Walker, Walker, Walker, Walker!!!
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MOVING THE GREAT STATE OF WISCONSIN "FORWARD"

Just to be clear, Social Security was not in the list of socialist programs I had mentioned in my earlier comment to you.

Poobah; When I said we, I was referring to the Democratic Socialists of America. The DSA wants to spent the savings on social programs. It seems everything but Social Security.

And speaking of Social Security it's not much of a social program since people have SS deducted from
their pay checks. Once the gov gets their hands on "our" money, it suddenly becomes their money.

In reference to my May 7, 2012 at noon comment, I should have used the word nominated instead of appointed. This doesn't change the application of RetiredAirForce's "principle of partial culpability" to the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion as the five justices that were required to form a majority were nominated by Republican presidents Eisenhower and Nixon.

gpawcat said, "Where we disagree is to cut the military budget to fund unions, and political friends, bureaucratic waste like trips to Vegas."

I agree with almost everything in your May 7, 2012 at 11:40 a.m. comment. The only exception is that the "we" you were referring to is the website you cited, and not myself, as I don't support the government funding any of those three endeavors. I also have been an outspoken proponent of cutting our military spending. I would use the savings, in part, to create jobs and the good news is that it is much less expensive to create jobs in healthcare, education and clean energy than it is to create military jobs.

THE U.S. EMPLOYMENT EFFECTS OF MILITARY AND DOMESTIC SPENDING PRIORITIES: AN UPDATED ANALYSIS" by Robert Pollin & Heidi Garrett-Peltier [ http://www.peri.umass.edu/fileadmin/pdf/... ]

The number of jobs created by spending $1 billion on various sectors:

Military:11,600

Tax cuts for personal consumption: 14,800

Clean energy: 17,100

Health care: 19,600

Education: 29,100

RetiredAirForce said, "Sarah the majority (7 of 11) of MMSD committee members are appointed by Mayor Tom. How is he not partially culpable for their actions to a place he appointed them too?"

Applying RetiredAirForce's logic, Republican presidents Eisenhower and Nixon, are partially culpable for the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion, having appointed the required five justices to make a majority on the court of nine justices.

Majority Opinion (5 Republican appointed justices, 2 Democrat appointed justices)

Harry Blackmun (Nixon-R)

Warren E. Burger (Nixon-R)

Lewis Powell (Nixon-R)

William J. Brennan (Eisenhower-R)

Potter Stewart (Eisenhower-R)

William O. Douglas (Roosevelt-D)

Thurgood Marshall (Roosevelt-D)

Minority Opinion (1 Republican appointed justice, 1 Democrat appointed justice)

Byron White (Kennedy-D)

William Rehnquist (Nixon-R)

Yes Poobah Socialist are every where. As I read the Socialist web site we agree the wars are a waste. Where we disagree is to cut the military budget to fund unions, and political friends, bureaucratic waste like trips to Vegas. I say cut the military budget and balance the federal budget, not squander it, or give it away.

Those high rollers in D.C. don't need Janesville dollars, they just print more dollars devaluing the currency. We pay for this incompetence at the gas pump, grocery stores and everything else we buy.

No matter who wins this recall, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

As I said before, California recalled Grey Davis and replaced him with a republican governor. Is California any better today than 2003?

Sarah the majority (7 of 11) of MMSD committee members are appointed by Mayor Tom. How is he not partially culpable for their actions to a place he appointed them too?

gpawcat said, "The Democratic Socialists of America are not hiding the fact that they are in the Unions, Democratic party, and Progressive movements."

Yes, GoodAmerican, Americans that believe in our system of democratically elected representatives and use government socialist programs like public education, public highways, public transportation, public health, public police and public fire protection are everywhere -- in the tea party, the Democrat party and the Republican party. Fact is, they are everywhere you look in America. Why, it's very likely even gpawcat participates, or has participated, in one or more of these socialist enterprises by funding and/or using them.

"Wis. recall pits friends against each other" See, now even RAF seems to be pitted against me - I feel so badly.......

@GoodAmerican:
The Democratic Socialists of America are not hiding the fact that they are in the Unions, Democratic party, and Progressive movements. You my friend, need to educate yourself. Here is the Socialist link and wise-up.

http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/widemsoc.pdf

Page 3 On the Q&A

The Socialists are at least honest about who they are.

