanna be all juvenile about this I can get immature with the best of them, but I insist we first must battle in a game of four-square and whomever ends up in the servers square can claim playground king and the other will be relegated to stupid doodie head. Agreed??

You don't have to run Kai, but I am 110% serious when I say that I am going to write your name in for gov'na!!

Most of the people replying to fear's 2:38pm comment are the very same ones who were flapping their jaws about how half of the petition signatures were illegal, fraudulent, duplicates, about how only half as many signatures as claimed were turned in, blah, blah, blah! How can one not laugh?

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TheJoker,
Why is it so difficult for your to accept that I have an opinion based on logic? Is it because, perhaps, your opinion is based on feeling? Do you simply feel as though I am delusional, and paranoid? Do you simply feel as though I am a cry baby, whining because I didn't get my way? Do you feel as though Walker is a great person? Or do you have some sort of logic you are using, but for whatever reason, you would rather flame people and troll the forums, versus have an adult conversation? You said that you are a professional, so why do you never act like a professional on these forums? Are you lowering the bar of what it means to be a professional?

If you want to flame and troll, please direct your comments toward other trolls. There are plenty on this site, arguing for both sides. If you want to be an adult, a professional, and have a real conversation; if you want to find out how the two of us simply have a fundamental difference of opinion; if you ever want to respect someone even though their views differ from yours; if you ever want to open up your mind at least a little bit, and agree to disagree; if you want to allow someone to have their own opinion, for the courtesy in return, then talk to me, or others on this site similar to myself. Otherwise, you are nothing more than a distraction. Please let the adults have a reasonable conversation. Please let the adults focus on making some sort of progress. Please let the adults try to understand each other better.

Mouse: I'm Newt?? Do you even have any idea of what you speak?? I assume you have a reason for that, other than your usual unintelligent juvenile garble?? Sure is easy to sling mud behind an online i.d. isn't it?? I bet if you hopped over to MTV.com you could find a chat room with more like minded 15 year olds who like to post random in-coherent things

Thank you fear, and Tim.
I will not be running for any public office at this time, though. I have to put my education first.

TheJoker,
Have you ever had anyone analyze yourself? You said I have a lot of nerve challenging you. Do you think so highly of yourself, or is it that you think so lowly of myself? So, you deal with people like your perception of me in your every day professional life. And just what is your perception of me, exactly? You base your claim on my supposed paranoid rants and delusions. What, pray tell, are these paranoid rants and delusions?

Let me ask you this. Have you ever met Adolf Hitler? Saddam Hussein? Osama Bin Laden? Gaddafi? Timothy McVeigh? Benito Mussolini? If not, how can you claim to know anything about any of those figures? Further, your logic is faulty beyond just that one point of contention. By your logic, I would have to have met every, or nearly every, governor Wisconsin has ever had, in order to declare any governor the worst governor. That's not even physically possible. Your requirements mean then, that no conclusion could ever be reached. The best a person could hope to do is compare a governor to all the governors that person has met in their entire life.

This recall has nothing to do with, "your candidate lost and you just can't accept it." Nothing at all. It has everything to do with how Walker has conducted himself as our governor. It has everything to do with the black eye Walker has given Wisconsin. It has every bit to do with why we are even arguing right now. Walker polarized the state more than I've ever seen, and probably more than any other governor of Wisconsin, ever.

Kay, Milton teachers gave every penny of the ACT 10 requirements and now they are losing 8-10 jobs going into next year and all aides that don't work enough hours are losing their health care. In Johnson Creek, more of the same, cuts of teachers and not replacing teachers who retire or leave. Thanks for the tools Walker!

Well mouse, where is your subject line? - one says something about Kathy Nicholas, another about sick cows with cash and the usual and expected Koch fetish. Good for you, keep trying? Always entertaining.

I'll bet those teachers would rather give a little and have a job. What do you think??

stoutt66
Did you happen to get the school districts these jobs that were lost. Are the taking advantage of Act 10?? Don't think so....

