Woodsman001 – I would like to know the law you keep touting as bible and verse we all should follow.

Without that no one should believe you more than they do me. If someone goes and kills something because hey the guy on the internet said I could because it is the law, is going to be a sad day.

Your list of invasive species:

http://www.issg.org/database/species/sea...

98. Red ear slider - Can go buy at almost any pet store

91. * Feral pigs – The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources has adopted the position that feral pigs are exotic, non-native wild animals that pose significant threats to both the environment and to agricultural operations. The Department promotes aggressive removal anywhere feral pigs are reported.

http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/wildlife/publ...

85. * Gray Squirrels - small game license

80. Rat - Obtain a trap, and remove.

79. * American Bull frog – Just included to show this list is misleading. Farmed and hunted

67. * Rabbit - small game license

58. Mouse - Obtain a trap, and remove.

38. Cat - ????

22. * Red Deer – Game License

17. * Goat – Farmed and hunted.

Why are you railing against people who are trying to solve the problem with cats and manage them at the opposite spectrum of you. Ask your community leaders who are saying they are going to do nothing with cats, they don’t have too. Someone wake up to these problems. Why is there no one taking responsibility here? Those that do are chastised and or persecuted. It will take a community to stand together and find a multi-pronged approach. Yet we are still stuck in the hot potato politics of “Not Me, You”

DOMESTICATED Goat species are not allowed to roam free and decimate all native habitat. Nor is ANY other domesticated species allowed to do this.

If the owner cannot be located in a timely and cost-effective manner THEY ARE DESTROYED. Why do you think cats are exempt from the manner in which ALL other domesticated animal species are treated? Get your head out of your a**.

If cats provided meat for dinner tables or fibers for the textile industry, or any other REQUIRED need of humans, AND were kept in confined pens or in controlled grazing areas and NOT allowed to destroy all native wildlife (cats having the largest prey-base of any predator on earth, destroying not only all the NATIVE prey but all the NATIVE predators that those animals depend on), then perhaps they would be allowed as a RANCHED animal. Where they can EASILY BE DESTROYED IF NEEDED just like any other livestock that is found to harbor some new disease. Or like minks are kept confined in cages so they can be skinned for their furs. Or gutted and dressed for the "feline" section of your local butcher's shelves. Right alongside the poultry, pork, and beef sections.

UNTIL THAT TIME, and failing that, THESE HIGHLY DESTRUCTIVE DEADLY-DISEASE-SPREADING INVASIVE-SPECIES MUST BE DESTROYED ON-SIGHT IF FOUND ROAMING FREELY IN NATURE.

Woodsman001 - can you give reference to the LAW? I have not been able to find it.

ALL cats away from safe-confinement and out in non-native habitat must be destroyed on-sight -- BY LAW.

It wasn't until on advice of the sheriff to just shoot ALL cats was the problem finally resolved.

Side note Goats are #17 on the list.

Anon22: Thanks for bringing some rational and moderate thinking to this "discussion". As you state, there are numerous factors at work in this scenario. But when people get tunnel vision, for whatever reason, it is very difficult to have an open-minded and decent conversation about any topic.

Anon22,

Cats are ALSO a human-caused factor. Do we stop getting rid of cats until all the other human-caused factors are also stopped?

Besides, it doesn't matter if even ONE native animal is killed by a cat. If just ONE native animal life is taken by just ONE invasive species cat, that's one native animal life too many and one cat life too many. Cats are in the TOP 40 WORST INVASIVE SPECIES OF THE WORLD, as clearly listed in the Global Invasive-Species Database. ALL cats away from safe-confinement and out in non-native habitat must be destroyed on-sight -- BY LAW. This is precisely how they are treated on my land.

This isn't rocket-surgery folks! Grow a spine and a brain. Do what MUST be done.

To the staff with the emotional development of a 5-year-old .... rats are kept as beloved pets. Do we treat feral rats differently because they are also kept as pets?

Grow up.

However, there is doubt as to the extent to which cats have caused the decline in songbird numbers. The National Audubon Society reports that human-caused factors, such as habitat destruction, pollution, and collisions with buildings, are the primary causes of songbird decline.

http://www.portlandtribune.com/opinion/p...

