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Ruling leads to call for right to work in Wis.

By ASSOCIATED PRESS   Friday, January 18, 2013 - 7:57 p.m.
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MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A federal appeals court ruling upholding Wisconsin’s law effectively ending collective bargaining for public workers is leading to a call for the state to pass a right to work law.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday upheld the law passed in 2011, while other court challenges are pending.

Still, National Right to Work Foundation President Mark Mix says the ruling should motivate the Republican-controlled Legislature to pass a right to work law like was done in Michigan last month.

He says “No Wisconsin public worker should ever be forced to pay union dues or fees as a condition of employment.”

Gov. Scott Walker has said he won’t pursue right to work this year.




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TrueUnion94
Jan 19, 2013 at 9:51 p.m.
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Whz_bng, please tell me how right to work gives you the right to negotiate your own wages and benefits. Most companies have a set pay scale and benefits package. In a nonunion shop I've watched hardworking coworkers get over looked for promotions/new job because they didn't suck up to management. In a union shop it goes by seniority and best qualified. I've worked at both union and nonunion shops. The Union shop is much better.

rprp
Jan 19, 2013 at 7:06 p.m.
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I hope this happens.

pubsrus
Jan 19, 2013 at 6:28 p.m.
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Hey Whz_bng....that's exactly what I want to see happen in a union factory. Go in and negotiate your wages and benefits; by the time they are done with you, you will probably have to write the company a check they will screw over you so badly.

whz_bng
Jan 19, 2013 at 5:37 p.m.
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Trueunion, right to work also gives you the right to negotiate your own wages if you are an exceptional employee instead of watching dead beats getting paid the same as the go getter. If you are hard working it is a win win situation you never had as a union employee. Yes, the losers will be the whiners now.

concernedwi
Jan 19, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
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Petitioning the government, being allowed to protest is an fundamental right of our society and no one should be discouraged from speaking out if they feel they have something to say. The majority of our society have been on the wrong side of issues many times. If you want to disagree with what people are protesting that's one thing. To be against protesting is saying that people should not have a voice. Speak out even if no one is listening.

tikiman1
Jan 19, 2013 at 1:17 p.m.
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People will lose pay & the average family income will decrease even further away from the rate of inflation.

ohmygosh1000
Jan 19, 2013 at 1:13 p.m.
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Right to work is only about those in power wanting to remain in power and nothing more. It neuters the union funding mechanism, thus rendering them non-influential when it comes to election of the public servants. No money, no influence. Without campaign finance reform, and unless Citizens United is overturned, we'll be down to a one-party autocracy very soon.

TrueUnion94
Jan 19, 2013 at 1:10 p.m.
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lovemycountry- you have the *option* of applying for/taking a job at a union shop. No one is forcing you to. Why should people that don't pay dues get to seem benefits as members that pay dues? Oh that's right the law states that a union has to represent people that don't pay dues. I believe that only 7 percent of the private sector jobs are union. No one should have a problem finding a place to work that is not union.

lovemycountry
Jan 19, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.
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Janesvillean - my description of how the court defined a "right" came word for word directly from the court ruling.
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http://www.doj.state.wi.us/news/files/20...
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Further, as the Court explained in the ruling, “the State’s decision not to [allow payroll deduction of union dues] is not an abridgment
of the unions’ speech"

luvujvl
Jan 19, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
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"The term right-to-work law refers to a statute in the United States of America that prohibits union security agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring. "Right-to-work" laws do not, as the short phrase might suggest, aim to provide a general guarantee of employment to people seeking work, but rather are a government regulation of the contractual agreements between employers and labor unions that prevents them from excluding non-union workers,[1] or requiring employees to pay a fee to unions that have negotiated the labor contract the workers work under." (wikipedia) Giving unions the power to force workers to join is a scam backed by powerful interests who make profits when they pocket the workers' dues. If you're on that side, you're just a naive fool.

wislady
Jan 19, 2013 at noon
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"The "right to work", though, is not a real right -- it's a lie"

Unions no longer have "extortion rights".

janesvillean
Jan 19, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.
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lovemycountry, that isn't what the court said at all. They describe the bill of rights as limiting the powers of government. That makes as much sense as saying that a description of a cow helps you understand what a horse is.
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In effect this ruling was the adjudication between two conceptions of which powers the constitution limits.
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The Bill of Rights itself defines constitutional rights established by those amendments, and of course later amendments added still more constitutional rights. They have never been the only definition of "rights", though, because Congress and the President are free to establish rights under law (for example, the right to marry someone of a different race -- or the same gender), and by the very structure of the US Constitution states have their own constitutions and legislatures and powers to establish rights outside the federal definitions.
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Finally, none of these address the concept of rights that exist outside of law, which may be called moral or ethical rights. The right to privacy is one that is currently of much interest to many but very poorly (and inconsistently) defined in law.
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The "right to work", though, is not a real right -- it's a lie. It's the right to work for less money and fewer benefits. It's a scam backed by powerful interests who make profits when they pay workers less. If you're on that side, you're just a naive fool.

freedomfighter608
Jan 19, 2013 at 11:42 a.m.
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Right to work law also protects workers who are in unions to get out of their union and remain where they work, too.

