Let's see, no unions, concealed weapons. What
do we have to do now, marry our cousins?

Thanks, janesvillecomments.

The editorial board came out and said C.C. is long overdue in Wisconsin. Since this is such a good idea, is the Gazette going to allow conceal carry on its property?

Look in the public record for today and the first line is an arrest made for receiving stolen property, felony theft, and CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON. But wait that cannot be, WI does not have a law that allows for CC. This goes to show that CC is already around us but is being used by those who disregard the law. The change that this law will bring is that for those of us who respect the law also would like to be able to CC because only those who disregard the law can currently.

freedomfighter608, i agree with you about abuse victims. Even if a psychologist or psychiatrist could make a case for specific individual victims being too traumatized by their abuser to use a firearm to defend themselves against an attack by the abuser that caused them to move into a shelter, let's not forget the shelter workers. They have the constant threat of visitation by violent offenders who have proven they don't care about restraining orders.

I'm sorry if it further traumatizes an abuse victim to see their abuser get shot until they drop, but there is no moral need for the shelter workers to suffer broken limbs, concussions, vision damage, burns, internal bleeding, etc., if the abusers track their victims to a shelter and decide to try using violence to persuade them to leave.

As far as churches posting no guns signs, the New Life Church in Colorado Springs had posted armed guards, from among their parishioners, as lookouts after an attack on an area church in 2007. The defensive action of one lookout wound up stopping an assault on their church.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorad...

This has been beat to death already.....
Concealed carry is NOT a bad thing...
and most all who fear it don't understand it.
Any business, such as a restaurant, car wash, grocery store, Church, tavern, etc. that is afraid of it only needs to post a sign on their entrance stating "No Firearms Allowed" and it is done...
As stated before, I have lived in other states that allow it. Not a problem at all....

I forgot to add that abusive victim groups have a long history of promoting the false protection of the restraining order. Why do they still convince and promote the idea of victims to remain unarmed, and get that worthless piece of paper that is almost always violated?

rimmer, the cc bill that passed also has the Castle Doctrine in it. To others, I have been carrying concealed for a long time, and I have not punished nor gotten my emotions the best of me. My weapon of choice up to now, is the pocket knife.

Don't need to carry a gun. My rottweiler could disarm you before you got it out of the holster.

greenst, If George Washington could have shown the British the degenerate mess that has run Washington the last two decades, the British would have left in disgust. The technology level of firearms is as irrelevant as the fact that you are using a computer to post your opinion on a web site anyone in the world can read. John Hancock didn't affix his sig file to the Declaration of Independence, Paul Revere didn't tweet @to_arms, and Thomas Jefferson didn't use an iPad.

Too bad Washington didn't have a Glock. He might have reversed a few battles by charging the British, holding and firing the Glock sideways - Steven Seagal style.

Paramecium-"George Washington did not defeat the British with his freedom of speech. He shot them."

I'm fine with that logic. If you want to hide a 9 pound, 5 feet long , single shot mususket in your coat go ahead. He did not have a Glock with a 33 round magazine.

Thanks for the links.

armancay, Nathuram Godse did not have a concealed carry permit for the gun he used to shoot Ghandi, so he was a criminal even before his murdered Ghandi.

Perhaps if Ghandi had had a concealed carry permit and carried a weapon to defend himself with, he might have died of old age.

skinnypuppy, some study results for you:

The mother lode of objective gun studies and evaluations:
http://www.gunfacts.info/
the link to the latest pdf copy is http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/...

Murder and assault went down in Utah
http://utahshootingsports.com/usscstudy....

A little humor in the next link:
Concealed carry is safer than light rail ("green" transportation) in Minnesota
http://www.looktruenorth.com/liberty/rig...

NVgrf, or the value of concealed carry if you can't take your pistol to work to protect yourself from the crazy former co-worker that decides to show up at your job and cap the supervisor who fired him and as many former co-workers he thinks were responsible for losing his job, or the lunatic whom one of your co-workers refuses to date who comes in to kill her and anyone else in the vicinity? And since you mentioned union thugs (a phrase that long since become tiresome) let's include company goons to be fair and balanced.

