*If Walker wins, its not because of anything othe than Democrats failing at putting forth a decent candidate*

They don't *have* any decent candidates.

So says the poo_koch

RetiredAirForce, if you have a real concern with this and think it would improve your sleep to have a definitive answer, you should ask the Gazette staff to look into your allegations. I'm sure they keep records of every comment's IP address.

So says poo_koch

RetiredAirForce said, "Or are you exempt from the rules and games you claim to catch others at?"

I'm not exempt from this sites policies and appreciate that the Gazette offers a forum for discussion. I have never registered, or used, any username other than poobah on this site. One can offer no proof they are using only one username in an anonymous forum of this type; nor can a person offer any proof to support their claim of people using multiple usernames. This is what makes people claiming others are using multiple usernames so hilarious and worthy of note.

The same principle, of course, applies to the fact that others can offer no proof that they served in the Air Force on this anonymous forum.

"caught people at their games"
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You mean like being a sock puppet with multiple accounts? The very thing that goes against the user agreement for posting on this site?

"Users agree NOT to: create multiple user accounts or impersonate anyone on this site."
http://gazettextra.com/UserPolicy/

Or are you exempt from the rules and games you claim to catch others at?

RetiredAirForce said, "extranious [...] psters"

Just a little bit excited? I do hope people take the time to read through some of my comments at: [ http://www.gazettextra.com/users/poobah/... ] Once they see how often I've caught people at their games (subterfuge, hypocrisy and name calling), they'll have a much better understanding why some get so excited over my comments.

The poo_koch troll has spoken, again. Feel free to look at all the off topic, inflammatory, and extranious remarks provided with the primary intent of provoking readers/psters into an emotional response. This poster fits well into the liberal/socialist/democrat/ party of Wisconsin today, just like flag burner graeme zielinski

http://gazettextra.com/users/poobah/comm...

http://gazettextra.com/users/Koch_Bros/c...

RetiredAirFoce said, "LincolnTruman I wonder why your posts are so full of fear and rhetoric? Must just be a coincidence..." and "poo_koch."

kaysbrew said, "wigglemouse, well it's a good thing Walker asked for the investigation himself," and "wigglemouse too funny."

Is there a name for the phobia of imagining that people are posting comments under more than one username?

Yes poo_koch you do have a serious mental issue. Thankfully you fit in perfect on your socialist side of the world.

Well,
if you think it,
it must be true.

Actually, I think BOTH of the economists mentioned in the article signed the Recall petitions against Walker.

"The notion that the Wisconsin Department of Worforce Development--the state bureau that released the state's jobs data--"cooked the books" is simply absurd. Dennis Winters, Chief of the Office of Economic Advisors at the department, signed a petition in to recall Governor Walker.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/more...

Don't worry it will only be a matter of years before the old white ignorant repubs no longer exist, bahahahahahahahahaha
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17...

How can you be sure that Obama did not create the jobs?

Did you lose any of your magical powers when the cloak fell off, RAF?

The cloak is falling off the trolls back.

Haha, you've got to love this. RetiredAirForce double posted the following:

"No2 you double posting tactic between blogs is shedding light on your other accounts."

[ http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2012/may... ] and [ http://www.gazettextra.com/weblogs/lates... ]

No2 you double posting tactic between blogs is shedding light on your other accounts.

Typical liberal approach fear. Not one comment about the content only a childish red herring remark on your odd desires to know about others personal lifes. Perhaps one of your other accounts will comment on the content of the issues.

RAFs link from an OPINION column in the post on 5/14 but todays post has an article in the politics page:
""A day after Wisconsin Democrats aired their frustrations with the national party, the Democratic Governors Association announced that another $700,000 was sent last week to fund a Greater Wisconsin ad buy and Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) has announced a trip to the state to campaign with Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett. Barrett faces Gov. Scott Walker (R) on June 5. (Update: The $700,000 is included in the DGA’s already-announced $2 million investment.)""
Old opinions are not proven RAF, nice try though.Are you and Wislady dating?

really?http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/national-democrats-increase-investment-in-wisconsin-recall/2012/05/15/gIQAZn83RU_blog.html

