Gun advocates hold rally in Madison
MADISON — Wisconsin gun advocates joined nationwide rallies in support of gun rights.
The group Wisconsin Guns Across America held a peaceful rally Saturday outside the Capitol in Madison.
Capitol police spokeswoman Stephanie Marquis says an estimated 500 to 600 people showed up and there were no issues.
The Facebook page for the event called it a "peaceful picketing protest."
Pictures posted on the page showed people holding signs like "Know Guns Know Freedom."
The rally is one of many slated to take place on state capitols across the country thanks to a loosely organized campaign via social media. The rallies were sponsors by the Washington D.C.-based group Political Media.


Jan 21, 2013 at 11:29 p.m.
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Being out side the gun show is part of the gun show, at least when it comes to sensationalism.
Here is another story the left doesn't care about. A man killed at a car dealership, yep just like gun show, when he lost his life repairing a truck/trailer.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/balt...
Jan 21, 2013 at 9 a.m.
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http://theweek.com/article/index/239023/...
RAF, it was 5 people injured at 3 different shows. And I am not gleeful of the accidents nor am I gleeful of anyone who is injured or killed accidentally or intentionally by a gun. I was raised with guns, I respect guns, and I understand the safety that is required to handle and use a gun. What worries me is that a small number of people who aren't able to handle the responsibility can cause sever damage to innocent people. I do agree that the assault weapons portion of the suggestion is worthless. Background checks, registering guns, closing gun show loop holes, and limiting magazine capacity are all things that can make a difference on a daily basis. Will it stop mass murders? No, I will never claim it will. As long as we have crazy people and large crowds of people that gather for any reason, we unfortunately will have mass killings.
Jan 21, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.
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Lest we forget the relevant contribution provided by RetiredAirForce, 67.8% of homicides in 2011 were committed using firearms.
Jan 21, 2013 at 8:01 a.m.
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Claiming to have a position and displaying it would make you truthful...on the other hand being a liar has been your inclination for years why would this latest faux claim of "both" be any different.
Jan 21, 2013 at 7:56 a.m.
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There's that sense of entitlement again. Isn't a taxpayer funded military pension enough of an entitlement to satisfy that?
Jan 21, 2013 at 7:41 a.m.
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Please post any other comment(s) you made concerning other murders or loss of human life that did not involve a firearm in any of this websites comment sections or other on-line comment sections. Claiming to have a position never revealed before could be easy mistaken for just another lie...
Jan 21, 2013 at 7:27 a.m.
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My comment on January 20, 2013 at 7:03 a.m.:."I am pleased the effort to address this is not focused on "assault weapons" alone, but on guns, and access to them, in general."
The distinction over, and focus on, "assault weapons" seems to be something stuck in your craw, not mine, RetiredAirForce.
Jan 21, 2013 at 7:21 a.m.
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The following is some of the propaganda the low information populace (poo) see and run with;
"Handgun restriction is simply not viewed as a priority. Assault weapons ... are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."
http://www.vpc.org/studies/awaconc.htm
Jan 21, 2013 at 7:19 a.m.
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"What some people call "assault weapons" function like every other normal firearm—they fire only one bullet each time the trigger is pressed. Unlike automatics (machine guns), they do not fire continuously as long as the trigger is held. ... Today in America, most handguns are semi-automatics, as are many long guns, including the best-selling rifle today, the AR-15, the model used in the Newtown shooting. Some of these guns look like machine guns, but they do not function like machine guns."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...
Jan 21, 2013 at 7:10 a.m.
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Hmmm silence from the poo....just as I figured, another dose of misinformation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformat...
Jan 21, 2013 at 7:04 a.m.
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You seem to be feeling quite entitled this morning with your demands, RetiredAirForce. I trust you haven't suddenly forgotten how to Google your way to find comments. Hear from you soon, undoubtedly.
Jan 21, 2013 at 6:56 a.m.
