And once again, RetiredAirForce responds to what he considers someone trolling. What's that saying about repeatedly doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

I see the poo_koch troll has been busy today.

teapartysal said, "The Industrial Areas Foundation is a self professed Marxist group."

To angry old white fascists even moderate Republicans are Marxists.

oh, another comment for the person in the story who just didn't know where the anger was coming from, tho I don't know exactly what anger she was referring to. Perhaps the teachers parents don't want teaching their children are the ones who attended WEAC's training session with the Industrial Areas Foundation at the end of March. The Industrial Areas Foundation is a self professed Marxist group. Even tho this FACT was not printed in the Gazette or other papers, many people are aware of it. While teachers as individuals or groups are free to associate with whom they please, so are parents, and by extension, their children. I choose NOT to associate with Marxists. I consider them to be traitors, and if I had children in the school system, I would not want them taught by Marxists, either.

It seems that if these citizens were truly in favor of responsible government, they would want to know why Walker lied to the people of Wisconsin, why he lied to Congress under oath and why he felt he needed a secret e-mail network to communicate with his sycophants, etc. instead of being engaged in illegal activities in the dark of night.

@vato- Of course the teacher also doesn't collect overtime and Vato- seriously? You do realize that they still make the same amount per year if they opt to "spread it out" during the summer, don't you?

@ poohbah.. yep... court records are public records http://www.putwisconsinfirst.com/wcca/

I'm sure the board president knows who distributed the fliers! Prove me wrong Bill!

I arrived home after a vacation to find this ridiculus flyer attached to my mailbox. I am now interested in knowing the salary and benefit packages of workers employed by some of the Rock County 5.0 people. The ones I want to see are the companies that build schools, goverment buildings and roads- mainly JP Cullen and Rock Road. My guess is that the salary and benefit package for construction workers and road construction workers is similar to that of a teacher. Both can be govenment funded. The difference being that construction workers are often "laid-off" during the winter and are forced to collect unemployment while the teacher during the summer does not collect. Here we are folks- "divide and conquer" strategy. Walker has forced us to make these comparisons. Very very sad.

yep, 4 bucks on top of hourly.. no time and a half or anything.. I'm glad you saw something orderly and polite. Did you see the link? this was at Madison. I wasn't at this one, but when I was there, someone twice tried to unplug the speakers.. cops took them away. Union chanting in the background made it hard to hear. So, maybe you only did see polite, orderly protesting, but trust me, that doesn't mean the other kind didn't exist, any more than the fact that this paper and others didn't report it does. For the record, I think most teachers do a good job, and in many cases may be forced into teaching things they don't believe in, or in ways that they don't believe in. It happened to me as a daycare teacher too many times. Also as a teacher aide in 3 years of 'aiding'. I just never understood why I didn't agree with what I was doing.. now I know.

Wisconsin court records are also public information, Orville Seymer, and are available at: http://wcca.wicourts.gov/simpleCaseSearc...

sorry, forgot to paste the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXnJKc337...

cheeseboard. call in pay of 4 bucks an hour, paid2 paychecks from now. they found someone else. thank goodness. Here is a link to one of the Madison stories I referenced. Any decent person must condemn the idiot yelling obscenities back at a 14 year old, but tell me, what do you think of the demonstrators trying to drown out the speakers?

@ liverpool.. but DID they call them radicals? or did they just say they didn't want their child taught by a radical teacher??? Again, I don't like the wording either.. but, I haven't seen the flyer for myself.. just what the Gazette has printed here.
and yep, divide and conquer is what the liberal media want to do.. time is probably better spent asking yourself why. I have my own opinion why, but best everyone comes to their own decision on that.
Hire patriots only? Hire only people qualified and willing to do the job.Whatever the job is. Good, qualified teachers don't push their own political agendas on children and they don't let others do it either.. and for the record, I do believe most teachers are caring people.. who do NOT believe their job is to change the values children get from their parents.. contrary to what their education professors have told them.

@cheeseboard??? I can simply tell you that I had my face screamed at.. I was walking with eyes front. period. I personally know an elderly man who was shoved to the ground. Video tape of a man shouting filth to a teenage speaker is all over youtube You may have seen worse, I don't want to. You write your statement as if I am arguing for or against teachers.. I am not doing either.. that is why I mentioned that I was a childcare teacher for a decade. I am all to well aware of spending one's own time and money on teaching. I did it and loved it for over a decade. Gotta run, just got a second call to come in to work tonight. supposed to be my day off.