And there's not ONE THING they can do about it if you do it right. They'll no longer have any part of your life. GAME OVER.

Woodsman001 you are at one end of the extreme end of reasoning with this, If it can be called reasoning. You end your argument with your weakest link, and my strongest argument.

They won't do it right, and how is this ever considered a game.

Excerpts from my usual last post titled:

Moral of the Story

I wasted 15 YEARS of my life being "nice" when trying to reason with demented cat-lovers. During which time THEIR _INVASIVE_SPECIES_ CATS DESTROYED ALL NATIVE WILDLIFE ON MY LAND. All native prey became tortured cats' play-toys, all native predators STARVED TO DEATH. Those that became neither died of cats' diseases that cats spread everywhere.

Being "nice" about this is what caused this ecological disaster. The time for being "nice" to cats and cat-lovers is OVER. DONE. FINISHED. They had their chance to learn how to be respectful and responsible pet-owners. Isn't that just too bad if any that they let roam free get destroyed on-sight now. They're clearly proving that those pets are expendable by letting them roam free. They really don't care about them at all. They'd rather see them get ran over by cars or dying from any environmental poisons, or they'd keep them safe from all harm to begin with if they really cared about their cats.

This will never be solved by being "nice" to ANY of them. Nature does not survive on being "nice". They and their cats have absolutely ZERO respect for all other life on this planet and deserve the exact same amount of respect in return -- NONE.

It wasn't until I STOPPED trying to reason with cat-lovers, and on advice of the sheriff, finally did what needed to be done -- SHOOT ALL CATS -- that my land, all the wildlife on my land, and my life itself started to return to normal. I no longer have to go out twice a day on cat-patrol to shoot more cats nor waste more time and energy burying them to protect wildlife from the diseases they carry.

Learn from this. You can argue with the Toxoplasmosis parasites in the cat-lovers' brains until you are blue in the face and your whole planet is destroyed by their cats, but it'll never get rid of the cats that have destroyed your life and all the native wildlife.

Only later, AFTER your land and life are 100% free of these invasive-species cats, can you have fun trying to educate the ineducable. Use the time you got back from their invasive-species pets taking over your life to share the best ways to destroy all cats. Then if you want, make YOUR life THEIR problem. Just as they made THEIR cats YOUR problem for all these many years. It's only fair! Because that's what it's really all about, isn't it. It's not about cats at all. They only want to control your life with their cats by using their manipulative and underhanded self-victimization tactics. You can put a stop to that immediately by destroying their cats. And there's not ONE THING they can do about it if you do it right. They'll no longer have any part of your life. GAME OVER

Gee, all I did was ask a question. But, hey, thank-you both for your kind replies. They are greatly appreciated and far more revealing and informative than I anticipated.
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BTW, no degrading name calling here, Shopiere. That's all covered in your buddy's post, not mine. Guess you failed to notice that?

jstwndrn, I don't have a lot to add to Woodsman001s answer to you. He covered it accurately in all aspects.

You obviously think that the American Indian sprouted from the soil in North America. His people came here from another continent also, this being Asia.

This is what the species Homo Sapiens does and has done forever, he wanders the Earth and populates it here and there. I am not sure why you want to inject race into this equation. I suppose you have learned that it will help you to subvert the original conversation into something that you can throw cheap, moronic names at people and walk away with your nose in the air, thinking you have won something.

Woodsman & Shopiere: Both your comments got me thinking about other non-native, disease-spreading, highly-destructive species. So, just wondering...what do you think about the influence on native peoples, wildlife and the land due to the introduction of the white man to the continent we now know as North America?

frogger, The family of 5 opossum (2 adults 3 kits) had been regular visitors to my wildlife feeding area. They took up residence that winter next to the house, under some tarp-covered leaves. (I insulate water-lines for winter.) I had seen them grow from a 2 to 5 in the 3 years that I was feeding them my own formula of wildlife food (a sturdy protein-laced cake that can withstand raccoon washing). One of the last cats I shot was an all-gray one that winter. (Running at full tilt about 80yds. away in the dead of the night. Found it the next morning not 2 ft. from where I had aimed into the pitch-dark. The only light from the laser-sight bouncing off the snow. It must have dropped in mid-bound. This is when I realized what a marksman these cats had made of me.)