The democratic party need to purge themselves of these people. Like the T.E.A party are doing to the republican RINO'S

Its a true article "Recall pits friends against each other", just read these posts. But of course we aren't all friends as we don't know each other......or do we? Unfortunately, the best man won't win, because there isn't one.

mouse and criminal chris two peas in a pod, mix it up and add graeme zielinski and you have the perfect recipe of the dem party in Wisconsin today.

I wonder how much sewage Barrett dumped into the lake this weekend?

Tom Barrett's unemployment rate 10.4%; Barack Obama's unemployment rate 8.1%; Scott Walker's unemployment rate 6.8%. RECALL WALKER LOL

chelleandlou
May 6, 2012 at 6:35 a.m.
The recall didn't pit friends against each other, Walker did.

Walker helped the majority of the state. The recall brought upon by unions using propaganda and misinformation pit friends against each other.
Once Walker and the 4 Senators retain their seats, I would hope they take on the recall process to be less about disagreement in policy and more about dishonoring the postion such as Jeffrey Wood and Peg Lautenschlager have.

I have not read the comments, too many to weed through. First thing I want to say is that the article seemed very balanced, there was no obvious lean to either side. Second thing - Walker did what had to be done. Unsustainable means just that.

vote no for a repuliGoon

myviews stated "Further, I noted in your response that you did not disagree with any of my points – something that further validates that I am correct."
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I know they all do it; all media. I always find it hilarious when only one side is pointed out while ignoring the whole problem.

A peaceful liberal poster stated "It was only Walker who "dropped a bomb" on Wisconsin."

GoodAmerican spoken like a proud liberal, pat yourself on the back!

Good morning....have a geat Monday, CW.

In reality the GOP pitted the country against each other with all the cuts going to little people and selling our Country to the wealthy rats by not having them pay their fair share to build our economy on an equal level. Walker is nothing but a puppet of the entire free loaders that pay little to NO taxes and have big money to give to his campaign funds as they do not have to do as the REAL people of this country that pay more then they should in taxes. anyone of you GOP supporters that think the big corporations should ride free at the expense of the people that are the back bone of this State and Country are NUTS. Mouse You have more class then any of the GOP goons in here. As you stand with the truth as do I and many others and we do it in one NAME not many to make it look like Walker has more support.

I have had my share of battles and will stand my ground and I have also look at their reasons and understand they do not see the truth to the full effect of the laws that have been forced on this state and my biggest issue is the personal attacks that have no bearing on the budget and Walker himself admitted his Union busting had nothing to do with the budget, Nor does attacking women's rights. I have friends I value and we either do not get into politics or we are not talking at this time until the recall is over AS you on here know I will voice it and not back away as his destruction of the people of this state. Where are the Jobs we are losing more and more and are number one in the USA for lost jobs and no one can say different as that was even on Fox News.... 2 days and say goodbye Scotty and Then hello on June 8th, To a New and promising outlook for Wisconsin, with people that stand with the working class.

RAF – first of all I do not know what half of these organizations are and I believe Air America no longer exists (may be wrong about this). I guess I can google “right wing organizations” and make a list also but what does it prove? I said what I said and stand by it.

"Not to mention the liberal ran mass media of ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, and hundreds of newspapers." I will give you that MSNBC is left leaning similar to Fox News being right leaning except that MSNBC will actually tell the audience from time-to-time that they are biased in case one cannot discern that on their own – they do not pass themselves off as “fair and balanced”. The rest of the networks mentioned are quite main stream and about as bland as can be so they are able to get generic interviews with big name politicians and personalities. If they do investigative journalism as they did before they became entertainers, big names would no longer show up and they fear their ratings will drop along with advertising revenue. I try to validate most everything that I hear plus make it pass the “sniff test” before considering it solid information. So what is your point?

"But you only mention a few organizations that you don't like out of political views while claiming you are against divisiveness. How does ignoring all of it solve the problem?" I claimed this? I discussed it but I will not just simply agree with the right wing radicals to avoid divisiveness – I believe they are wrong in their direction, their tactics and their misleading ways of governing. Being divisive is what the right wing always claims. It is like “look over there and ignore that we are doing what we are accusing others of doing”.