Fedup, according to a report released from the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, Wisconsin lost an estimated 12,500 public and private jobs between January 2011 and 2012, the most of any state in the country. Facts! I'm Fed up with that!!!! Just wait until the rest of the states school districts make their cuts like Milton.

I even love you mouse. Bless your little heart, your party needs good marching soldiers and you do a bang up job. You are not successful, but you keep trying and that is what America is all about.
I love you!!

I haven't talked to Gary Primer lately but you know T - I love you guys!!!

Thank you t!! ;)

If Walker was elected to avoid laying off the public sector workers he is doing a terrible job of that.

SUCCESS!! YOU ROCK KAY!!

Sorry t
pardon me mouse ..What? the Koch's want to poison the very air they breathe??? Only a very mis-informed individual who isn't thinking though the statement and checking all the facts would make such an erroneous statement.
Maybe the Kochs can share the safe room in the Soros castle.

What? the Koch's want to poison the very air they breathe??? Only a liberal would be so ignorant. Maybe to lock themselves away in the Soros castle.

Fear,
First off Walker is 50% approval and 45% disappove and 5 undecided. I did answer your recall question. Second, lets play Democrat - Walker was elected to stop thousands and thousands of public workers from getting laid off. Not just teachers, but our valued protectors. So to play Democrat, and to balance the budget, Walker lays off all those thousands and thousands and the left will say "he balanced the budget on the backs of the middle class" - instead he saved those jobs and asked for a small percentage and gave the schools the chance to save money. He gave those thousands that still have their jobs a choice to opt out of the unions instead of contributing with forces extraction of union dues. Yup, he should have just laid off those thousands and thousands and thousands. That was Barretts plan and he lost 2010.

tthompson...you and thekai are a match made in heaven. Go ahead and vote for him, it probably makes more sense than voting for Falk!

I also find it interesting that the POTUS could be leading Romney by so much and yet an unpopular dope like Walker is sitting at 47% approval? Polls are flawed, records of politicians arent. He will now have to run on his record. See how he defends record cuts to public ed? Among other issues that he loses on! No more promises, just realities. You can defend YOUR governor all you like I look forward to seeing him squirm, if nothing else. He will be mopped up in any debates(if he chooses to have one), because as we all know he is not a very intelligent man. Debates arent Greta Van Sustren lobbing softballs, he will be challenged, and rhetoric may work for you Kay , but clear thinking folks will want real answers.

Anyone want to answer from the hard right about all who said wed never be here? About how there would be massive fraud? Less than 800K signatures? ETC, ETC,ETC....
I guess we will se who is more motivated on June 5th wont we? The funny thing is that the democrats won't even be fielding a decent candidate, and yet we will be having another nailbiter of an election.
Oh yes and try to remember that the Republican super-majorty is GONE! So even if he squeaks by, there will be no more rubber stamp for Scotty. Not to mention that John Doe is Scott Walker and he is under investigation, if and when that other shoe falls it will be very interesting.

However, I never claimed to not be a smart a..

see t - me civil - liberal uncivil (see mouse)
as we discussed on previous site.

mouse, do you have some make up for me. Is it free?

Anyone who insists on blasting thekai for sharing his opinion(I'm lookin at you smiley) isn't really reading his posts. I'm sure you've blasted those who hate on Obama even though they've never met him yes?? No?? Disagree with him if you want, but to deny his logical and well thought out responses is just silly and only reflects on said hater.

I am seriously going to write in Thekai for governor. Veteran. Uniter. Liberty lover. HE IS AMERICA.

Okay Fear - settle down. You only needed a small percent of signatures in relation to the votes cast for Walker. Since he only won by 52%, that was not going to be too hard to come up with, even if there was no cheating. However, in the lastest poll, he is only 45% unfavored. That also tells me those 45% signed or back the recall. It will be a very close election as was Prosser/Klopenburg. Be warned we are just as fired up to protect our Governor as you are to get rid of him. So ya, we will see you on June 5th.