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Hiding behind this title? Please post any other comment(s) you made concerning other murders or loss of human life that did not involve a firearm in any of this websites comment sections or other on-line comment sections. Claiming to have a position never revealed before could be easy mistaken for just another lie...
Jan 21, 2013 at 6:51 a.m.
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I am focused on firearms because this article is titled, "Gun advocates hold rally in Madison."
Everyone, including yourself, should be bothered by both the murders committed with firearms and firearms themselves after your data showing that over 2 of every 3 homicides are committed using firearms.
And let's not forget the incident you described where a firearms dealer, who apparently is not some untrained, unlicensed gun handler, discharged a firearm at a gun show, injuring another person. Had the "tool" been his hands and not a firearm, that incident would not have occurred. The tool makes a difference.
Jan 21, 2013 at 6:36 a.m.
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Both? If so why have you failed to discuss any of the other items used to commit homicides or accidental deaths? Why just so called assault guns and other firearms? More people die in this nation every year in vehicle accidents yet you are silent on stopping their use how do you justify your lack of a clear philosophy for this inconsistent position let alone the close to one million children killed every year through abortion?
Jan 21, 2013 at 6:28 a.m.
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It's both.
Jan 21, 2013 at 6:20 a.m.
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Is it the murders that bother you or the tool used....take your time and let everyone know exactly what your position is...if you can.
Jan 21, 2013 at 6:17 a.m.
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Let's not forget the data provided to us earlier by RetiredAirForce: 67.8% of homicides in 2011 were committed using firearms. Yet now, he seems suddenly unable to identify homicides committed using firearms.
Jan 21, 2013 at 5:09 a.m.
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I guess this case was also not important enough for the fringe...or was it they didn't read or hear about on their left wing news sites that told them to echo it...
Man choked, beat mother to death in North Richland Hills apartment
Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/01/18/...
Jan 21, 2013 at 5:06 a.m.
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Another murder the fringe is silent about...
Police have arrested a 25-year-old Billings man in connection with the weekend stabbing death of another man at a Fort Benton bar.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article...
Jan 21, 2013 at 5:05 a.m.
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Funny how the left fringe is silent on murders that don't fit the current meme of the day (that they echo)...
A 22-year-old Poughkeepsie woman is accused of stabbing her boyfriend to death in the couple's apartment.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article...
Jan 21, 2013 at 5:02 a.m.
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" described as an assault rifle ", that is relevant to you how exactly?
Is it the murders that bother you or the tool used....take your time and let everyone know exactly what your position is...if you can.
Jan 21, 2013 at 4:31 a.m.
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For those who want to read about the five injuries at the three gun shows, here is an article with a significant amount of detail: [ http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/19/us/north-c... ]
Jan 21, 2013 at 4:17 a.m.
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If you have some more time, read into this. "Each victim was shot multiple times, said Lt. Sid Covington of the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department, and one of the weapons used was what he described as an assault rifle." [ http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/20/justice/ne... ]
Five dead in Albuquerque shooting. Quite a horrific end to Gun Appreciation Day weekend.
Jan 21, 2013 at 3:30 a.m.
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I had some time to read into the "gleeful" postings of incidents at gun shows of shots being fired.
The real facts are always less dramatic and show the initial claims were wrong. There were incidents at two shows not three. The first incident involved an idiot not having his weapon safe before showing up and then it discharged when he removed it from the carrying case for the required safety inspection before entering. The second incident involved a gun dealer inspecting a weapon he purchased, also failing to fully safe the weapon (leaving one in the chamber after removing the mag). The reported third incident never happened at any gun show.
So as is normally the case with gleefulness from the left fringe the truth is always less jubilant for them.
Jan 21, 2013 at 2:52 a.m.
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Still waiting for a left fringe member to a have a consistent position on anything.
Jan 20, 2013 at 8:33 p.m.