The ground was frozen (no burying) so I thought I'd try again to get some wildlife to eat "cat". I put the cat next to the opossum's tarp (where I was feeding them my "critter-cake" that winter), and they started to gnaw on the frozen cat-meat over a few days. (I thought their method a little grisly, they started with the cat's head. These opossum finally chewing on this gray cat is also what showed me why wildlife wouldn't eat any of the other cats, dead or alive. Cats' bold and variable coat-patterns signaling to wildlife that cat must be toxic or have some other hidden and dangerous defense mechanism.)

After that cat had been gnawed-away by the opossum I never saw any of them again. I thought maybe they all moved out because they finally got a decent meal. (It was also a mild winter.) In spring I found 5 dead opossum under the tarp. So, no, no necropsy done. ("Autopsy" is humans inspecting humans.) They had no access to any other foods than what I had been feeding them all that time. So it was pretty obvious what killed them -- cat-meat. They were doing so well up 'til then, as were all the other wildlife I brought back from near-extirpation.

I miss having those opossum around. I was looking forward to watching the kids' antics that coming spring. :-(

(Funny story: One time the almost-blind & deaf raccoon (she had a bad run-in with a car or 12-guage or something, her whole back was bare flesh when we first met, she still visits most every day, her skin and most of the hair grew back with my help) ... she got startled when I opened the door one night, and ran smack-dab into one of the large adult opossum that just happened to be in front of the door too. The opossum fainted and blocked the door. I couldn't open it because the more I tried, the more the opossum played dead, wedged under the edge of the door. I was trapped in my own home by a 'possum playing dead. I finally got the door open enough to get my arm through. I waved a piece of my critter-cake under the opossum's nose and that revived it. :-) )

(Why such a long reply to such a simple question? I type 130wpm and enjoy telling an interesting story. Deal with it. And don't ask me any more questions. :-) )

Unfortunately, in this day and age of cost cutting, the elimination of strays or feral animals is going to be the answer.
50-60 years ago, that was the only answer for those outside cities.
I suppose that the real answer would be a law that says, that unless you are a licensed breeder, you can not sell or give away any "pet" that is not spayed or neutered. That may solve part of the problem, but just like requiring pet licenses, they will always be people who will ignore the law...

woods"... I could only get a family of opossum I was bringing back from demise to eat one of the cats, the only cat that any of the wildlife here ever attempted to eat."

so you did an autopsy??

we cannot comment on TEENS in a blog anymore.

I've lived in Janesville my whole life and I have never lived in any area that had a problem with strays (dogs or cats). Whatever the city has been doing for the last few of decades seems to be working.

Greg, it seems instructive to note the recent concerns over stray animals and "stray" teenagers. Readers are 24 times more likely to care about stray animals than teenagers. What can be read into these kinds of responses? I wouldn't want to be a teen in Janesville. Is it the school's fault?

TheUsualSuspect, you'll find that the bambi-cartoon reared mentality is a random event in online blogs. I can post the unvarnished truth (much harsher than I have here, describing in even greater gory detail what their cats do to all wildlife) and it not get a lick of concern nor attention 70% of the time. Then some afraid-of-reality, living-in-their-mommy's-basement, stroking-their-cat as their ONLY friend, blog-moderator shows up and deletes all words of reality. Because they are only 5-years-old in their own emotional and mental development. They don't think anyone else can handle more than they can.

Roll with the stupidity. I have a fridge-magnet that says, "Never underestimate the stupidity of humanity." to get me through times like that.

let's do what dnr does with the deer herd, bring in sharp shooters

grandprixgirl,

You think that having to destroy HUNDREDS of cats and bury them to protect all the native wildlife is a FUN JOB?!?

WOW. This speaks TOMES about your own underlying values and demented thought processes. When you can so easily project those values and motives of yours into what has been said.

NOBODY could pay me enough to have to go through that crap again. This is why I'm online now. Urging all others to do the same so *I* won't have to go through that nightmare EVER AGAIN -- from cats invading this area from other criminally-irresponsible people just like yourself.

You're ONE SICK PUPPY! That's for damn sure. Seek help.