Weres the people that said there would NEVER be a recall? Wheres the people that said there was rampant fraud? (3% of the signatures deemed not valid) I thought only 800K signatures not turned in? Verified! Happening! Everything the trolls said would never happen has happened. So now people should be intimidated by them saying that Scotty will be re-elected? They ask what is the contingency plan of the opponents "when" he gets re-elected? What is yours IF he doesnt? You have been so adept at predicting the future to this point, do you have a contingency plan? Recall the recall? Do it! Its your right. Problem is that each time the hard righties have tried( Doyle twice) they have failed miserably.
See you June 5th!!!

It will be a pleasure to vote for governor Walker again.

Now just because the people have spoken dose not make Falk or Walker a shoe in for Governor. Why it's because the only poll that counts is the one on election day.

""TheKai, I suggest you go back to your doctor and check the level of your medications""

""Carlitos - your unions will soon have their feet knocked out from under them. Can't wait.
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Bye bye Union Bullies. :0)""

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The right person for Wisconsin was elected. He just isnt right for the unioneeesssstaaaasss.""

""This goes to prove that bullying is alive and well in Wisconsin. Don't like the way things are whine and cry and do whatever you can to get your own way. Bullying in schools won't stop until bullying from WEA activists stop""

This is the lunacy coming from the very people that have made up their minds based on a partisan affiliation. Before any facts, these are the people to be afraid of.
Thekai- very well stated in all your posts on this thread, very reasonable and very true. I find your comments regarding unions and air conditioners to be an excellent metaphor.

Kai thank you for your earlier post outlining your opposition to Governor Walker, You honestly are the first person online or in real life conversations I have had, that has avoided the usual blind rhetoric. I spent several hours asking why I should support a recall and got nothing but the predictable response filled with catch phrases and code words.

As a small government Libertarian I can't say your arguments persuaded me to believe the actions taken by Walker were wrong, I personally don't think he went far enough, I guess I am a mega extremist. I will agree that perhaps his methods were not ideal, but couldn't you say that about the Healthcare bill in DC two years ago?

I may not like the tactics or the legislation tied to it, but I also do not support recalls unless there is an extreme circumstance requiring it, I was in CA when Davis was recalled, that was a joke as well. This doesn't really live up to that. If Walker had overstepped by passing legislation involving private unions and what they pay for benefits then I would agree. But since Public Employees are at the mercy of the government as far as these things they have to live with the results no matter what party is in control. One could argue that not as many people would be affected by ACT 10 if Government didn't continue to grow, I know that is unpopular but I think the signs are there that reduction in government needs to happen sooner rather than later.

Yes mouse, Dictatorship like George Soros telling Obama to bypass Congress and dictate which he has now done by ignoring the Congress with Cap and Tax and back door the failed measure through the EPA. I agree, I hate bought and paid for politicians and dictatorship. Glad you pointed that out. So lets get rid of Obama in November. Thank you!

TheKai, you have a lot of nerve challenging me. Trust me, based on your paranoid rants and delusions, you could use some help. I deal with people like you every day in my professional life.

Have you ever met Gov. Walker? If not, how can you even claim he is corrupt, the worst governor, etc? Get some facts before you say something even more silly and inane.

Face it, your candidate lost and you cannot accept it. Why should he be recalled? Do you think Tim Cullen should be up for recall? Or some other state senators?

Finally, I love your ringing endorsement of Falk. More proof of you and other's shallow thinking.

youkillme
What I understand is my property tax went up because the Janesville school district refused to use the tools under Act 10. Wisconsin had a projected surplus and the Democrats said lets spend more now and the Republicans threw them a bone to ease the rift of their discontent and now we are back in the red. And over time, the small contributions of the few will help the millions who are not public sector workers. Glad you are on board with the TEA party.