Further, I noted in your response that you did not disagree with any of my points – something that further validates that I am correct. Thank you for doing that.

KLC, I understand your point about belittling neighbors and throwing blame around, but this article is a piece of political junk that only raises the temperature by attempting to blame the animosity and division in families, communities and throughout the state - on the recall effort. Look at the title and then look at the statement in the article, "Walker and rival Democrats tore the state apart in February 2011..." That's pure BS. There is no equivalency between what Walker did and the response from the “other side.” The fact is, Scott Walker was the lone aggressor who initiated the war when he "dropped the bomb." You don’t build unity and civility by dropping bombs and you don’t restore unity and civility by letting an aggressor have their way. Walker's supporters should be ashamed of his behavior and help re-unite Wisconsin by joining the recall effort.

Sad, sad, sad. KLC is right - take a look in the mirror, people. Every angry word just adds fuel to the fire that you're blaming the other side for starting. Where's it getting us?

*sigh*

Walker left Marquette over campaign violations. Walker's right hand men and women arrested, charged or convicted of campaign violations. Walker himself has criminal defense fund and is transferring tens of thousands of dollars from his campaing to cover legal expenses. Walker, record of mostly lies and pandts on fire lies for his public comments. He is a liar, pay for play, my way or the highway crook. That is why he is being recalled, and why decent people cannot believe he has supporters.

F'd up in the head, my shingle hangs up about 80' on the steel or wood pole, don't believe that your hung well enough to go check it out. Try working a little harder, not posting so much on company time, and you just might get a raise!

Donnaw, so walker was sick and had to drop out of Marquette, maybe he ran out of money and had to drop out, or his family was sick needed the money, or maybe a lack of morals during a campus campaign?

Anyone who can't have a calm conversation about this no matter their position is just plain brainless.
Throwing fits and stomping on the floor like children who can't form sentences yet.

Look at yourselves! Here is an article that shows the consequences of the ugliness of this whole process, and what do we do? Get uglier, nastier, and blame everyone else!
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I am pro-recall because I don't think Walker's record merits a full term; however, roughly half this state disagrees with me. What are we to do? Continue to hate and blame in perpetuity? Argue merits, argue facts, argue passionately - but don't belittle your neighbors. Not only will it not help your cause (arguably it hurts) but it expands the rift you all blame everyone else for causing. Look in the mirror my friends.

Yes, you're so right GoodAmerican. That's one reason I said I would take what RetiredAirForce said at face value. But as is obvious from his displeasure, he expects to be treated differently than he treats people.

I find that people that think this recall will change things will be disappointed. Just like California in 2003.

Before the successful recall of Gray Davis, no California statewide official had ever been recalled, though there had been 117 previous attempts. Only seven of those even made it onto the ballot, all for state legislators. Every governor since Ronald Reagan in 1968 has been subject to a recall effort, but Gray Davis was the first governor whose opponents gathered the necessary signatures to qualify for a special election.

Did Arnold Schwarzenegger change things? Is California better off today than 2003?

So it will be with Wisconsin, no matter who wins, Voters lose.

You see, If Walker wins, it will be my way or the highway. If Walker loses, the Democratic Socialists of America will be in the drivers seat and the fiscal give away for political pay backs will begin. Just like Illinois, New York, California, and Washington D.C.

Here is the way I'm calling it. The Republicans will hold the Assembly ( at least till Nov.) Senate will go Socialist, and governor is a toss up unless Falk is the opponent, then it's Walker.

Stop commenting to FedUp: This person has almost 2000 post in 6 months. Not a lot of substance and plenty of ignorance! Who ever he/she is only on the gazette to create conflict. Much like the Walker regime.

F'edUp, are you seriously defending Walker's values? Walker didn't even have enough morals to be able to tell the Koch impersonator that it is an outrage to suggest planting troublemakers among the protesters at the Capital.

You're joking, right?