This is all snake oil, an illusion. In 2008 the republicans were swept out because of the massive financial crisis that happened on the watch of 6 years of total republican rule. FAILURE, epic failure. In 2010 the republicnas spent all the money they could to convince successfully the people that it wasnt their fault. Now here we are and the stupid American public is once again left to vote for one or the other , they both lie, cheat , and steal their way to the top and they continue to get all of their sheep in the pasture to eat it up.
Feel sorry for democrats? I feel sorry for anyone that thinks a political party will solve any of this nations problems. They wont they will just sell out to the highest bidder, and mark my words one of those bidders works hard to convince you that they care about you and your plight. Republicans dont want "smaller" government. They want government that covers their priorities.

Anyone care to address the FACT that the current Health care law that everyone seems to hate so much and labeled as the socialistic nightmare, was a republican Idea? Born at the Heritage foundation???
Who I feel most sorry for is the majority of Americans who stick to a poitical party and follow it lie a religion, that is what has caused the downfall of this once great nation, and will in the end be our undoing.

Oh No! The dem party at the upper levels has decided they already lost the battle in the recall mess. Poor tom :-(

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum...

Oh no! The new data is more accurate! Poor tom, what are you going to run on on now?

When is the Walker/Barrett debate? I want to hear about jobs from Barrett. Wisconsin is at 6.2%, Milawukee is at 10.2%, the US is at 8.2% and Milwaukee has a 55% black male unemployment rate. Oh wait but they are getting a new downtown TROLLY.

I feel sorry for Democrats but even more so for workers that Democrats don't want to find jobs. The haters want to see Wisconsin and the people fail so their favorite special interests can regain power. It is a sad sad commentary on how far the Democratic Party has fallen.

if you stand with walker you will fall for anything.. best sign I've seen yet.

Fear: there it is, your WDS again. :)

Sorry - October through December of 2011 is the period covered. My mistake.

No, this wouldn't include part time summer jobs in Wisconsin Dells. If I'm not mistaken, it's based on quarterly reports of actual payroll for first quarter (J-F-M 2012) that were due to be filed on April 30.

garyprimer...did you read the article?

More accurate than what?

Again Bowgal even using the new calculations on all 50 states Wisconsin is dead last. Is that what youre voting for, last place?

Rude by stating facts? Sorry if you take the context of factual arguments as rude. I would say that blaming poverty in Minorities on Democtats is rude wouldnt you? I woould say blaming democrats for out of control spending is rude wouldnt you? I would say that both parties are equally responsible for all the problems in this nation. I enjoy the republicans who say they want smaller government , EXCEPT in cases of their own ideas of what is and what isnt moral. Then go ahead and make laws to control other peoples life. Make statements like "This is a Christian nation" to justify YOUR version of large government.
The FACT is that no matter how you want to calculate jobs numbers, Wisconsin is in LAST place since Walkers election, NOT entirely his fault, but certainly cannot absolve his "divide and conquer" strategy of any and all blame. I want Wisconsin to be great , I love it here. I do not however wish to balance budgets on the backs of the most important civil servants to build 25 more Wal marts and claim job creation. Maybe that is the republican dream for my once great state in a once great nation , but I see it much differently.
I am sorry if you see me as rude I am actually a quite nice person. I just stand srong for what I believe to be true. I am far from the rudest of the posters oin these boards, but useret you would fail to see the rudeness in those you agree with because well you agree with them.

""Trust me fear...the Democrats never believe they lose at anything..........it's a sickness that cannot be cured.....they will conjure up some conspiracy that fails to acknoowledge their shortcomings....""

And the republicans sickness is blaming democrats for everything on Earth, you are a prime example of just that. The conjuring seems to me to happen on the republicant side just as much , unfortunately in your diagnosis Dr. Vato you again fail to see your own sickness, like maybe blaming political losses on Dead voters? Excuses are easy to come by.

Walker for president!!

