The problem is assult rifles are being supplied to the idiots.

OK you guys want to ban guns right. So answer me this question then why did we ever pass conceal and carry in the first place and run it through the way we did? Remember it's not the gun that kills it's the idiot pulling trigger that kills. The way this sounds to me is we need idiot control and keep the guns out of their hands. That is what needs to be controlled in my opinion.

fearandrhetoric4dummies - You need to rewrite your stale copy-n-paste hash about citizens opposing "the most fully funded, well trained military on Earth". If we ever feel the need to take up arms against the government, we won't be sending in checks to the IRS to continue to fund the army. I doubt the army (half of it currently National Guard members) will be taking worthless dollars to enslave their friends and neighbors. At that point, perhaps those brave French troops on loan to the UN will take the devalued dollar to support the government sending the army against its own citizens , enforcing President For Life (didn't you get the memo about Executive Order #666?) Obama's edicts.

Also, the American revolution didn't start with untrained colonists lining up in formation in bright red coats and going toe-to-toe against the British. They fired in ambush from behind trees and rocks - the original "shoot and scoot", giving General Washington and Baron von Steuben time to train the Continental army. Many of the volunteers had been members of the various Colonial militias - think of regular army units VERSUS former National Guard members, not WITH National Guard units.

Talk to veterans of Afghanistan deployments about their experiences with natives possessing Kalashnikov assault rifles. That being said, if it comes to armed rebellion in America, the smart rebels will emulate their forefathers. They will use their scoped, bolt action, deer rifles and take one shot at an occupying soldier, usually in an urban environment, preferably an officer or specialist, and run like heck. They won't be standing at the city limits sign waiting for the 1st Armored Division to arrive while holding an AR-15 in one hand, and waving a "Don't Tread On Me!" flag with the other.

Assault rifles are useful for defending your life, family, and property against groups of criminals. Looters and thugs usually "work" in groups and having a firearm with more useful range than a handgun and more rounds of ammunition than a shotgun can be a lifesaver. Ethnic Korean merchants in LA defended their stores from looters during the Rodney King riots after the police fled the rioters. The Koreans, armed with assault rifles, prevented violence and vandalism.

If you want to live in an unarmed socialist state, I recommend England or Scotland. Not only can't you have a gun to defend yourself there, but you're not allowed to use violence to defend your property. You have a duty to retreat if attacked. Start exercising and learn a martial art if you don't already know one, because, without a firearm to defend yourself, it's the strongest arm and the longest improvised bludgeon that wins the fight over there. Also, remember you won't always be the tough professional athlete that you are now. When arthritis and osteoporosis have weakened you, you may not have the strength to defend yourself until the local police, armed with tin whistles, can rescue you.

patriotsal - I used to shop at Basics, until they put the "No Guns" signs on the doors after the concealed carry law was passed. Is it still their policy not to allow concealed carry in their store? I'm not disarming myself to go watch a movie about the dangers of being unarmed.

At least the non-gun users are not the ones shooting people.

Forced gun ownership??? This is the next step for the right wingers and it's happening NOW in Utah.
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We don't need a Republican sheriff, we need a Constitutional Sheriff. It was out of ignorance that you elected Spoden, yet you seem very proud of it.

""Carlos way, We get it, you are an anti-gun Liberal, now go away.""

Why should anyone go away? Arent you looney gun hugging rednecks all about freedom? Or is it just the freedom to misinterpret the second amendment? Freedom of SPEECH is the first amendment in the bill of rights to tell someone to go away for aspousing a completely legitimate point of view makes you look pig-headed and ignorant.

I am all for an individual owning firearms to defend themselves and their families. To act as if the control of firearms through regulation is taking away your rights is silly.

What should be more alarming is , why gun owners call people "anti-gun liberals" when some folks want gun show background checks, Mental health requirements, etc?? Are these not common sense requirements? What on Earth does an individual ever NEED an AR-15 for? Cocaine hasn't always been illegal either, at some point people just need to be protected from themselves.