Retired Air Farce is on the record that Americans who fought during WWII did not fight defending our freedoms. Wow. RAF, you're not playing dumb. I convinced it's natural.

donnaw, it takes a person with good morals to tell David Koch, who Spot thought he was talking to in that phone call, that it is outrageous to suggest a sitting governor plant trouble-makers among Wisconsinites protesting at the Capital. Only the worst scum would claim that he "thought about it."

@Sigma....LMAO, you good comedian

Lightkeeper...so it takes "morals" to stay in college? Wow, I guess then anyone who drops out of college for any reason...health, funds, family issues, is then immoral?

My, my, Sarah, I can't believe with a mouth like that you are a nurse!

It is hurting families too! The Teachers against the non teachers and the Unions against the non unions. And if the Democrates loose they will be bitter for the rest of their lives.

Article states, "Walker and rival Democrats tore the state apart in February 2011..."

Not true. It was only Walker who "dropped a bomb" on Wisconsin. his victims merely responded. That would be like saying it was the Japanese and Americans who tore Pearl Harbor apart.

What are all you nay sayers going to do when he stays in office, and then later becomes president?

"....Then we don't exercise that skill listening to someone's opinion contrary to their own," she said. "If we don't practice that skill, we can never solve intractable social problems, much less live together in healthy relationships."

Gosh, if Walker would have just taken that advice last year he (and we) would not be in this mess. If he'd been willing to respond to the very substantial dissent and to bend just a LITTLE bit there would be no recall today. If he'd truly represented the people of Wisconsin - and not just the Republicans of Wisconsin - I could now view him with at least some shred of respect. But no, he refused to give anything at all. He has lied, cheated, and made every attempt to change the rules to his advantage like some three-year-old. I can't help but to wish him all the worst of luck, come June....

Mouse when did hitler take our freedom?

Just taking what RetiredAirForce says at face value, Dwight. No need for spin!

I think poobah needs to a little slap with the sarcasm stick so he can learn how to know it when he sees it.

God didn't promise us a free ride. And neither candiate is giving "the answer" to the problems we face. Some feel to make money you have to spend money and some feel to balance the budget you have to stop over spending, and some think it is okay to cut spending but not at their expense. But as Americans we all have the right to express our opinions. It is sad that just because you might think you are right, that you would stop speaking to your friends or family. And the sad thing is we will all vote the way we feel is best, yet the winner will not be excepted and we will have to go through all this over again.

Mouse, maybe you missed RetiredAirForce's comment on the great one party government countries. RetiredAirForce said, "If you want a one party system you can visit the great countries that have them; old version USSR, China, North Korea, old version Libia, Cuba, or Venezuela."

RetiredAirForce said to myviews2, "But you only mention a few organizations that you don't like out of political views while claiming you are against divisiveness. How does ignoring all of it solve the problem?"

After chastising myviews2 for mentioning organizations "that you don't like out of political views while claiming you are against divisiveness," RetiredAirForce does the same thing and goes on to mention the "liberal ran mass media" of five television networks, hundreds of newspapers and twenty-two entities that receive funding from George Soros. How does the demonstration of your hypocrisy solve the problem, RetiredAirForce?

Walker didn't even have enough morals to be able to stay in college, and we all know that from the fake koch phone call that he hasn't changed! Come june or john doe conclusion he will be in one of three places, Gov. house, his house or the big house! Where would a man lacking morals most likely end up?

myviews just curious how your views on the koch money in comparison to soros funded groups like:
Media Matters
Air America Radio
Aspen Institute
Brookings Institution
Center for American Progress
Common Cause
Occupy Wall Street protests
Democracy Alliance
Democracy Now!
Democratic Justice Fund
Economic Policy Institute
Emily's List
Human Rights Campaign
Human Rights Watch
Independent Media Center
Independent Media Institute
Institute for Public Accuracy
J Street
League of Women Voters
News Corp Watch
Think Progress
Working Families Party

Not to mention the liberal ran mass media of ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, and hundreds of newspapers.

But you only mention a few organizations that you don't like out of political views while claiming you are against divisiveness. How does ignoring all of it solve the problem?

"Wis. recall pits friends against each other"
That's exactly the way they want it. Divide and conquer.

don't hang him .. waterbaording is the republican way.