To answer one question - yes, there can be a recall of the recall election, after the winner holds office for 1 year. Of course, by that time it will be time for another general election for Governor. Republicans should run someone against Scotty. Thekai hit the nail on the head with the earlier posts. Walker is an extremist. Schultz would be a moderate that would most likely guarantee a Republican win. But just like people say about the "union bosses" deciding on who runs for the Dems, the Tea Party bosses will tolerate no dissent. One side is just as bad as the other. However- one more thing to consider - Walker will most likely not survive the "john doe" investigation that is ongoing. So even if he wins - he will probably be forced out in disgrace. All the more reason for another Republican to step up.

Well, he is being recalled as we knew would take place. The only questions I have is when he should clean out his desk and also when he should pack his crap out of the governor's mansion. Be sure that someone checks the light bulbs, towels, sheets, blankets and dishes before he leaves town.

TheJoker,
I suggest you look toward poorrichard, or Eagle1, or wonders, or JoyM, or anyone else who makes posts without flinging unprovoked insults. I don't know why you assume I need medication, but the fact that you made that assumption might speak to the immaturity of your civility.

Scott Walker is the bottom of the barrel, it would be difficult to find anyone who would make a worse governor. More importantly, we need a governor who will unite us, not further polarize us. Scott Walker absolutely will not accomplish that task. I think Kathleen Falk may not be the best candidate to unite us, but if I have to choose between her or Scott Walker, the choice is very obvious and simple. Scott Walker is probably the worst governor Wisconsin has ever had. I will not support someone who believes that compromise is a dirty word.

I am paying more in property taxes and new fees to make up for the state aid cut by Walker, my private sector wages and benefits have been cut (remember, union workers have to join the real world where the rest of us private sector workers took cuts) and Walker increased spending by $1.1 billion.

What is it you don't understand? Please go back to school if you're having trouble.

I say bring it on! Gov. Walker will win the election again! If you truly stand for Wisconsin, you will stand for Walker!

TheKai, I suggest you go back to your doctor and check the level of your medications. You know nothing of Gov. Walker. And can you honestly say that Kathleen Falk would be better as governor?

youkillme
Mar 30, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
Lower wages + Higher Taxes + More Spending = Scott Walker
Hhahahahah - are you seriously not paying attention? More spending is the Democrat mantra which equals higher taxes. It's all they have on the state and federal level.
Tax and spend. Are you a TEA party guy then? Taxed Enough Already??????

poorrichard,
You could be right. However, by refusing to negotiate, Scott Walker didn't even give a chance to verify your assumptions. He didn't make a tough decision at all. It appears he decided he does not like unions (possibly through political motivations) and he wanted to dismantle them. It's that simple. If it truly was all about the budget, then why did he take the money he saved and give it away to the extremely wealthy? Scott Walker's term as governor was nothing but a political chess move. It has nothing to do with what is better for the state, and everything to do with what is better for the Republican Party.

I fully support reforming unions, but you don't do it without at least attempting to get some co-operation.

I have made this analogy in the past. Unions are to the workforce what an air conditioner is to a home. They make everything more comfortable and tolerable. However, through the years, many of these unions have become corrupt. The air conditioners are now loud, clunky, and much of the energy they use is not going toward conditioning our homes. Indeed, they need to be fixed. However, Scott Walker's approach was to destroy the air conditioner. Truly, if you take a baseball bat to an air conditioner, you will solve the problem of inefficiency. However, now there is no air conditioner. Rather, we should open it up and try to fix whatever issues it has.

I don't believe most people are being honest with themselves when they say they support Scott Walker. We could easily have a Republican Governor who is willing to work with all of Wisconsin, not just the Republicans. Scott Walker is ruthless. He is a liar and a cheater. Before he was governor, he said he would work with unions, and he was not going to remove their right to collectively bargain. Clearly, he lied. During his time as Milwaukee County Executive, many of his staff members stole from tax payers, and did campaign work on county time. Some of his staff members stole money from veterans. Scott Walker is not a good person. He's not a role model anyone should follow. He is ignorant, and a bully of all bullies. For any good that he has accomplished, he has also accomplished ten times more bad deeds.