For people that seem to be so fanatical about the issue I suggest actually reading the second amendment: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Do any of you people really think that arming yourselves with these assault rifles will protect ou against the most fully funded, well trained military on Earth? That being said, common sense laws are necessary. Not banning all weapons, just banning weapons INTENDED solely for killing massive amounts of human beings, and making responsible gun owners PROVE their responsibility by requiring background checks for ANY and all gun sales. Also requiring mental health screenings to acquire these weapons. If you are a collector or a hobbyist you must have more stringent requirements to follow.

Its called common sense, something certain groups of people whom get hysterical have no idea about.

Teapartysal- you live in a blue county, ou will NEVER get a republican Sheriff, get over it. If you want that MOVE to Waukesha county, we the people of Rock county elected our sheriff.

And again we talk about "gun nuts" and the NRA as they are the problem. If you think that is the case you are the problem. How many of these mass murderers were NRA members. Do you honestly think these people are gun lovers?? Hell no, They are whackjobs and society plays right into their hands. I consider myself a "gun nut" and know alot of others that are too. Its too bad the law abiding gun owner/collector has to be lumped into the same catagory as all these dinks. As I have said 100 times before its not the guns that are the problem it is that society in general has no respect for themselves or anyone around them.

Right on, Wislady. The only good thing I can say about the mouse comment is it is so far out there that it makes it clear just how mentally ill he/she is. As for harming children.. I see the first comment on here is from carlitosway - who in the past has stated he/she supports ripping children apart..and mouse, I wouldn't volunteer to buy ammunition, as you have already bought quite a bit.. dhs just ordered 200,000 more rounds..paid for by the taxpayer dollar. Unless of course you dont pay taxes, mouse?

Those of you who are posting comments inferring that law abiding citizens are responsible for the shooting of children, should get your facts straight.

Mouse...

YOU in particular, have really crossed the line. Shame on you.

Right on Kimm - I've got this story on some national sites now. And I'm not really comfortable with the NRA at the White House, either. They were instrumental in getting permitted vs. constitutional carry.. a fact I stumbled across prior to 'scotty' being elected. Woody. - responsible people, gun owners or otherwise, don't 'go after' other people with intent to harm, nor do they imply that others do.

Patriotsal, thank you for posting about the film. I just watched it on-line and it's very eye-opening. Everyone should watch it.

Janesville is still stuck in the left-right false paradigm, I see. Once you realize that the left and the right are two sides of the same coin and are now both on the far left (big totalitarian government)you can start to work with each other to find a solution.
BTW, fascism, socialism, marxism,corporatism and communism are all on the far left. The Constitution is center right and anarchy is at the far right.

I see the righties aren't so fond about the "rule of law" when their beliefs feel violated.

The problem with concealed carry is the regulations and permits and all the bull thanks to Scooter and the NeoCons. We asked for constitutional carry!! Look what we got.

Just for a point if discussion, JPD did the same thing a few years ago. A restaurant with a class B was hosting rave parties with minors while alcohol was out.

We should have never passed Conceal and Carry. Because now we have a problem. So when Rock County loses I hope the liberals responsible will be the ones stuck with the bill.

The sheriff is supposed to represent the people, not the federal, state or local government and their agendas. Gary Keller would have never shut down a gun show. This shows what side of the debate Rock County will be forced into. Elections have consequences.

Those who want to see what gun control is REALLY all about are invited to come to Basics Co-op in Janesville for a FREE movie Wednesday, Jan. 30, Basic’s at 6:00 p.m. – MOVIE NIGHT – “INNOCENTS BETRAYED—THE TRUE STORY OF GUN CONTROL WORLDWIDE”
This will be a timely subject. This, as always, is open to the public so invite all you know. We will have time after the showing to discuss the documentary.

something else to consider... the lost revenue to other business owners in the area.. gas stations, restaurants, stores, from people who might have come to the show. Also, moving/starting even a small business requires a huge investment of time and money. Why would anyone want to risk that in a county where the top lawman doesn't believe in the constitution?

It sounds like RCSD screwed up. I have been told to watch Channel 3 News at 6 pm for the apology. Might it be that the only guns this deputy likes are "COP GUNS"?