It seems a little hypocritical of the writer/distributor of this flier to be calling teachers "radicals". This is a radical move by radical sheeple. And why are these radicals so afraid to identify themselves. They are cowardly radicals.

a couple of people stated they wanted to know what others make.. I am a nurse.. lpn. my hourly base rate is 16.74 per hour. Starting rate was 16.30 2.5 years ago. I get 2 weeks vacation per year. I get an occurence if I call in sick, and a verbal warning if I call in sick more than 3 times. I work e/o weekend and 3 holidays out of 6. I only get holiday pay for holidays I actually work. I rarely take my 1/2 hour lunch, and I rarely get out of work on time. Those are the straight up facts with no opinions/comparisons, etc. I paid for my own nurses training, as well as the Associate Degree I have in early childhood ed, and I worked as a daycare teacher for over a decade.

oh, these flyers are delivered at night d/t traffic concerns. No, I did NOT deliver any of these, nor did I receive one, but I have paperboxed for events. It also depends on the time that people have available to do the paperboxing.. it is all volunteer. No small thing when one considers the price of gas.

Fedup, thanks.. I posted something similar, but with more info, and gee, it never appeared.. I'll try again.
Ms. Shulte. the intense anger comes from a backlash against what happened in Madison. I was there, there were people identifying themselves as teachers, and they were acting like a mob.Part of the mob was so violent that staff members of a state legislator were forced to hide in a back room quite literally in fear for their lives. I received emails from them as it happened. This and the vandalism that has happened around the state to those who support Walker explains why people want to remain unknown My unposted comments also pointed out that if the paper cared about news or providing useful info, it could have printed the salaries, with info on # of hours worked, continuing ed, etc. People then could have formed their own opinions. Which certainly is NOT what the Gazette wants.
I guess I should be flattered??? Apparently the points in my previous posts were so salient that the gazette feared printing them.. WOW! Thank you..Miss Babor, Mrs. Thorpe, Mrs. Landon, Mr. Zaugra, Mrs. Calkins, Miss Hargrave for teaching me how to write so well.. and most of all Thank You Mrs. Trapp for that unit on propaganda that you taught back in 68-69 at Oak Crest Junior High. in Beach Park Illinois -now that's what I call an education

To say that Scott Walker wanted this group to do this is like saying President Obama loves the Westboro Baptist Church to continue protesting military funerals.......some of you need to get your head on straight and quit the blame game. COMMON SENSE....

fyi, 2 of my comments, which pointed out that the paper is making up this story for its own left wing propaganda purposes are not here..

BTW - Re using Gazette Tubes to distribue literature - I don't remember giving Bliss publications permission to come onto my property to deliver its little free propaganda papers? Once purchased by Bliss, the Shopper newspapers became a total waste of time.

I keep reading about teachers working nine months a year. I say pay them for the time they work. Of course, this would include paying for the mandatory continuing education required by law, and overtime for after school meetings and at home work. Would they make more? Someone do the math for me, then thank your teacher.

what a great world where we all sit around and worry about what everyone else has going on in their lives.

feduptaxpayer writes...
So a group puts out a flyer that has teachers names and salaries and they are anti-teacher??
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Give me a break - what a pathetic headline.

(precisely this)

I have noticed something lately...
Everywhere I go there is a Walker add. On bilboards on television all over...
This tells me he is scared. He gets all of this out of state money for all of these adds and slams the democrats for doing the same thing. He knows the democrats don't have the money to compete with his practicaly endless supply of rich republicans pockets. Keep throwing those adds at us scooter we will see where it gets you.
God bless all. :-)

Truth be told,teachers really only work 8 months a year when you consider Christmas break, spring break , and several other govt holidays.

gandalf your actual words were

"this tea party fringe is cowardly in addition to being incredibly stupid"

"character of these people who probably don't realize how Nazi-like they have become"

"These tea Party cowards"

"To the tea party types that are behind this junk"

" The people who put out this junk propaganda are witch hunting"

" Spreading hate-filled propaganda anonymously in the dark of night"

As you can plainly see you identified the group as a hate filled, nazi-like, witch hunting, tea party group. The idea that you are back tracking now from your previous over the top statements says much about you.

Perhaps we should review all of the Walker political appointee salaries and qualifications.