This governing style and uncaring divisiveness is actually a result of the Koch Bros. (and others) funded echo chambers coming to full fruition. From:
- the funding of “Think Tanks” such as Cato Institute and the Heritage Foundation (tax deductible in many cases).
- to the talking heads in the media owned by Rupert “unfit to own” Murdoch (Fox News – GOP TV - and WSJ to name a couple of his larger US holdings)
- to the audience that can only access right wing owned radio ten-to-one over progressive radio
- to the churches that have sold themselves to the Republican/Tea Party and preach and endorse the Ayn Rand inspired form of Republican “Christianity” (i.e. exactly the opposite of what Christ teaches. It is not what you say, Paul Ryan and Scott Walker but rather what you do – Christ addresses that also in Parable of the two sons in Matthew 21:28-32)
- to other forms of media used and published to support the views of the right wing “think tanks”
- to the Koch Bros funded AFP ground troops that work as activists to support the overall plan rooted in the “think tanks” and basically bribe or extort politicians to support their views (signing allegiance to Grover Norquist taking precedence over their oath of office is a good example).
- to the politicians who then must read the right wing “think tank” scripts (ALEC scripts are good examples) or face losing a primary race
- to the politicians who, after elected, quickly change laws and appoint judges, not to be fair and protect our freedoms, but rather to protect the tactics that were used to gain power and favor from the very wealthiest (disingenuous Voter ID laws & the Citizens United case comes to mind which is allowing all of the outside money coming into Wisconsin politics now).

This all got its start with the Lee Atwater/Karl Rove/Rush Limbaugh smash-mouth style of politics. And will go on and on until we no longer have any real representation or middle class or until this dangerous structure has some limitations put on it to ensure all are represented - not just the wealthy who will buy power. It is called struggle for freedom I guess – and it does hurt a lot as it has gotten so out of control with people who willingly ignore science and proven facts (failure of trickle down economics is one proven fact that is ignored) and discredit and invalidate objective thinking, learning and knowledge.

Way to go Sarah, show support for a posting wanting to harm a politician. You have done a great deed supporting those that support your party. Pat yourself on the back!

Che said, "What has happened here in Wisconsin is part of Obama and the Democrat's strategy for destroying everything good and decent about our country."

According to RetiredAirForce, you still have communist North Korea, Che. RetiredAirForce thinks it's a great country. RetiredAirForce said, "If you want a one party system you can visit the great countries that have them; old version USSR, China, North Korea, old version Libia, Cuba, or Venezuela." Then again, with the name Che, you'd be much more popular in communist Cuba.

badger2 - I have friends - Dems & Reps - all over this country and they laugh at WI because we can't get our act together. They think it's funny that we can't allow our governor a complete term and won't give him a chance to fulfill his duties. They laugh at our definition of "Democracy". They think we're a bunch of morons who act like little kids and when we don't get our way, we throw a temper tantrum. They can understand why businesses don't want to come here. How sad is it that people have opinions about us in that way?? Pretty pathetic! Perhaps these people were thinking of you in that way.

mjbike2 - I bet all the money in the world that you step into any business that has a sign outside saying "RECALL WALKER". You are a huge hyprocrite!!! If you were NOT a hyprocrite, your post would have stated "I stopped shopping or eating at any business that show their support either way - FOR or AGAINST Walker" but you did NOT!!! One-sided much? You bet! Just admit it. You're a Walker hater.

Duh....I know what the urban dictionary is...lol

but ted nugent said it was ok

It always seems that the spouse that accuses the other of cheating ,is the one actually cheating. Do you have somewhat of a guilty conscience Fedup?

I have a relative who constantly bashes Republicans and doesn't think anyone SHOULD object to the postings. Never gives credit to Republicans for anything. Always one-sided. This is America and EVERYONE has the right to voice their opinion. Unfortunately, my relative feels if your opinion doesn't jive with theirs, you don't have the right to say it, you are wrong or you are uninformed. Because of this, my relative is now distant with me. Liberals preach about tolerance and humanity BUT do not practice what they preach. If Walker isn't re-elected, will there be ANOTHER recall?? Yes!!!!

Declaring politicians should be killed? Gazette, not only should these comments be removed they should also be reported to authorities.