Wisconsin joins such "Wild West" communities as Vermont, North Carolina, and Ohio, all of whom haven't experienced the dire shooting outrages opponents predicted. Why is exercising the franchise in greater numbers held up as a wonderful exercise in democracy, while exercising 2nd Amendment rights is "a return to the days of lawlessness?"

Gandhi defeated the British and never fired a shot and was in fact murdered by someone with a concealed weapon.

What's the value of concealed carry if you can't carry one into school to protect our kids from those union thug teachers?

That lesson must come from the Sarah Palin School of American History.

George Washington did not defeat the British with his freedom of speech. He shot them.

Out of curiosity: Do the other 48 states with c&c have lower crime rates per capita than WI? Did the crime rate go down in those states within a year or two of passing c&c? Any/how many incidents where c&c gun was taken from law-abiding citizen by criminal and used against carrier? I don't mind the c&c law and understand the issue of constitutional rights; I just don't see a personal need to carry a gun on my person when I am at the Janesville Mall, Target, or the 4-H fair. In fact, it almost seems absurd to imagine people feeling the need to "pack heat" on the merry-go-round and while at the baby duck slide. :)

South Beloit had better brace for the rush of Madison, Janesville, and Beloit concealed carry violence refugees such as the mob that hit La Crosse when Minnesota passed their concealed carry law.

What's that you say...? There was no panicky rush by Minnesotans crowding the bridges over the Mississippi to avoid the gunfire? Well, surely Platteville and Prairie Du Chien are still overcrowded with former Iowans cowering from all the concealed carry wildfire occurring in Dubuque.

No? Puzzling... how about Marinette? Were people swimming across the river to get out of the Upper Peninsula when Michigan enacted their concealed carry law? Did people cling piteously to the gunwales of the Muskegon ferry each time it made a run to Milwaukee, hoping to catch a glimpse of gun-free South Shore Park and safety?

All those philosophically opposed to concealed carry, please raise your hands... and then head due South.

jpm84092--You left me with no points to make, except in your predictions: there will be a significant decrease in the violent crime rate, which will drive liberals nuts trying to rationalize away!

If a criminal dose not know if their victim has a gun, even those not carrying will be safer.

This isn't the country I grew up in anymore. We didn't have the need for "shot spotters" in Beloit in the 1950's. I felt safe a kid walking anyway and our school took walking trips in the neighborhood.

I was raised and attended High School (Craig) in Janesville. I am now a Utah resident with a Utah Concealed Firearms Permit. The laws here are much less strict than the WI Bill would allow (we in UT can carry inside a school building) and there have been NO INCIDENTS. What concealed carry laws do is create a cohort of super law-abiding citizens. You can tell who we are in UT. We do not violate the speed limit as those around us zoom by us. We do not jay-walk. We go to the Motel 6 if there are harsh words with the spouse.We do not do anything at all that might be considered illegal. AND, my new State of residence is proof that an armed society is a polite society.

As a former citizen of Wisconsin, I understand that since WI has no experience what-so-ever with concealed carry by law abiding citizens, all the fuss by liberals is understandable. The experiences of the other 48 States that issue permits means nothing to them. But, I predict that 5 years from now the current fuss will draw a yawn from the ordinary Wisconsin citizen.

But, I have a prediction. That prediction is that several career criminals in Wisconsin and likewise some gang-bangers, particularly in Milwaukee, will soon move to Chicago where they can once again prey on an unarmed population.

In my lifetime I have never said to myself, boy I wish I had a gun right now. Or, if someone had a gun on them that would not of happened.

This law will not change a thing except now some law abiding citizen will now have the chance to let thier emotions get the best of them and it ruin a couple of lives.

A year from now we will ask ourselves "what was all the fuss about?". This law only applies to law abiding citizens. Criminals have always had Concealed Carry so they could care less about the law. The requirement for training and permits may result in a marginal improvement in personal responsibility. Increased personal responsibility just might save a life sometime.

Well, if 48 states have it, we should have it too.
After all, that is what state's rights are all about.
Everybody adopts the same laws. ;-)
What was that your mother used to ask about if your friends all jumped off a cliff?