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janesvillecomments said, "It's a shame that world history is an elective and not a requirement for anyone with voting rights in this country."
And not the American version of World History of which you are an apparent victim.
Jan 20, 2013 at 8:28 p.m.
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janesvillecomments - did you have these fears and thoughts when Bush was president and the Republican's contolled the house and the senate? Glenn Beck fan I bet....
Jan 20, 2013 at 8:17 p.m.
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It seems to me that a few of you are actually hoping for America to fall into the hands of a dictator. Are all the responsibilities and requirements of living in a free society so burdensome that you actually wish someone would come along and take away your freedoms? Do you crave the government having the power to totally control your lives from cradle to grave? Do you actively seek compulsory political education training, state-managed economies, forced labor markets, internal passports to control your travel, the denial of all of your constitutional rights?
Have you lived such sheltered lives that you will ignore reality in favor of someone who comes along and tells you "yes, we can, if only you give me total control, absolute power"? With freedom of speech suppressed, have you actually thought out how dull and pointless a Janesville Pravda Gazette blog would be?
It's a shame that world history is an elective and not a requirement for anyone with voting rights in this country.
Jan 20, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
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janesvillecomments - I stand by my premise. If you think that you and few of your buddies will stand up to modern military with your pretend assault rifles, I wish you luck in your dream world, because things won't go well for you in the real one. I think real bad things will happen.
Jan 20, 2013 at 4:21 p.m.
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janesvillecomments - your apparent paranoia and visions of heroically saving America from the some imagined internal invader may be grounds for making it illegal for you to own a firearm. Did you play Ralphie in the Christmas Story by any chance?
Jan 20, 2013 at 3:56 p.m.
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janesvillecomments said, "Benito Mussolini of Italy, Pol Pot of Cambodia, Mao Tze Tung of China, and Idi Amin of Uganda, among other heads of state, have used gun control to disarm their citizens before commencing historic atrocities."
America bucked that trend, janesvillecomments, having commenced historic atrocities before disarming citizens.
Jan 20, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
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wasp2491 - Both Joesph Stalin and Adolf Hitler disarmed their civilian populations. How'd that work out for the Russian and German citizen-serfs under their regimes? Benito Mussolini of Italy, Pol Pot of Cambodia, Mao Tze Tung of China, and Idi Amin of Uganda, among other heads of state, have used gun control to disarm their citizens before commencing historic atrocities. Fidel Castro of Cuba and Kim Jong Il of North Korea made lives miserable for millions and they enacted gun control laws to suppress their civilian populations.
The whole point of civilian ownership of assault rifles is that it keeps the government in check. The same cowards that won't vote on a balanced budget because they fear losing votes if they tell their constituents to stop sucking so hard on the government teat will not send in the army to herd armed civilians into "re-education centers", gulags, or gas chambers. It seems that "political power grows from the barrel of a gun" was ok for those dictators before they came into power, then it was "make guns illegal to save the children" time.
Many criminals use guns to gain control over unarmed victims. Many nut jobs seeking notoriety use guns to gain attention. Many politicians view disarming citizens will further their political goals. Seeing that more and more American politicians are mastering, oops, I mean "serving" in office longer than most feudal kings reigned over their fiefdoms, I don't want to give them any further license for controlling American citizens.
I don't assume that Barack Obama is dreaming of declaring himself King of America, so he will have something he considers substantive to include in his third autobiography, but just in case he ever does, I want him to know there may be a William Tell or a Patrick Henry still clinging to his gun and bible out here in the "flyover zone" that separates Washington D.C. and the Left Coast.
Benjamin Franklin once said "“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” If Americans let their 2nd Amendment rights be taken from them, they will surely lose their other rights. History has proven that over and over and over.
Jan 20, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
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Truth - " Your lack of knowledge is childish foolishness....Why do you think the only country Hitler with all his advanced military might wouldn't invade was Switzerland?