As for not visiting again to see any replies so you can continue to wallow in your bliss of self-inflicted ignorance (as every last cat-lover always does): Good, then everyone else can see just how sick people like you truly are. Typical criminally-irresponsible cat-advocate and cat. Leave their crap disasters behind for all the responsible and caring people to clean up after them.

WOW. I just happened to stumble upon this blog..and have been reading some of the posts. Woodsman, you are one SCARY person. I sure hope you dont live anywhere near me! Your rants and wild, bizarre posts are indeed eerie. Its totally obvious that you are obsessed with killing--and enjoy doing it AND telling, in detail, about it afterwards. You are by far the most disturbed individual here, but not the only one. Seems there are alot of "cat haters" here on this blog. Sounds like killing the cats is the ONLY (fun? Satisfying?) answer to the issue of stray cats and dogs. Definatly something scary about that. Dont bother taking me or my post apart, I wont be back to check it out again. I just felt I had to say this.

A clarification for casual skim-readers, the not-burying them was in reference to a red-fox (I believe).

In the case of cat-carcasses ... PLEASE bury or incinerate them. They carry far too many deadly diseases today for both human and wildlife (see list posted earlier).

I had tried to feed some of the dead-cats here to local wildlife (long-long story short, which lead to an interesting discovery of mine about cats' coat-patterns scaring larger predators away and this why cats can breed out of control so much), anyway ... I could only get a family of opossum I was bringing back from demise to eat one of the cats, the only cat that any of the wildlife here ever attempted to eat. Then, sadly, that opossum family died from some disease in the cat-meat. Alarming in that opossum, due to their cooler body temperatures, can't even carry nor spread rabies, nor many other common wildlife diseases. For some disease in cats to kill a highly-disease-resistant opossum is disturbing, to say the least.

Please ... bury or incinerate dead-cats to prevent any further wildlife or humans coming in contact with them. Wear gloves while doing so too, and then burn (or bury) those too after the last cat.

Yeah, I know, shut-up Woodsman. (but this is potentially life-saving stuff)

I know of some people who don't bother burying them, they just throw them out in the woods or fields for the wild critters to feast on. "Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms." -Josey Wales

I am with you Woodsman. I too have a problem with feral cats killing our song birds. Trapping and sterilization does not solve the problem of the sterilized cats killing desirable wildlife. While a 22 is obviously more cost effective, I live trap them and take them to the vet to be put down. A red fox killing our chickens kept evading our traps, so a friend shot it. I do not bother burying the bodies, but throw them into our woods with some moldy hay thrown on top to hasten decay. This also provides a meal for the native skunks and raccoons.

The Town of Milton does not have a contract with RCHS because RCHS insists that they handle all animal problems, not just stray dogs and cats. This makes an RCHS contract unaffordable.

Yes. Put out a county wide bounty. $10 for each dead cat brought in. Can you imagine the benefits? 1) Stray cat problem solved. 2) Cat owners, terrified of Puss getting lead poisoning, KEEP THEIR CATS INSIDE, therefor, no more feces in the flower gardens! 3) Unemployed citizens can earn some gas money and keep busy. 4) Less of that goldarn YOWLING of kitty lovemaking!

What kind of kitty-litter do I use? Top-Soil, lots of it, about 2-3 feet deep of it. The cat does its business in the bottommost 2 to 4 inches, thereby making it a "Tidy Cat" too. The layers on top become "Fresh Step" after about a year when all the cats' T. gondii parasite's oocysts have eventually died-off from the top-soil as well.

Hey! You asked! (we'll just call the fault in your court)

I believe in pets both cats and dogs,I am not a cat fan but to each their own,I do not think wild roaming cats are pets,they are a menace ,that said, Woodsman,we get your point,Geeez !! What kind of kitty litter do you buy ? Tidy Cat ,top soil,Fresh Step ? Nuff Said ,dude we get your point.

TommyRay (you amazing moron), one further point for you to ponder (the usual prepared text for basket-cases like this):

Destroying cats is NOT a fear of cats nor even hating cats.