If you imagine a choice between not Scott Walker and a Democrat, but Scott Walker and another republican, perhaps Dale Schultz or maybe even Paul Ryan, would there still be so much support for Scott Walker? Scott Walker is an extremist. We don't need extremists from any political party. We need people with a level head on their shoulders who are willing to make the truly difficult decisions. The decision to cross the party line and work with those you disagree with on fundamental levels. Most likely not a single one of us has all of the right answers, so why does Scott Walker pretend he does?

One ballot please for me to cast my vote for Scott Walker. Bring your ID!

Lower wages + Higher Taxes + More Spending = Scott Walker

thekai-The 11:54 post.

thekai-I don't believe that the public sector unions for one minute would have given up any of their long held perks. They had many opportunities thru the years to not take as much but even in the face of lay-offs of their own union brothers they would not cooperate. They stuck us, the taxpayers, with their own insurance company that was twice as much as regular companies. I will be glad when this recall election is over as I'm sure you will be too. But your last paragraph is wrong-There are many people who admire and think Scott Walker is a good and honest man who had to make very tough decisions which unfortunately most politicians refuse to make. Seems like all of us have to watch our budgets but the government.

JoyM: If the custodian had had a "Recall Walker" sign instead would she have been asked to park somewhere else or would she have been dismissed (since re-hired) as she was? If the Union is to protect free speech, even if bad, shouldn't it protect ALL FREE SPEECH EVEN IF IT DISAGREES WITH THEIR POINT OF VIEW? Still, would like to know why it wasn't reported in the Gazette. Why did I find out about it else where?

Yet it is Okay for a news paper to reprimand People that signed the recall. It seems no one is commenting about that. The right to freedom on your own time is exactly that YOUR RIGHT. Oh I know that is because they are not GOP and the laws that protect are only for them. So it seems.. JMO

(this comment pre-empted by me doing my happy dance!)

"According to statements made to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel All Politics Blog, company officials learned that school employees were discussing the sign and a supervisor asked Taylor Thursday whether she was willing to remove the yard sign supportive of Walker that she kept in her car while it was parked in the Whitewater High School parking lot or whether she was willing to be assigned to another building. She refused both requests to remove the sign or take a new assignment.

Taylor left work early Thursday and was asked not to work Friday.

Diversified Building Maintenance told the Journal Sentinel that it planned to have Taylor working this week, either at the school or somewhere else with the company."

http://dailyunion.com/main.asp?SectionID...

It sounds like there was something more to the story than what has been reported (surprise there.) However, the employee is still working at the same job, and has not lost any pay due to the incident.

Something definitely happened there, but none of us know the details (if you do know the details, perhaps you should speak up).

We could speculate all day. The company that employed the woman claims she was never fired. We could speculate that she got into an argument Thursday, went home, and made a conscious decision not to come into work on Friday entirely on her own. Perhaps she was so upset she assumed that since she didn't like the two options she had been presented, that effectively meant she was wrongfully fired. Maybe this story is a politically motivated fabrication.

Or maybe she was told not to come back to work. Maybe there was injustice. Maybe this is an example of one administration that over stepped, and then corrected itself after review.

We just don't know at this time. What we do know, is that some people are taking this story and running with it, without all of the facts present. It's a good way to get people fired up, but its also a lie.

As to the stand with Walker sign Why would someone be proud to have it on there vehicle at a place that Snotty Scotty is trying to destroy? Common sense is These public workers are being kicked and BULLIED by the GOP and IMO are sick of living in fear of being next on his chopping block. I STAND WITH TEACHERS,FIREMEN/EMTs,POLICEMEN,AND UNIONS. And other public workers that have been affected by his Rath of Hell.