Let this be a good lesson to our youth. If you work hard, get a good education you won't have to settle for minimum wage. And you will have a teacher to thank. Let's inspire the best and brightest high schoolers to be teachers. You don't do that by making the job one with poor salary and benefits. I don't think any of these salaries are out of line. If you want a teacher's salary, then go to school and be a teacher. Your school board negotiated these terms. The school board reflects the wants of the community as they are elected. So what's the problem?

Shocking news just in from CRG:

Professionals with decades of experience and advanced degrees make a pretty good salary! STOP THE PRESSES!

Callitas, the 70K plus benefits is base salary for nine months work. The extra activities you mention is extra!!!

Stubby, this doen't include coaching and summer school. This is the base.

And for the record, I didn't say it was right or wrong, just stating a fact.

This continuing attack on teachers as well as public employees by the right wing fascist idiots is nothing more than the 1% trying to inflame hatred and envy to protect their wealth. After all, after they do away with child labor laws and we return to the 18th century working conditions, you will not need an education. And you middle class fools who support this crap will wake up one day and find you're next in their sights.

This will be interesting....and Zelinski is part of it. Who contacted who??

19-year-old in trouble for allegedly trying to sell Rep. Party info.

MADISON — A Wisconsin Republican Party volunteer is accused of trying to sell sensitive information to the state’s Democratic Party, but the other side didn’t go for it.

19-year-old Erik Turner is an open supporter of the Republican Party. His Facebook profile shows him with Scott Walker. His car is littered with pro-Walker stickers, and for a time, he volunteered at the Waukesha County Republican headquarters.

Now, Turner is under investigation by Milwaukee County’s District Attorney for allegedly trying to sell access to a Republican Dropbox account. It all started when Democratic spokesperson Graeme Zielinski received an email with an offer to buy the information.

Court documents didn’t specify whether the email was sent from Waukesha’s Republican headquarters. However, they do say it was only one of four places that it was accessed.

A search warrant obtained by FOX6 News states Turner sent two separate messages soliciting a deal. Those documents show the first email sent on February 26th to info@wisdems.org says “I have the Republican Party of Wisconsin’s Dropbox password, and account. I’m willing to sell it to you for a certain price. This is not a joke.”

A second email was sent March 2nd directly to Zielinski. It contained a similar message but added: “This could be used to your advantage if you knew what to do with it.”

FOX6 News tracked Turner down at his home, but he wouldn’t acknowledge the situation, saying only “no comment.”

Wisconsin’s Republican Party would not go on camera, but released a statement saying: “The Republican Party of Wisconsin does not condone this type of behavior from anyone. As soon as we were made aware, we reported this incident to the proper authorities.”

The state’s Democratic Party is also being relatively tight lipped about the situation. At first a spokesperson had agreed to an interview, but later called back and said instead the party has no comment at this time.

http://fox6now.com/2012/05/21/19-year-ol...

Perhaps we should get the names and salaries of all Dean and Mercy employees and publish that information. After all, my tax dollars pay the medicare that pays their salaries. Or, for those who think this is so fair, perhaps you should publish your salary and name for everyone to see. Nope - this is dirty politics and should be outlawed. This was not the intent when things like "freedom of information" was created. I'm not sure it is "hateful", but is sure is "spiteful".

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And, for the record, I think for20+ years and an advanced degree, teaching full time, coaching 2 sports, and teaching summer school, I think $70k is not only reasonable, but probably quite low.

Wow gandalf, they worked with a group to give a letter to a city mayor. That seals it...that was HATEFULL!!!!!!!!!!!!

The clueless left wing fringe is deranged.

I can hire professionals with 15-20 years experience, ask them to work 50 hours a week 48 weeks a year and have my pick of the litter for the $70,000 many of these teachers make in 9-10 months. They also will fund a minimum of 6% into a 401k to get matched 4% from the company and pay $95 a week for health care.

Feduptaxpayer said.

So a group puts out a flyer that has teachers names and salaries and they are anti-teacher??
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Give me a break - what a pathetic headline.
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Precisely this

yada and Gandalf

Both of you seem to gather all your information/opinions from the headlines of articles, not the body of the article.

yada
Your campaign site seems to show further indication that the "leak" is coming from someone close to Barrett.

Possible sources....

John Barrett (brother of Tom Barrett). who is Clerk of Circuit Court/Director of Court Services for Milwaukee County

The wife of David Budde(chief investigator in the John Doe) She is a clerk for one of the Milwaukee County Judges)

Tom Barrett himself, from information received from John Barrett.