This is probably a big part of this. How many people are now working multiple jobs to make ends meet???? Cherry picking your data Gov. Walker???
"Because the QCEW data is based on an establishment census which counts only filled jobs, it is likely that a multi-job holder will be counted two or more times in QCEW data."
http://www.bls.gov/cew/cewfaq.htm

Global economy means lower wages for unskilled or even no jobs. The sooner everyone figures that out and makes a plan to become skilled the better we will all be. The Feds need to draft a (Made In The USA) legislation that extends tax breaks to corporations for moving back to the USA. Only then will things change and yes it will mean other countries doing the same to us. The Wal-Mart low cost imports from China is the grease on the slide off the cliff for the American worker.

Fear----All I'm saying is that if figures benefit the Right they must be wrong but if figures benefit the Left they must correct. PS: are you always so rude?

And who are these that were polled? Why isn't anyone calling me, or any i know for that matter?

Also, I would like a breakdown of where these jobs were created. Are summer temporary jobs in Wisconsin Dells counted, are other temporary jobs counted also?

Don't forget, people who have lost their unemployment and still are not working are not counted. So number of unemployed would be even higher.

vatoloco
is that like the teamster leader going on MSNBC saying "even if we lose in Wisconsin, we still win"
hahaha, I see a meltdown.

Can't wait for the 2 debates. Yes, T Barret, lets talk about jobs.

mouse you need to move on. Everyone, including the Democrat in charge of that county knows the numbers were reported. The AP is not GOD of all reports.

Still, the new numbers based on a census of Wisconsin employers instead of a much smaller survey show a net gain of 23,300 jobs instead of a loss of 33,900 jobs.

A much smaller survey vs. Wisconsin employers having to report. How is that a lie?
A small survey can be manipulated which seems to be what happen to Walker to make him look bad. When real numbers come out, the story is told. Wisconsin is working again.

When I heard this was coming, I thought "even the Walker lovers won't be so stupid as to not see through this obvious lie". Guess I was wrong.

Have to enjoy people cheerleading for the future destruction of public education in Wisconsin. Yaaay.
If Walker wins, its not because of anything othe than Democrats failing at putting forth a decent candidate.
Almost all the polls being released Rasmussen , PPP, Marquette are oversampling Republicans about 35% to 28%. SO put all the stock in polls you like.

I think you can see the last thing Barrett had has just blown up in his face. I'm sure in three weeks, he'll find something else.
Maybe they should go back to Walker hates women.
Even though equal pay was signed into law in 1963 and all Walker did remove Gov. Doyle's 2009 law giving lawyers cart blanche.

vatoloco, you're telling me what progress means to me? And you telling me to get a clue? Hmmmmm.

killngrill, the only thing missing is your custom-tailored Koch sponsored Depends-lined solar powered air-vented aluminum composite tinfoil tri-corner hat.

Boom goes the dynamite!
The fat lady is warming up!
Get the fork ready kids, because this one is just about done.

If these revised numbers aren't good enough for you, they will be glad to revise them again to any numbers you want for a donation of $500,000. Free kiss and hug included.

And it could be more if the Democrats didn't kill the mining bill or if some used Act 10 in schools districts that laid off hundreds of teachers.

All very good news for Walker who is now leading by 6 points.

Donegeal..........Sounds just like WalMart..I wonder how much they contributed to Little Dubya's campaign..

Legal Defense Fund.

This is a hole lot better than former Jim, the raid all departments, Doily ever did!!
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Walker, Walker, Walker, Walker!!!
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MOVING THE GREAT STATE OF WISCONSIN "FORWARD"
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FINALLY, FORWARD ------->

The next time a politician delivers on a campaign promise will be the first time...in history. And lately, politicians don't even waste the air to make promises, they simply spend their millions to try make the idiot they are running against look bad.

Useret what numbers put out by the left?Is the department of workforce development now a left wing organization? Too bad so many think this way. Just pick your team and cheerlead.
Anyone who thinks there will be this mass hiring binge if Walker wins is seriously struggling with reality. That is the biggest piece of hyperbolic trash I have heard. These are the same exact people that tell you that business creates jobs not government, yet free market businesses are waiting to see who wins a partisan election? Laughable. If they really cared about Scott Walker winning to move here why wait. Move here , create a ton of jobs and the recall never even matters. Always seems to bean excuse for failure.
Here's a FACTOID that he should run on. No matter how you want to calculate job numbers Wisconsin is losing , we are DEAD LAST in the job market, PERIOD. So sell the whole business is waiting rhetoric to one of the cult.
Funny also that a week ago Marquette poll had Barrett up a point and repubs said it didn't matter, but now they do? Because you believe 6% of the electorate suddenly flipped? Some of you people should be drug tested.