Sheriff Mack was brought to Janesville to speak awhile back.. did anyone on here go? A word to the wise.. the next time you hear a candidate say he wants to emulate Sheriff Mack, unless you have some reason to disbelieve him/her.. VOTE for them.
By the way.. if there is a lawsuit over this issue... it doesn't matter who wins, the taxpayers of this county will be the ones footing the bill.

I posted a comment pointing out that this paper endorsed this sheriff in the last election. I also posted a quote from David Rockefeller thanking the media for it silence on their plans to establish a new world order. Dont have to be too bright to know guns in the hands of independent, freedom loving individuals might hinder those new world order creeps. The original comment disappeared.. Lets see if this one does, too.. here's the quote... DAVID ROCKEFELLER THANKS MEDIA FOR ITS SILENCE

“… it would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government …” – David Rockefeller in Baden-Baden, Germany 1991, thanking major media for keeping secret for decades the movement of the prophetic one world government.

hey, wow, my post that this paper endorsed Spoden isn't here. Wonder if its because I pointed that out?

Sigma40 - a Gazette employee read your post and initially OK'd it, but then another blogger, who fears your politics, complained to Scott Angus about the font you used, and after reviewing your account Mr. Angus noticed you only have a Class B blogging permit so he shut down your post. ☺

Seriously, did you perhaps include one of George Carlin's 7 forbidden words when describing the juxtaposition of the bar and the hall?

I believe that web sites such as the Gazette are protected from liability as long as they only delete, and not edit, people's comments. You could write something as brilliant as the U.S. Constitution on this site, but if they object to a single word or phrase of an otherwise exemplary post, they have to delete it all if they want to remove whatever they find objectionable.

Potential liability may be a reason they offer no explanation of why a post was deleted - even if it is due to an employee's error in judgement or even a mistaken click on a comment management page.

What a bunch of crap! Read the state law, specifically, Wisconsin Statute 941.237. It says basically no guns in bars and lists a bunch of exceptions. One of the exceptions, the one that the OWNER was using, is 941.237(3)(g) which says "The possession or use of a handgun on the premises if authorized for a specific event of limited duration by the owner or manager of the premises who is issued the Class "B" or "Class B" license or permit under ch. 125 for the premises."

So, it is for a 'specific event', the gun show, for a 'limited duration', 3 days!

This law only applies to handguns, long guns aren't prohibited at ALL!

http://docs.legis.wi.gov/document/statut...)

I'm so sick of hearing all the negativity towards guns because of everything thats been happening as of late! GUNS aren't the problem these days, it's STUPID PEOPLE with guns that we have to worry about, but I have to agree with twerp13, 40 years this guy has been doin this and never a problem until now, and because some idiot called the cops either because he's anti-gun or because he was mad because he couldn't get into the show, either way it's a classic example of rcsd and other people sticking their nose where it don't belong! people can try all they want but you'll never take guns away, you'll never take the 2nd ammendment right away from the american people! 2nd ammendment says the right to bear arms, not the right to bear arms..... and then any other excuse after it! good luck anti-gun people!!!

Why they keep deleting my posts? All I said was the hall was separate from the bar.

To be clear, according to the owner (in the full article) alcohol was served.

Carlos way, We get it, you are an anti-gun Liberal, now go away. I have been to this show several times, the bar has not been open any of those times. this is just a democrat sheriff pushing a left wing agenda, I hope he goes through with the lawsuit. FBI stats show that baseball bats are used to murder more people per year than guns, why is there no hysteria to ban them?

It's sad that in todays society peoples personal beliefs interfere with the law. Just because someone doesn't think it is a good idea to have a gun show does not make it an illegal event. I really fear for future generations of this country.

a few things I see wrong with All of your Post..
1) The Word "BAR".. It was in the banquet hall ( quite large enough in fact to hold people).. NO ALCOHOL was served.. ( sure it was visible and there is a connecting hallway to the bar that can be locked) but No Alcohol was served in the Hall...
They used to hold a gun show in ORFORDVILLE AT THE VFW .. AND ALL THAT SEPARATED THE BAR FROM THE GUN SHOW WAS A DOOR
2) Capacity - 6000 to 10000 people,,, ok that is not the number of people in the building,, it was tickets counted.. and
3) A RCSD officer walked through it and said everything was ok, So why the hassle. Somebody does not like Gene ( or the establishment or Guns in general..
I/We have done business with Gene over the past few years, Very up beat man and he has a very reputable business ( for a bar and banquet hall).. His facilities are far more reasonable for what you pay for in Janesville Beloit, or Madison.. He is ver accomodating to his leasee .