Kathleen Falk

http://youtu.be/ZUeK7-2n7wQ

fedup he is gone The comments are not in Scooters favor. The RepubLieCons are about history In this country as to the people they ATTACK and we the people have had all we want of dictatorship. Fedup I have to ask you When you worked (if you did) did you have a fair wage? Did you have a safe work place? Did you get paid vacations ? Were all people treated fairly? Did you have affordable insurance? Did you have a profit sharing with your company paying in the majority? If you answered yes to any of these questions Then YOU NEED TO THANK THE UNIONS..... Anyone that cab support a person that wants to destroy the people of this country because they are not at their income level and wants to control the choices people make Is not one that I would call a true American. This country is based on our rights of the Constitution and these GOP THUGS want to take that away. I am an American and will stand with the 99% To rid this country of dictatorship and Hitler type control.

wonders,
Thank you for your input. You shed some interesting light on the issue. As to your question about someone on the left being recalled, we can reference this very article.

"There have been only two successful gubernatorial recalls in U.S. history, against California Gov. Gray Davis in 2003 and North Dakota Gov. Lynn Frazier in 1921."

I don't know about Lynn Frazier, but Gray Davis was indeed a Democrat. Since you only asked if anyone on the left was ever recalled, I don't see the need to see if Lynn Frazier had any party affiliation.

As I said, I do believe you brought up a good point. However, many people who signed the recall petitions were not members of a union. I truly believe the reason Scott Walker got recalled is because of the actions and mannerisms of Scott Walker. He made a bold move and the public reacted. Most likely, he even knew there would probably be a significant effort to recall him before he decided to take away the right for public employee unions to collectively bargain. However, I think if Walker worked with the unions, and still pushed hard to remove or suspend the right (as opposed to shutting his office door and essentially saying, "my way or the highway,") there might not have been enough support to get him recalled. Personally, I supported the recall because of the type of person Walker is. We don't need a governor like that. Had a more reasonable governor pushed for many of the same reforms, I probably wouldn't have signed a recall petition.

If Scott Walker said he wanted to remove the right to collectively bargain, but ended up compromising for something less severe, I doubt he would have been recalled. The man refused to cooperate with the rest of the state who ardently disagreed with him. He refused to be an effective leader of all of the people in Wisconsin. He should have been a lobbyist, not a governor.

Midnight_Ride - now that seems like a case built for the courts. Rules have to be applied equally. Of course, if she was one of the non-union staff, there could be action taken against her whereas the unionized employees again have protections the rest of us do not, as I was typing to usaret while you were typing, too.

Oh and with that has there ever been a left of the isle recalled? If not do you think they have all been so good they did not warrant a recall?

Thekai and Cynicaleye, I may be able to answer your question as to why Doyle was not recalled, or at least attempt to.
The right is typically not organized labor, and without that it is hard to get a recall started. When you have a rank and file group of people it is much easier to start a recall and get enough signatures.
It does not make it right or wrong, just easier to have it organized. The people on the right are not any less hard working, but they tend to be more independent than the left. In that I mean they are not as deep in unions, although some union members are to the right.
Maybe this can help clarify a little, is it easier to have a group of students that attend Craig and Parker organize something, or is it easier to have the same number of home schooled students do that same organization?
It comes down to numbers in the same location, nothing more or less.

Usaret - while I am on your side of the argument, free speech is guaranteed on your private time and property, but not on your employer's time or property. Most employers would not allow political activities on the job, and this would fall under that category. I don't think they could make the employee take a bumper sticker off their car, but maybe they couldn't park in the parking lot and would have to park on the public street. For that matter, if your behavior on or off the job adversely impacts the employer (even the public's perception of the employer), you might find yourself out of a job. Unless you have a union to protect you from your own bad behavior.

I noticed this morning a woman was fired for having a "Support Walker" in her car in the school parking lot vs. the dozen "Recall Walker". This is what we are fighting for. Democrats and Unions will try to silence you with threats and now even your job. The Democrats will be as stunned at losing this time as they were losing their power in Wisconsin. It will be exhilarating.

Let's get it on! Time to have our voices heard...again...at the ballot box with the re-election of our Governor Scott Walker.
Democrats have no idea how much dedication is out their for Walker. We are waiting for our turn, and it's coming!

Usaret

Actually, she was on tv this morning.