Hint: It wasn't because of a formal Swiss Military". Really! A very interesting understanding of history. Very humorous also. As someone that has some knowledge of WW2 history and some very close connections to Switzerland, I can tell you you are dead wrong. This is the kind of foolishness that exists only in the heads of those that are going to fight a modern army with deer rifles and pistols. Obviously a country that attacked the U.S.S.R. would have had little fear of the Swiss if it fit their needs.
Jan 20, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
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Look at poo gooooo http://www.demotivationalposters.net/fac...
Jan 20, 2013 at 10:54 a.m.
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No, RetiredAirForce, not in reference to the FBI numbers; in reference to your choice of numbers that you excluded. You know, the truth, the whole truth....
According to data provided by RetiredAirForce, 67.8% of homicides in 2011 were committed using firearms!
Jan 20, 2013 at 10:45 a.m.
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More of the poo shenanigans. First she says data provide by the FBI is wrong by saying, "Those wanting to be fooled by the incomplete numbers..." in reference to official released FBI data.
Now she is claiming "You attempted to substitute the number of murders with the total number of deaths in America", when that was never stated....just more lies and spin.
Now she claims that by her injecting numbers never needed it corrected some faux problem that never existed. All in the attempt to shy from the facts at hand...nothing from the signed orders would have done anything to change what happened at that school.
Sit and spin poo girl, sit and spin. All the while ignoring the outcomes by faux claims of wanting to reduce deaths by ignoring the leading child causes of death in this nation.
Jan 20, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
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RetiredAirForce, I never said your numbers were incorrect. I said your numbers were incomplete. And they were. You attempted to substitute the number of murders with the total number of deaths in America, thereby significantly reducing the percentage of deaths caused by firearms. By completing your data with the inclusion of the total number of murders, and showing the percentage of murders that were committed using firearms, the problem was brought into very clear perspective.
The data table you finally cited included total number of homicides, but you chose to not include that in your comment. But now that we have that data, we know from your sources that 67.8% of homicides in 2011 were committed using firearms.
67.8% of homicides in 2011 were committed using firearms! That deserves being repeated.
Jan 20, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.
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"Thank you for providing this source and further support for the efforts to control access to all guns."
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Just like Chicago has....oh yeah what are the results of that failed policy again?
If the lefts claim of "more" controlled access were a success why is it in every large city/county in this country this policy has been tried it has resulted in the opposite happening....oh never mind just like the failures of socialism with the prescription blinders the results of these failed policies are out of view from the same folks that peddle it.
Jan 20, 2013 at 10:19 a.m.
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Lets look at poo's previous misinformation (lie), "Those wanting to be fooled by the incomplete numbers..."
In fact the numbers I provided are directly from the FBI. Your attempt label them as incomplete is just another in a long history of twisting and spinning that has nothing to do with the facts at hand....mine were and are accurate and your attempt to say otherwise was and is a lie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Inte...)
Jan 20, 2013 at 10:10 a.m.
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RetiredAirForce, the FBI table you cited [ http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri... ] does not include non-negligent manslaughter which accounts for the fewer murders than the FBI data I had cited which does include non-negligent manslaughter.
Let's go with your data and exclude non-negligent manslaughter. 8,583 murders by firearms and 12,664 homicides total in 2011 according to the table you cited above. That is 8,583 / 12,664 or 67.8% of homicides were committed using firearms in 2011.
Thank you for providing this source and further support for the efforts to control access to all guns. Think about it...67.8% of homicides were committed using firearms in 2011.
Jan 20, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
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RetiredAirForce said, "Typical poo...always spouting incorrect information. From the FBI, 2011 8,583 murders by firearms. So sad how the left fringe spins and twists."
RetiredAirForce, one number I "spouted" is the number you so conveniently forgot to include -- the total number of murders in 2011. That number, according to the FBI, as I cited, was 14,478. The other number I "spouted" is the same number that you "spouted." 8,583 murders by firearms in 2011.