The John Doe probe was focused on campaigning on the county clock, by people who worked for Walker during his tenure as Milwaukee County Executive.

The gathering of recall signatures in the offices of the investigators was said to be ONLY on the lunch time and not work time. Anyone believe that?

Time for a new John Doe regarding the Milwaukee County DA office.

Goodamerican- I think you have me confused with someone with a similar name.?

Those teacher salary numbers are their base pay numbers. That is why the numbers are the same for large groups of them. If you included the extra's I am sure some are approaching a100k a year- oops I meant 9 months :D.

The CRG Network IS a tea party hate group.

A sad commentary when someone feels the need to attack those that teach our children in an effort to advance their political views. Why do these Walker supporters continue with the "You don't have it, why should they" rhetoric? Jealousy only works on the shallow and narrow minded, I guess that speaks volumes about their target audience. If Walker had any integrity and character he would denounce these cretins.

Remember that these "salaries" likely include all of the coaching of extra-curricular activities (most teachers work long days plus grading and lesson plan preparation at home) and pay from teaching summer school (yes, there are a lot of teachers that teach year-round contrary to popular belief). The "benefits" include the artificially inflated "health insurance" costs (the over-charging for the district's self-insurance is what creates the Fund 10 balance). Before anyone thinks that switching to a Dean or Mercy plan saves any money, remember that the district is "at cost" right now and keeps the leftovers when costs are below projections (which they almost always are). Once it goes to private market, there's no more leftovers.
I'd love to see someone show salaries for those of us in the private market - show what folks with a Masters degree gets paid and what a Bachelors degree gets paid - I have just a Bachelors and I make more than any teacher on that list (and I'm thankful for my high-quality public school education and my parents' committment and involvement with my education). Education makes life better - it is the key that opens doors. Those who complain about teachers and the public school system tend to be those who undervalued education, made poor choices, and ended up in a position in life accordingly. I honestly hope Governor Walker and his minions don't destroy the public school system - once you eliminate that opportunity that everyone enoys, only the rich will be able to afford quality education for their children and there will be no more level playing field. While not everyone takes advantage of their educational opportunities, everyone at least has that chance right now.

the liberal value menu. order anything you want and the person behind you has to pay for it. what a country

The news surrounding this E lection, should be reported on the E network. Barely any of it is really news, just over hyped gossip. Of course, unfortunately, that could be said about virtually any big time election these days. Like sands of the hourglass....

What? The local left wing fringe said this was done by a tea party hate group. So, since the left fringe posters are never wrong, this story must be false.

How dare they request real facts???

Yada, if you keep repeating yourself it does not mean it's true. You keep reporting the same thing time and time again in different threads. It's getting pretty old and I think hurting your opinion on the matter and making you look like a fanatical nut.

yada - how difficult is it to understand that no one can release information regarding the John Doe investigation. If investigators are looking into e-mails, the e-mails can't be released. Prosecutors can't talk about it, interviewees can't talk about it...no one can under penalty of the law. The dems will keep pushing for information about it knowing it can't be released in an effort to make it look like Walker is keeping quiet about it under his own accord.

If it's public information what is so upsetting? If you took a teaching job and knew your salary and benefits are public information, why complain?

The CRG is Walkers political group - don't believe the numbers or the Walker made up job numbers....a real joke. Take some time instead and read about the people that were working very close to Walker in Milwaukee and are part of the growing John Doe probe.

http://www.walkerinvestigation.com/

From those numbers on the flier it looks like Janesville teachers make over $400 a day they work plus another $200 in benefits per day!!

Time for Scott Walker to release ALL of the emails from when he was County Executive.We need to see his connection to those in the John Doe probe. Once again we are seeing WI version of Watergate and you have John Dean the former White House Lawyer with Nixon who had this to say about Walker -"If I lived in Wisconsin, I would be uncomfortable with this man, whom I find more Nixonian than even Richard Nixon himself"-

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/ma...

it is interesting how some people are villianized for exercising their political right in signing the petitions, but a negative word is never said against those who didn't sign. Political statements can be inferred for both actions.

This is the Scott Walker political group that wants him to win and will do every dirty trick they can. They also had a big part in his County Ex. election. Read the actual words from the Mr. Bucher how to mess with the John Doe probe. Sorry - its a Dem. site, but you cannot take away the actual words that were used with others in a meeting. Take the time to read the part "Discredit the John Doe Process" - Another sad commentary on Walker and his group.

http://www.wisdems.org/news/press/view/2...