Uncle_Jesse
Jan 19, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
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Macdaddy, The Majority was wrong .

lovemycountry
Jan 19, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.
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TrueUnion94 - you have the *option* of joining a club. You are not being *forced* to join a club. When you *choose* to join a club, part of joining is paying the membership fees to get the related benefits. If the club (or union) ends up providing some benefits for those that aren't paying membership dues, the club or union has to decide if they want to continue as an organization.

JohnWicket
Jan 19, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
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My ancestors came to this country as indentured servants. I wonder if 350 years of "progress" has returned their descendants to the same STATE of affairs in Wisconsin as they were in. Perhaps, we are just installing a new ruling class of manipulative monarchs to enslave our peoples. Why is it that so many citizens don't know that they are slaves in a cradle-to-grave economic system (trap) from which there is no escape? Where can we move to escape our situation, Russia, Great Britain, France, Germany, Greece? How much of the American Dream do you own?

Macdaddy
Jan 19, 2013 at 9:41 a.m.
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concernedwi: you do have the right, but so many felt like the majority of wisconsin was on their side wanting to protect union rights, but alas the recall election showed that the MAJORITY of wisconsin does not agree with you and therefore you have respect the MAJORITY because we live in a democracy.

I know I do not agree with our president but you don't see me organizing all my cronies to sit outside the White House beating our drums, holding signs, intimidating others and causing a nuisance. There are better ways to handle disagreements.

TrueUnion94
Jan 19, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.
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So can I join a country club, the Beloit rifle range or Sam's Club and not pay the membership fees/dues? Yet still get all the benefits that members receive?

WisconsinResident
Jan 19, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
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Well as an American an as a resident of Wisconsin. I want my Country back and My State back. You go ahead and pass a right to work law but you make a a law for non union as well as union workers. Everyone in this state that is a resident has a basic right to work and a basic right to fair treatment and equal pay. Don't just make it about the unions make it for every Wisconsin resident. Why because I believe the best social program is a job.

concernedwi
Jan 19, 2013 at 8:55 a.m.
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Love my country, also, being allowed to " creating mayhem at our capitol and around our state for over a year" by those recall liberal crazies is also a right. Why is exercising your 1st amendment rights such a bad thing that makes you crazy?

lovemycountry
Jan 19, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.
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For you liberal recall crazies that never quite grasped what a "right" is, creating mayhem at our capitol and around our state for over a year, the court also gave a detailed explanation of what, exactly constitutes a "right."
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"The Bill of Rights enshrines negative liberties. It directs what government may not do to its citizens, rather than what it must do for them," the decision reads. "While the First Amendment prohibits 'placing obstacles in the path' of speech, nothing requires government to 'assist others in funding the expression of particular ideas, including political ones,'

carlitosway
Jan 19, 2013 at 8:13 a.m.
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Hendricks and the rest of the Walker trash may get their wish. http://reason.com/archives/2012/05/22/sc...

carlitosway
Jan 19, 2013 at 8:07 a.m.
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Anyone making a fair wage, paid vacation time, a 40 hour work week and then paid overtime, safe working condition, pay equality and much more, That is what the UNIONS HAVE DONE FOR YOU. Now IMO this will come to an end as we know it and started before this court decision. There is no right to sue your employer in this State anymore and women do not have to be paid the same wage and can do nothing about it, Anyone that agrees with this court ruling May you reap the the rewards you will no longer have, and Woodsman great comment.

justasking
Jan 19, 2013 at 6:02 a.m.
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Have an idea that 10, 20, 50 years from now they will being forming and organizing like they did 50 years ago to get better wages and respect. I repeat my self and remind us that if you (we) continue to support OUR country by income tax and you (we) do not have good strong incomes the math says we will fail of course I am a product of the public education era and my math skills may be off.

Uncle_Jesse
Jan 19, 2013 at 3:44 a.m.
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Very Sad to live and work in at this point in time . only thing worse would be living 10 , 20 , 50 years from now , i just cant imagine .

hooters
Jan 18, 2013 at 11:15 p.m.
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I had once heard that you aren't required to join a union and pay dues in a closed shop..but that you have the alternative to have the dues amount deducted and donated to a charity of your choice instead. Never knew anyone who chose that option though....if it did exist. Not fair for a person to not pay union dues while reaping the benefits of union negotiated wages, benefits and working conditions.

woodsman
Jan 18, 2013 at 9:07 p.m.
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I like how these people know everything about UNIONS,when you belong to a UNION you are "ASKED" if you want to pay UNION DUES,if you decline,you do not lose your job,you just will have limited representation if you ever need it,GOD where do these people get there info from,you can tell the ones who writes these things up never worked for a UNION!!

luvujvl
Jan 18, 2013 at 8:57 p.m.
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What? Act 10 was upheld in Federal Appeals Court today? Details, please.

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