In what way mouse?

Kay5, that's real good spin. Did that come down from f'edup or Wislady? Didn't you forget to add 'union puppet' Barrett?

Kilgoretrout, is that what they call it? Walker Derangement Syndrome? That's a good one!! But they only need to spot one line though to test whether they have WDS. So when you hear or read, "I support Scott Walker because he did what he said he was going to do," you know you're dealing with a mental disorder or disease and not necessarily something that could be helped with facts or reality. That explains alot. Thank you!

employers are waiting for Walker to get re-elected and then will start expanding. If Barrett wins they will leave the state. Employers arent' stupid.

"Facts are facts" says one misinformed commenter.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/20...

New Marquette poll just in, Walker 50. Barat 44. I guess that silent majority is still around.

Midnight ride- you're adorable banging your head against a brick wall. Trying to educate a Democrat puppet is like trying to tell a child to eat his veggies.
If the truth sets you free, the left will always be chained down.
Give them all the links and Bureau Stats you want, zombies don't ask why.

Actually WDS (walker derangement syndrome) is a sickness.

Walker's supporters latest defense for his lies and crimes? They're all doing it!

Criminal defense fund? They're all doing it. Divide and conquer? They all divide and conquer. Walker lies? All politicians lie. Walker's budget is an ideological class war plan. All budgets are ideological class war plans. Walker's jobs numbers are fabricated to boost his election? All jobs numbers are fabricated to boost elections. That's what happens when you take an indefensible stand for someone and have nothing positive to report. Seek out equivalencies no matter how absurd to justify Scott Walker.

It is a sickness.

Strange how you shouldn't believe any figures put out by the Right but you can TRUST the figures put out by the Left. I mean, would they lie to you?

http://badgerherald.com/news/2012/04/24/...

Here is another article of the UW MAdison professor as well, worth a read.

http://www.journaltimes.com/news/local/g...

These are a couple of examples of some more wishy-washy opinions of the professor depending on his own perception of his security. So let us not put so much stock in revised numbers and less than trustworthy people making statements. And again even with these revisions of numbers we still rank DEAD LAST!! Congrats on winning the race to the Bottom Sott and bBecky!! Keep twisting budget and job numbers all you like not gonna change 1 mind on June 5th, time to face tthe music. Enough polls, enough twisting and turning , enough dumb ads against Tom Barrett and his Milwaukee record during the Global economic crisis, that Scott Walker is equally responsible for. The ads against Kathy Falk were relating unemployment and job loss to her as county executive but Walker as a county executive is like teflon? Really? This is getting so inconsiustent and hysterical its almost funny to watch how almost religious the supporters are.

I love, love , love how the unemployment rate being what it is in Wisconsn is due to newly inflated job numbers suspiciously pushed out quickly by the Gov? Yet when it comes to national job numbers and unemployment rate its because people are leaving the workforce and its all Obamas fault. I swear this game of political scoreboard watching is sick. The double standards here are almost unfathomable.
Blaming Doyle for the massive job loss during a Global economic crisis is absolutely hilarious!! I grow tired of the inconsistencies of so many on these boards. One of the people in this article touting the accuracy of these numbers is a wells-fargo fund manager? That made me laugh so hard I am still laughing now!! The only folks I trust less than the Walker cult, might be hedge fund managers. Who else could post a 2 billion dollar trading loss and still keep their 25 million dollar a year job? Ask the CEO of JP morgan. And some of you criticize teachers for not living in the "real world"? Is that your real world?