8,583 / 14,478 = 59.2% of all murders were committed using firearms in 2011.
You need to read and "spout" and more carefully.
Jan 20, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
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concerned there are many stupid laws on the books, including most drug laws. We need laws to protect people from others not people from themselves. Murder is already illegal as is the other more than 39 crimes the creep did in the Newtown. Pretending adding another law will suddenly stop the problem is simplistic. The problem has never been the tools used it has always been the person doing the action combined with intent. There are millions of gun owners in this nation that follow the law and never commit murder. This combined with the supreme court ruling that police are not liable for your protection causes a very needed question. How does removing a defensive tool from those wanting to protect themselves solve another person from doing what happened at Newtown?
Jan 20, 2013 at 8:51 a.m.
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RAF, so since criminals are going to break laws, let's just get rid of them all. People still use meth, why not legalize it and allow people to cook it in their own houses. We have laws to deter people from a behavior and to punish people who break the laws.
Jan 20, 2013 at 8:29 a.m.
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info for poo to ignore some more http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...
Jan 20, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.
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Sadly the left fringe wants to focus the gun argument based on design. The reason for this is easy, they have no consistency. They ignore outcomes like that from accidents and abortions with a blinder view on design of the tool used. This hypocritical view is further exposed when shown that knives are used more than three times as much in this country to commit murder than EVIL assault guns (regular guns that look scary); yet they remain silent on wanting to ban knives....hmmm wonder why.
Expecting the left fringe to have a constant philosophy on any position is the same expectation of finding unicorns.
Jan 20, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.
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Wasp if murder is already against the law please explain how banning something used to murder will stop it from happening. HINT: guns are banned from being owned in Chicago but it has a terrible murder rate by guns...using your logic this is impossible.
Jan 20, 2013 at 8:15 a.m.
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Typical poo...always spouting incorrect information.
From the FBI, 2011 8,583 murders by firearms.
So sad how the left fringe spins and twists.
Jan 20, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
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From several different polls the NRA rankings:
PPP: 41% post press conference
Washington post/ABC: 36%
Wall Street Journal/NBC: 41%
Gallup: 54%
Rassussen: 54%http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/276327-poll-nras-popularity-dropping
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/17...
http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-appro...
Jan 20, 2013 at 8:10 a.m.
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Looks to me like some of these people out here are dreaming of a life style like Syria has...with no cause to base it on like in Syria has. We are about to start a second term of a president that was twice elected by more than a 50% majority....and the right cannot deal with it so they gin up tough guy talk. Where were all of you super patriots when we were having trouble getting enlistments during the Iraq War. Seems to me like this would have been heaven on earth for you. Shooting high powered weapons and getting paid for it!
Jan 20, 2013 at 7:16 a.m.
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wasp - Your lack of knowledge is childish foolishness....Why do you think the only country Hitler with all his advanced military might wouldn't invade was Switzerland?
Hint: It wasn't because of a formal Swiss Military.
Jan 20, 2013 at 7:10 a.m.
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It's awfully odd that when something bad happens from the illegal use of motor vehicles it's called an "accident" but when something bad happens from the illegal use of anything else it's called something other than an "accident"...Something is greatly amiss there.
Jan 20, 2013 at 7:06 a.m.
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As a gun owner myself, I am embarrassed to see the progun arguments on this site. RAF- I guess we could have saved 8,583 people by banning guns. Some of you folks are going to take on a standing army... just childish foolishness. You have No idea what would happen to you. Just sad!
Jan 20, 2013 at 7:03 a.m.
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Killing and maiming people by reckless and intoxicated use of motor vehicles are NOT "ACCIDENTS"...When are the morons going to stop using that word when these incidents take place?????
Jan 20, 2013 at 7:03 a.m.