@bafger2- I get the same response from people all over the country when I travel. They can't believe we elected this jerk.

I have had heated discussions that unfortunately have degraded into antagonistic arguments over Walker, the recall, and all the related hullabaloo. Things have gotten better in my estimation and will continue to do so - the key is to remember we are Wisconsin and we are nice here.
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Intelligent people can disagree, even fervently. We all give to charity, go to church, love our families, and help our friends.
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The saddest and scariest part of this whole debacle is that we have been convinced by the puppet-masters on both sides that we aren't the moderates we used to be - we are all supposed to be political fringe wackos.
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Listen to your neighbors, have a spirited discussion, shake your head at their short-sightedness, and then toast to another beer - because you are still friends.

The only thing more delusional the poo thinking he has friends is fake posters claiming they have always voted for a political party and now will vote for a fake candidate.

The reason this topic has pitted people against one another is due to the excessive false information being peddled and absorbed by many non-thinking voters.

I stopped shopping or eating at all places that have a sign out front that says I support Walker. Its a touchy subject and don't believe business need to display their support

The recall hasn't affected my friendship with RetiredAirForce. He still responds to most of my comments and affectionately calls me No2 (and many other things).

Regardless of who wins the recall election, 50% of the population will not be happy with the choice. It's not Politics across the country are becoming more and more contentious along party lines, not just in Wisconsin. It's hard to find a moderate public voice anywhere anymore, and it certainly isn't happening in Wisconsin whether Walker, Barrett, or Falk is elected.

I have voted Republican my whole life, including for Scott Walker. I believe in their core values. But, I cannot support Scott Walker after seeing what his agenda is really about. This has been a real contentious debate amongst my republican friends. It leaves me no choice but to vote for the other Republican on the ticket, Arthur Kohl-Riggs. Maybe he will be a little more centered than Governor Walker.

I travel out of State alot on business and always get asked "How in the world can the people in Wisconsin elect a guy like Walker."....its embarrasing...were a laughing stock because of this loser....IMO

http://chiefexecutive.net/will-wisconsin...

Public Union Puppet Masters zzzzzzzz

Walker has alienated this state with his nazi style tactics and with the Koch brothers blessings. Recall Walker!

If anyone is interested personalized plate swalker is available.

Not just friends but family as well. Last few years I've lost all my friends and family because they are upset by our success & earnings while their personal situations have not been so great. They want to place all the cost of our countries problems on backsides of more successful & wealthier folks. If you do this it will hurt job creation more and keep you potentially out of work longer. I'm sorry economics are bad right now but you will always have ups & downs. The worst thing you can do is panic and withdraw money from banks all at once while jacking up fees and taxes on rich & successful. Wisconsin couldn't have picked a worse time for a recall election because I think we're headed for a depression. We need leaders both locally and federal to cut spending and downsize before its too late.

Blah blah blah union puppet master blah blah blah good job Scott Walker blah blah blah.

According to the Urban Online Dictionary...
Verb - To "Scott Walker something" or screw it over, as in how Walker has screwed: education, public unions, collective bargaining, needed health care for many people, seniors, women, the working poor, the disabled, and the list goes on and on. It is funny how WI can be LAST in jobs lost and some people still support a college drop out as governor. Walker and K-fisch have been failureS in creating jobs with their policies. Walker has no degree from college, but feels the need to cut over $800 million dollars from public education. That is a $635 dollar cut per student. It is also time for Scotty to confess why he has set up a criminal defense fund if he has not no wrong in the FBI John Doe probe.

Well said 916wi,

No chelle, the liberals did.......Walker was a response to their overreach.....

Bassman,

I don't think it can get much worse, though it will depend on the results of the election. In my opinion, if Walker should happen to win it will get much worse.

The conflict among friends and family members will elevate as will Walker's attacks on women, education, healthcare, public employees, elderly, and economically challenged; while he continues to do the bidding of corporations making empty promises to create jobs and the wealthy.

If the recall is successful, it will send a very strong and clear message to politicians at every level that the 99% has had enough and unless they make significant changes and start paying their fair share they better be ready to lose their JOB.

The recall didn't pit friends against each other, Walker did.

Unfortunately ,it will never end.It probably will get worse.