All of you repubs can tout every poll you want, Walker can spend all the money he wants, he already has , and this race is all dependant on who turns out, no matter how many fake inflated numbers the Walker cult twists and turns in their favor, it wont change the minds of ANY voters , none!! Walker may win this race in the end, but he will be forever damaged because of it, and so will this state. His mark on Wisconsin will never be a positive one. He doesnt care about anyone other than wealthy donors, if you believe otherwise your a sucker. Regardless of any poll this race will be exteremely close. I also contend that as long a the Senate is taken away from his rubber stamp dictatorship then we can see if Scott Walker can do anything other than travel all over the nation speking to tea party groups. Then maybe he can govern instead of dictate.

When the national unemployment (Obama's) rate went down, the RW loons claimed it was because millions of people dropped out of the workforce or are no longer claiming UC benefits. But when Wisconsin's lower unemployment rate drops despite losing jobs, it's because of the great job Scott Walker is doing. Is lying contagious?

As one other poster put it, if all the state's use Walker's calculator, Wisconsin would still finish 50th in jobs growth. Unfortunately.

midnight - you can twist all you want up and down. I moved to this state not to long ago, opened my bussiness here from AZ. I had 34 employees, I now have 28 not because I had to let 6 go, they had to move to different states so their husbands could find jobs. I lost over 30 customers, again because they had to move to different states for work when GM, Leer, LSI, the Gap, Damons and so on closed.
Now shall I go from my bussiness to my personal life? Seventeen families from my church had to move to different states, many moving back into one of their parents homes with their kids because they have lost their jobs and can't find work in WI that supports a family in middleclass. My brother had to move two states over when he was laid off, my daughter and her family 3 states over, my best friend and her family 3 states over. The big kicker NONE of these people worked for GM. They all had non-union jobs.
So that is the sole reason I want walker recalled. He promised jobs, they didn't come. I lost just about all the people I lived in WI for and I believed walker when he said he would 'fix' WI with his brown paper bag. He has 'fixed' nothing for the people only corps and corrupt friends with my tax dollars. As soon as I can sell our house and my bussiness I will join my family and friends 3 states over because walker has lied about his 'fixing' WI plain, simple and easy to understand.

916 wrote "youkillme....It's gotta be killing you that numbers like this are coming out:) Embrace it buddy--let go of the negativity......It looks like we're in for a couple of more years of Governor Walker..."

What kills me is that wanker can spin numbers in a way no other state does and claim they are good and some sheeple believe it. While they may be better than the previous estimates, they are still more than likely the worst in the nation and 230,000 jobs short of wanker's promise. That is if you believe wanker and his cronies are telling the truth about the numbers.

Well, according to that "liberal rag" Forbes magazine, the Gov's new stats are self inflated crap. I guess I'll believe them over some fruitcake economy professor who probably has to have his nose surgically removed from Scooter's backside.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/20...

Who cares... hes trying and doing more good for this state than its ever seen.

Midright-ride, stop parroting Walker's State Dept of Workforce Development and Bureau of Labor Statisics as being the golden rule for facts and figures. Believe me, you don't need any more help in your foolishness.

Okay, I can see the left is too blindsided to see or think straight if they think Walker is counting.
By federal law, okay? Federal law the entire work force must be counted. Not estimated with surveys of only 3%.
Too bad the left is so completely uneducated about this.
One would think that is the hopes of Democrat leaders.

wiggle, Walker's numbers could by better if not for Barrett. And, of course, as I already posted, Walker's numbers will help Obama.
No hyprocrisy, no spin. Look it up yourself.

Dept of Workforce Development and Bureau of Labor Statisics.

It didn't take long for Obama to show up. You rightwing loons kill me.

All of this revising by the Governor. He's been revising data for over a year now and still doesn't have it right. I think it proves just one thing -- the Governor can't count jobs correctly!

How can the state trust a man who promises he'll create 250,000 jobs when he can't even count jobs correctly?

Estimated from survey of 3% can be very wrong and usually is throughout the year.
These final numbers by federal law has to be submitted by employers of all their work force by May 16th each year.

This, of course, could help Pres. Obama in the nationwide numbers if it weren't for states like Illinois and California.

midnight - If you are going to hold Barrett responsible for Millwaukee's unemployment then you must hold walker responsible for the states unemployment or are you a hypocrite? Which most repubs are!

wiggle, please follow me if you can.