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Those wanting to be fooled by the incomplete numbers in RetiredAirForce's comment may want to look away. "The FBI did not provide a specific count for the number of murders and non-negligent manslaughters, but said the 2011 figure declined by 1.9 percent from the 14,748 recorded across the country in 2010." [ http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/1... ]
That means there were approximately 14,478 murders in 2011. There are discrepancies in the number of murders provided by various agencies, but I have provided the source for the number I have used. If you accept RetiredAirForce's number of 8,583 murders by firearms, that means over 59% of all murders in 2011 were committed with firearms.
I am pleased the effort to address this is not focused on "assault weapons" alone, but on guns, and access to them, in general.
Jan 20, 2013 at 5:26 a.m.
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Reality number time, fair warning to the left fringe you might want to look away.....
In 2011 there were 2,513,171 overall deaths
In 2011 there were 8,583 murders by firearms
Of that number 323 were rifles; category for "assault weapons" and hunting rifles.
There were 726 murders that the weapon used was hands, feet, and fists....Yep over 2 times of rifles.
There were 1,694 murders by knives and/or cutting instruments...over twice that of fists, feet, and hands.
So glad the "laser" focus, assault weapons, will solve the problem of murders....hint: sarcasm intended.
Jan 20, 2013 at 5:14 a.m.
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gwendt - "-WELL, the government has tanks, bazookas, bombers, 1 1/2 mile accurate snipers, numbering in the millions !"
King George had a vastly superior army and navy at his disposal and lost his Royal control over America to colonial rebels armed largely with just the modern rifles of that era. Half of His Royal Highness Barack Obama's forces consist of National Guard units. He doesn't have a Foreign Legion or Hessian Mercenaries to attack American civilians with (unless you count non-US United Nations forces). Do you think the U.S. Army is going to attack Janesville with tanks if it joins a nation-wide rebellion against obeying one of King Barack's executive orders to disarm the civilian population, or do you think he'll order a flight of B-1 bombers to nuke us?
Even if the U.S. military has no qualms about conducting warfare against U.S. citizens, how long do you think they will continue to serve once their paychecks start to bounce? Because, I have to tell you, if I've got to prepare to stop a division of Abrams tanks coming up the Interstate to invade Janesville with my little old assault rifle, I'm not gonna have time to fill out my 1040A and send a check off to the IRS.
Jan 19, 2013 at 11:11 p.m.
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thatwaseasy said, "I'll be fair on this. Checking RCP polls to average ALL polls out there this week."
Using Real Clear Politics to be "fair." That's a joke, right? Even the conservative Breitbart.com has criticized the gaming of Real Clear Politics poll averages with their, "Media Polls Are Warping RealClearPolitics Poll Average."
Jan 19, 2013 at 10:50 p.m.
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I'll be fair on this. Checking RCP polls to average ALL polls out there this week.
Real Clear Politic Average of all poll numbers
51.8 approve 43.3 disapprove
NRA is 53%, simple math my dear
The NRA is more popular then Obummer.
Even at only 51%, how in the heck do you think you have the backing support to put yourself in the King's clothes?
ONLY a narcissistic does, that's who.
For crying out loud, Gov Walker has better approval ratings at 52.5%
Jan 19, 2013 at 10:40 p.m.
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Jan 19, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
Obama's approval rating is 52% as of January 9th.
New poll release is down to 49%. Down from 53% which is where you start from his election victory. 53% is hardly the 69% he had 4 years ago or 73% this time four years ago on Jan. 20.
The NRA is 53% approval. Simple math my dear.
The NRA is more popular then Obama!
Jan 19, 2013 at 10:35 p.m.
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raystone said, "If the AP says the attendance was 500-600 for a firearms rally, then the actual headcount was likely closer to 5000-6000."
And when they say 5 people were accidentally shot in 3 gun show incidents today, perhaps you imagine the actual number was likely closer to 50 people accidentally shot in 30 gun show incidents today.
Jan 19, 2013 at 10:29 p.m.