About dam time maybe now we can put a end to this recall **** and get this decided once and for all. I just hope we did not wate the tax payers money for nothing. Because frankly i have had enough and i want this over with. Next time make sure you guys elect the right person these recalls are expensive and at some point will have to pay for this recall.

cynicaleye, I love the assumptions people make when I make a statement, I have never nor ever will attend a tea party event or join them, they are as ridiculous as the idiots at the capitol on the other side. Secondly I was not living in WI when Doyle was governor, so I cannot speak to that, my guess is perhaps your opponents are not as emotional as you and therefore allowed for Doyle to serve out his term.

Bye bye Scooter. Fedup, get a job and stop trolling.

I'm happy to say that despite my opinions, my life will be completely the same on June 6th as it was on June 4th.

None of the three declared Democratic candidates for governor has completely won over the voters

The real issues now is to find the right person to take back the governors office.

With itelligence I can see walker as a lying, cheating, corrupt, power hungry puppet. His actions prove what kind of person he is. To stand behind this thug is proof of ignorance.
Just as demo Blago got his, so will repub Walker. Any politician no matter what party, that does his job in this manner has got to go! If you think these type of heads of state are great people, this says alot about your own character and screams how ignorance is rampant in your life.

Exercising guaranteed constitutional rights is considered bullying? That's a sad commentary.

Oh where, oh where have our Walker friends gone,

Oh where, oh where can they be,

With their fifes so short and their rhetoric so long,

Oh where, oh where can they be?

Very Valid points Kai, however I think anyone that votes based on party affiliation has generally checked their intelligence at the door. This whole recall process has illustrated the insanity that exists in both parties.

Based on observations of this website, I would say that wiggle is at the very least more intelligent than you, Feduptaxpayer. Of course, this website could be quite misleading. There is no real way to accurately predict a person's intelligence based solely on how they blog on this website.

Either way, wiggle was actually stating that most people who vote for Democrats are more intelligent than people who vote for Republicans. I think that claim is actually backed up by statistics. However, it is important to note that this does not mean anyone who votes Democrat is intelligent, and anyone who votes Republican is not intelligent. In fact, I know a few Republicans who are very intelligent indeed.

Repubs whine and cry because intelligent people are using the 'tool' our government gave us to get rid of the cheating, lying, corrupt, violence threating king of repubs of WI. 'Oh boo hoo these mean intelligent people won't let us keep our koch puppet king, the one who wants to turn the middle class into uneducated poor folk that will work for peanuts and be to stupid to know they can change the state into something better!!'
Cry me a river on the cost of cleaning up WI, as an itelligent person I thimk it's worth every dime!

Anybody seen anything in the Gazette about the Whitewater high-school custodian that was told to remove her "Stand with Walker" sign? If it had been a "Recall Walker" sign it would have made headlines and the Left would have been up in arms about the inhumanity of it all. Suppose Free Speech belongs only to those on the Left.

Well just because the people have spoken will not mean that Falk is a shoe in for Governor. Remember this only poll that counts will be the one take on Election Day. Come June 5th will see how the people will vote that is the only poll I am interested in.

Eagle1,
I don't know about the situation in New York, but in Wisconsin, Doyle was not impervious to a recall election. He simply did not do anything nearly as bad as what Scott Walker did.

What reason(s) do you have for supporting Walker? I have a hard time understanding why someone would support a person with the characteristics of Scott Walker. He treated unions not as a part of the state, but as the enemy. He refused to compromise with the unions, at all. He didn't even make an attempt. That's how we treat terrorists. Do you really think that unions are terrorists? I'm not saying unions are perfect, and you might be surprised to learn that I believe unions absolutely need reform, but why not try to work with the unions?

@Eagle1, you are sort of on the right track. "Everyone can see it for what it truly is"....accountability.

Really? I don't remember it happening with the previous Governor or with the current Governor of New York, it's pure and simple politics. It's been a joke from the beginning and continues to be. Call it what you will everyone can see it for what it truly is, if they just open their eyes.

Democracy in Action. This is what happens when people abuse the power given to them.