Dept of Work Force Development and Bureau of Labor Statisics just making it up. I imagine the left also believes they were wrong when Doyle lost 151,000 jobs.

Watch for the labor explosion once Obamacare is repealed.

Midnight_ride, facts are facts. You're funny. It's highly unusual for a state to release there own jobs data before it is reviewed and officially released by the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. The bureau's numbers are scheduled to publish during the last week of June, several weeks after the recall. That means there will be yet another revision. Facts are facts. The fact is, Walker is a serial liar and can't be trusted.

23,300 in 2011/ but how many were lost in 2011? Walker only knows had to add not subtract.
All I had to do was look up 'jobs in WI in 2011' and just the first page was insane!
12,500 lost in July
2,300 lost in Aug
9,700 lost in sept
so how do you get "net gain of 23,300 jobs instead of a loss of 33,900" when in just three months 24,000 people lost their jobs?
There were NO major findings to support a "net gain of 23,300 jobs".
Walker should have stayed in school, it is apparent he can't figure out addition and subtraction equals the REAL answer.

Facts are facts. They go hand in hand with the 6.8% unemployment rate.
Imagine that Wisconsin could be the lowest unemployment state in the nation if it weren't for Tom Barrett and his city of Milwaukee where they have 10.4%.

Tom Barrett, do you still want to talk about jobs? You lose on that issue too.

The complaining left should then go back and look at the surveys. Back to the 1960's the surveys orginally that come out are always incorrect and adjusted upward. Always, they are just surveys of 3% of the work force.
These May numbers are the correct numbers and not the survey numbers.
Please educate yourselves. You look foolish.

I'll believe these numbers from Walker only if they're released during a taped conversation with a billionaire.

It's good to see Scotty putting that out of state money to good use, economists don't come cheap.

Perhaps Walker is finding the poll numbers as flexible as the job numbers.

"Dresser further points out that even if we were to go along with Walker’s preferred metrics, despite their being completely out of synch with the remainder of the country, we simply end up “dancing around zero.” While the Establishment Survey puts the numbers of jobs lost slightly below zero, the alternative survey preferred by the Walker people puts them just above zero. At the end of the day, we’re talking about zero job growth—even under Walker’s favored, if completely unorthodox, approach."
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/20...
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"Dancing around zero" I think that should be Scott Walker's slogan.

Latest Kos poll in walker 50 barat 45. Feel it slippin?

wislady, that groveling is pathetic.

Then why does he need a defense fund? He could represent himself and say, "Everybody does it!"

Walker's idea of Job creation:

Take one secretary who makes 35,000 a year and 60,000 total with benefits.

Fire her. That would be -1 job

Now hire 3 people working part time making only 20,000 a year and no benefits. That is +3 jobs.

That's a net job growth of +2 jobs! Just ignore the fact that the 3 people hired are still making poverty level income and the one that was fired is now jobless.

If the other 49 states go back and use Walker's method of calculation we would then be last again.

It's not - trust me. My poll numbers show Barrett 67% - Walker 31%. Those poll numbers must be killing you.

"Thank you, Scott Walker!" For what? He, like most politicians, can't come anywhere close to keeping a campaign promise and the numbers are FAR from what he campaigned on. I hope none of these "new" jobs are anywhere near Milwaukee, as that would make things look good for Barrett.
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The national economy is improving, despite the destructive legislation of tea party "paytriots" and the extremist right wing.
Thank you Obama.

youkillme....It's gotta be killing you that numbers like this are coming out:) Embrace it buddy--let go of the negativity......It looks like we're in for a couple of more years of Governor Walker........

"Everybody does it." That's the new Walker defense.

hahahahaha.

Walker's created his own budget surplus and now jobs numbers with another revision. Which revision is this? Walker jobs 2.0 or 3.0. What's next?

and 3 for you....everybody does it.

Three words for you. Legal Defense Fund.

"And the new figures cover both private and public jobs while Walker's promise was only for public sector jobs."

This statement is incorrect.

Classic....The AP couldn't report great news without getting in a jab on Walker......so typical......These numbers should definitely help Walker wrap up the upcoming election though:)

Thank you, Scott Walker!