Why do mentally-unbalanced and psychotic cat-advocates always presume that if someone is removing a highly destructive, deadly disease spreading, human-engineered invasive-species from the native habitat to restore it back into natural balance that they must hate that organism? Does someone who destroys Zebra Mussels, Kudzu, Burmese Pythons, African Cichlids, or any of the other myriad destructive invasive-species have some personal problem with that species? (Many of which are escaped PETS that don't even spread any harmful diseases, unlike cats.) Your ignorance and blatant biases are revealed in your declaring that people who destroy cats must somehow hate or fear cats. Nothing could be further from the truth.

It is people who spread a destructive invasive-species that tortures-to-death all other wildlife that have zero respect for life. They don't even care about their cats dying a slow torturous death from exposure, animal attacks, diseases, starvation, dehydration, becoming road-kill, environmental poisons. etc., the way that ALL stray cats suffer to death. They don't even respect their fellow human being. This speaks more than volumes about your disgusting character. People like you should be locked up in prison for life for your cruelty to animals. If you let cats roam free you are violating every animal-abandonment, animal-neglect, animal-endangerment, and invasive-species law in existence.

If people DO hate cats today, have LEARNED to hate cats today, you have nobody but yourself and everyone just like you to blame. YOU are the reason people are now realizing that all excess cats must be destroyed on-site and on-sight. You've done so much to make people care about cats, haven't you.

THIS IS YOUR FAULT and THE FAULT OF EVERYONE JUST LIKE YOU. You have NOBODY but yourselves to blame.

You can take that all the way to the next shot-dead cat's grave.

Shopierehuh, about 3 years ago I discovered something, I thought I had already posted it here, but I guess not. This will explain what you have observed.

Here's some important information to help you understand. Discovered when "cat-lovers" (an oxymoronic label if there ever was one) were using cats to overtake my land, eventually by even moving my property markers when using their cats had failed -- failed because I got the go-ahead to shoot their cats. (An expensive many $1000 lesson for these property-thieves, surveyors are not cheap.) I often wondered why they kept releasing new cats onto my land even long AFTER they already knew their cats were being shot to death, they were told this is what was going to happen, and was. Clearly something else was motivating them. How many do you know that keep releasing cats after seeing many of them become road-kill, harmed by cat and animal attacks, die of diseases, killed by environmental poisons, etc.? (Like every last TNR-advocate.) They don't care about cats, not in the least!

Human Territorial Behavior By Expendable Proxy

I have come to the conclusion that "cat-lovers" letting this destructive invasive-species roam free, and those that defend the rights of cats to overtake private and public property and wildlife areas, are only (cowardly) using cats as a proxy for their OWN territorial behavior. Like inner-city youth that will disrespectfully and inconsiderately use loud music to stake-out territory for themselves. Whether this behavior is done consciously or subconsciously the underlying motive is the same. As long as they can have one of their cats defecate in another's yard or destroy their property, animals, and wildlife; and the land-owner not have any recourse; the cat-owner/caretaker owns that territory. It's time to put a stop to them using their "cute kitty" excuse for usurping and stealing others' property. If they want territory they can buy it like anyone else. Instead they're using underhanded and manipulative means--putting (and sacrificing) live animals in the path of their envy and greed. "Cat-lovers" only really want your yard, garden, or forest while making all others and all other animals suffer for what they can't have. Bottom line--they want to control you and your property. That's _ALL_ that "cat-lovers" are really after. It's why they don't care at all if their cat nor any other animals, nor even other humans, get harmed by their goals and (lack of) values in life.

Cat-advocates in FL are even trying to get a court to let them keep their cat colonies at shopping-centers and hotels (to act as speed-bumps, car-accidents, and health-violation-lawsuits waiting to happen I presume). We can add those to the kinds of property that they want to steal from the owners and control.

They can't be stopped from their behavior. They psychotically believe they are doing "god's work". So you must destroy their MAN-MADE INVASIVE-SPECIES cats. It's the ONLY solution.

Call Ted Nugent, or google him on this subject,I think you may be surprised or should I say shocked,he say's it the way it is .