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If the AP says the attendance was 500-600 for a firearms rally, then the actual headcount was likely closer to 5000-6000.
Jan 19, 2013 at 10:23 p.m.
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Eksreigh - I am sorry to hear of your loss!
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Cars are however very regulated. Each has a VIN that is tracked. We need to have a lisence , insurance, registration, etc. I would be in favor of having that same control on guns as we do cars.
Jan 19, 2013 at 9:29 p.m.
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Eksreigh said, "Shouldn’t we sacrifice our car-centric lifestyle for the sake of our children?"
Yes, we should be willing to move away from our car-centric lifestyle to one with a high walkability index and utilization of mass transit. However, the primary purpose of cars is to provide a mode of transportation; a car's primary purpose is not to kill people or animals. The same can not be said of guns.
Jan 19, 2013 at 9:28 p.m.
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Eksreigh - I am very sorry about the loss of your cousin in an accident.
May I ask you a question on how you are drawing an equivalency between auto accident deaths vs. gun deaths? Is it by the number of shots in total fired in a year divided by the number of gun owners? And does this then compare to the approximately 3 Trillion miles driven in a year multiplied by the average number of people in a vehicle then divided by the number of auto owners in the US? I am having trouble understanding the equivalency of an auto that is designed for transportation (and frequently recalled if there is a safety problem discovered) vs. a gun that is a tool specifically designed to kill.
Jan 19, 2013 at 9:06 p.m.
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My cousin died in a head-on car accident several years ago. (Really.) If cars had been outlawed, my cousin would probably still be alive today.
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A car being driven by an insane person can be just as dangerous as a gun being fired by an insane person. Certainly, a car driven into a crowd of people can easily injure or kill dozens of people simultaneously, while a gun typically requires a pull of the trigger for each bullet being fired. There are about twice as many cars in this country as there are guns.
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See the following articles describing cars driven into crowds of people.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Rus...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_attack...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=98d_13565...
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Cars are clearly more dangerous than guns, and cars aren’t even mentioned as a right in any of our country’s founding documents. If even a single life could be saved by outlawing cars, shouldn’t we make the effort to try to stop these horrible tragedies? Shouldn’t we sacrifice our car-centric lifestyle for the sake of our children?
Jan 19, 2013 at 9:06 p.m.
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Wislady, what proof do you have that people that protest against walker are in attendance today? What was the total turn out versus the hundreds of thousands that turned out last year. As for something all people can agree on, there is a great divide in people's feelings on guns, this is yet another issue that divides people.
Jan 19, 2013 at 8:56 p.m.
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- The US has 5% of the world’s population and 35-50% of the total guns
- About 70% of the homicides in the US are committed with guns
- We currently have 89 guns per 100 citizens in the US
- We have a homicide rate that his 4X higher that any other industrialized country
Automobiles are not designed to be weapons unless you include tanks which I don't see too many of on the used tank lots.
Jan 19, 2013 at 8:49 p.m.
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"As gun rights activists celebrated the turnout at gun shows for national Gun Appreciation Day Saturday, police responded to at least thee accidental shootings that left five people injured at shows across the country.
In Indianapolis, a man shot himself when his gun went off outside a gun show.
In Raleigh, N.C., three people were injured when a shotgun went off at a gun show there.
In Ohio, a dealer at a gun show accidentally fired a gun, injuring one." [ http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/en... ]
Jan 19, 2013 at 8:09 p.m.
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carlitosway
Pew has the rating at 52%
Rasmussen has 54% (32% of the voters are Republicans, while 38% Democrats)
50 percent.. NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
His poll numbers are dropping.
You seem to forget, Congress is made up of democrats and republicans.
poobah
Careless handling of guns, no excuse. If you have guns, you should take the time to learn how to handle them, and know the safety rules.
It was a nice day for a ride in my "Assault Car", though.