SOMEBODY JUST IS P!$$#D Off at him... I hope that they can come to some kind of resolution to correct this.. Both parties do not need the publicity

Something funny went on here and I smell a rat.

Recall what Sheriff Spoden said about the issue of concealed carry before it was passed in WI. “I think it escalates every conflict that individuals are going to be involved in to a very dangerous level,” Spoden said. “I don’t think it will decrease the level of violence in Wisconsin. To the contrary, I think it will increase the level of violence in the state.” This statement appears to be a flat contradiction of historical states' evidence that had already allowed concealed carry for decades. Does he want to take handguns out of the hands of women who carry them for personal protection ? http://www.gazettextra.com/news/2011/may...

Don't blame me,I voted for Gary Keller for sheriff... btw, for those who don't know.. the sheriff of every county is supposed to be the last line of defense between the people and all enemies who would take their rights away.

Carlitosway - I agree. We should also cancel all car shows after accidents and cancel air shows after crashes. It's only fair.

Absolute **.

"The Red Barn use to be a very family orientated bar." All the outrage over guns, but no one sees a problem with this? Yea, guns and alcohol don't mix (not that they were during this event), but neither do children and bars.

The owner also allows smoking in his bar, another violation of the law.

Out law evil not guns

I was at the show Saturday afternoon. There were a lot of people there (largely out of fear that "Oblama" and his fellow travellers will attempt to further restrict American citizens 2nd Amendment rights this year), but it was quiet and orderly. If the building capacity was exceeded, the deputy who initially checked out the show should have said something about that to the organizers.

I hope Geno's considers a fund drive to upgrade their liquor license to avoid the restrictions. Since shows would be acceptable with a higher class license, the only problem is not paying the city enough money.

The deputy did a walk through, and found NO issues relating to the complaint. It was NOT shut down at that time.

The bar owner gets a call at 12:01 am?

Was it another anonymous call, since the first attempt failed?

"The Red Barn use to be a very family orientated bar" that appears to have hosted this show for the last 40 years with no problems during that entire period of time.......

If in fact there was a capacity violation, I have no problem with Sunday being shut down.
All else is pure crap, and as usual most negative posters are totally uneducated on what really goes on at gun shows..
Will be an interesting law suit.

Capacity for the facility is clearly stated and if that many people were there it is against the law to go over and if alcohol is available during the show then it was a GOOD CALL to close it down. IMO it is pitiful after the loss of lives in gun violence, to even Host a gun show. The Red Barn use to be a very family orientated bar.

tiki - "just asking for it"? Has anyone heard of problems in the past? 40th annual seems like solid history of a great event without any issues. Anyway, the gun show was not in the bar, it was in an attached hall.

Tiki... If every bad idea was made illegal, most of society would be shut down.

This is nothing more than The loony left looking for a way to control guns.

Stupid and Rock county will be sued over this bone headed move. This show has been going on for 40 years, and there is no alcohol served during the gun show that I have seen. Sadly this is only in response to the shooting in CT and their local law enforcement trying to shut gun shows down.
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Besides merely having a gun in a bar is not illegal. You can Conceal carry there as long as the permit holder is not drinking alcohol (and the business has no sign saying no guns allowed), so why should simply buying a gun at a show be that much different?

Gun shows should be illegal. Any fire arm should require a waiting period & background check, even if sold by a private party.

Having a gun show at a bar is about the dumbest idea that I've ever heard of. Talk about just asking for it. Holy Cow! What is this, the 1800's?

It was a gun show where you could buy,sell and trade firearms not a alcoholic-shootout free-for-all. Cmon people.

Great job RCSD!! Alcohol and guns NOT GOOD MIX......