Jan 19, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
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the best cartoon i seen so far tells us these "gun nuts" NEED to have assault weapons to keep the government from taking their freedom --------WELL, the government has tanks, bazookas, bombers, 1 1/2 mile accurate snipers, numbering in the millions !!!!
Jan 19, 2013 at 7:43 p.m.
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Look no further than Fulton's Allen & Kathy Falk, their experience is horrifying.
Jan 19, 2013 at 7:37 p.m.
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"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender ones self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." ~ Michael Rivero
Jan 19, 2013 at 7:34 p.m.
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How many accidents happen at race tracks? and the party continues on.......
Jan 19, 2013 at 7:32 p.m.
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"Accidental gunfire at three gun shows around the United States on Saturday left five injured, authorities said." [ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio... ]
Jan 19, 2013 at 7:15 p.m.
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And these that are standing up against the gun safety laws, will be allowed to, Unlike the ones standing up for their Families and Jobs. LISTEN YOU THAT DO NOT KNOW THE TRUTH!!!! THEY ARE NOT TAKING YOUR RIGHTS, THEY ARE NOT TAKING YOU GUNS, THEY ARE WANTING THE LAWS THAT ALREADY EXIST PUT BACK TO ACTIVE STATUS... ASSAULT WEAPONS DO NOT NEED TO BE IN THE STREETS FOR ANY REASON!!!! IF GUNS DO NOT KILL, TRY SENDING OUR MILITARY INTO WAR WITHOUT ONE? Think about that...
Jan 19, 2013 at 7:07 p.m.
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 54% of Likely U.S. Voters at least somewhat approve of President Obama's job performance. Forty-five percent (45%) at least somewhat disapprove
Pew found Mr. Obama with personal favorability ratings of 59 percent and higher percentages of people viewing him as a "strong leader, able to get things done and as someone who stands up for his beliefs." Wislady PLEASEEEEE! The only 2 that have Our Great President, below 50% is Gallop and of course Fox for Idiots,,, Here is one for you wislady and the ones you support!!! The percentage of Americans who disapprove of Congress — 82 percent — is the highest for a new Congress since The Times and CBS News began asking the question regularly two decades ago. While neither party in Congress gets high marks, the public is far more negative toward Republican lawmakers.
Jan 19, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
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truth1 - I am happy you are happy with your guns. I just hate the things that are designed to kill. As you stated cars kill people too. Hwever they are not designed as killing machines like guns are. That is the purpose of guns, to kill. Drunk drivers behind the wheel of a car is a killing machine and should be locked up.
Jan 19, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
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Gallup TODAY...Obama approval rating dropping to 49%, compared to 69% this time after his first coronation.
As far as the rally today, most every political leaning was represented. Many of the people who have been protesting for the past two years against Walker and Act 10, were in attendance today in support of gun rights. Finally, something people from most all parties can agree on.
Jan 19, 2013 at 6:29 p.m.
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old badger- I am anti motor vehicle violence...I believe it should be illegal for anyone to own anything capable of going faster than 70mph and anyone convicted of drunk or reckless driving loses their license permanently and cannot drive under threat of life in prison ......Not really, but it makes just as much sense.
Jan 19, 2013 at 6:20 p.m.
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I am anti gun. I believe the only guns that people, other than law enforcement should have, is muzzle loaders. Even with that said, I am glad that these people are at the capital standing up for what they believe in.
Jan 19, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
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Obama's approval rating is 52% as of January 9th. Are you spreading false information or purpose or are you getting your news from internet memes? Shouldn't all of the people that were critical of the protesters last winter and spring be calling out the gun supporters? I am not anti-gun but I do support gun control measures and I support these people's right to protest.
Jan 19, 2013 at 5:30 p.m.
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Gun Control = More Crime
Jan 19, 2013 at 5:11 p.m.
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I love the NRA is has higher approval ratings then Obama who is still under 50%. How did that man get elected (cough)(fraud) again?
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