And Shopierehuh, these "people you know" who; "use a .223 center fire, hand loaded with a 50 grain soft point running out at 2900 fps." are obviously having a blast and enjoy boasting with thier guns, but then the mentality of such home gun owners is usually the same attitude, of death, even when masking it with the word "sport" it's viewed as a more barbaric uncivilized 'recreation', at least by those with decent intelligence. What was said about Dogs being the same in here? Are they next? Perhaps a neigbors wandering cow, never know about Mad Cow disease. Seriously it's a lazy answer, especially for people with issues that own guns who tend to enjoy death and killing anything alive. It is simply an excuse to kill, not to help solve a problem, and they are more than happy to help anyone in order to have the excuse to pretend they have actual shooting skills. It does not impress me. And as I had stated it's no real world solution except in the minds of these ill-thinking people for thier own little part of the world. I'm done wasting my time trying to explain why others are wasting thier time, when you know there's gonna be a remark. I wont see it, I have a ton of other things to do that are more constructive. HAGD! :)

Whether out of compassion or religious belief against such drastic measures as eradication, (which would be impossible by the way as a species, or course, and therefore will always be a possible problem), the detrimental aspects that woodsman is drudging up is so obviously done out of anger in a more "kill'em all" attitude that further discussion from the person brings about profane inferrences which just undermines his attempts no matter how valid the point(s) is/are. (I wish I could 'paragraph' here, too, BTW.) And when passionate to the point of anger and profanity through simple discussion, it is a great indicator that any reasonable contrary opinion as being only an equalizer of sorts as the opinion will never change, and quite obviously so. From the animals that help elderly, blind and otherwise handicapped, protect us, even help us live longer simply from thier presence in our lives... all of them at one point wild animals and the unlucky ones left with no means but to revert to feral wild survival and habits... I can harbor no ill will against them, let alone such dislike bordering on hate. Population control by TnR alone may not be the answer, and it may cost more, but taking responsibility for our races' bad choices in caring for these creatures is better than the simple answer of "just eradicate them all". Just try and mount a squad of Feral-Hunters and see what outcry and outrage sprouts up. You're opinion, again with valid points, is taken, however, it is an impossibility in a reasonable solution scenario considering the likely outcome of even attempting to "test" such methods for eradication. IMHO. I have much rather have spent this time trying to help provide possible options to consider instead of having my time wasted having to point out to futility of continuing down that line of reasoning as being a real life solution in our current (or even past for that matter) social climate.

There is a common theme that arises from rabid cat lovers. That is, 'they are born free, they a have as much right to roam the wilds as the wild animals.'

They are fundamentally wrong. The cat is an introduced, invasive, destructive species. It roams the wild areas, killing song birds and small mammals by the 10s of millions in Wisconsin alone. It has no "right" to roam wild as a wild species, nor do the people who let this scourge loose on the Earth have a "right" to do so. To introduce a domestic predator to do the damage it does, and to self righteously defend this as a right takes a twisted thought process, an attitude of entitlement that needs to be fought at every chance. A lot of times this is done due to ignorant selfishness, they think the cats are "cute", therefore they have the right.

These free roaming, feral and unattended cats often go get a meal from their human benefactors, then they are let loose to roam the countryside, wreaking havoc on the wild bird population and small mammals. This forced use of your land and public lands by these cat people, is simply another kind of theft. They are stealing your right to allow the wild animals on your own land and the same with public land.

I know of people who consider the .22 rim fire as a good caliber to use on this size animal and it is good. I know of people who use a .223 center fire, hand loaded with a 50 grain soft point running out at 2900 fps. They say it is very humane, instantaneous death for these foul creatures. This caliber of course is for areas where noise is not an issue. S.S.S.

After googling that name to find out what the f*** you are trying to say ... boy, you couldn't be any more wrong. I have about the same affinity for politics as salt does for a leach.

Do you always run around throughout life making such a complete and utter fool of yourself as you've proved to do here?

p.s. Your "ergo" makes absolutely no sense whatsoever as well. Do you even know what that word means? Probably not, considering the vast amount of other things that you've proved to not know. Home-schooling sure has worked out well for you, hasn't it.

Buh-bye TROLL!

Kubotan = delusional psychotic

frogger: buried 'em. What license? Don't need no steenkin' license outcheers! :-) (true)

Kubotan: There's a world of difference between letting NATIVE wildlife be (unless they are a harm to you or your family) and removing a HIGHLY destructive MAN-MADE INVASIVE-SPECIES CAT. Do you cut down all the native oak trees because you are, by law, required to pull-up every invasive-species Purple-Loosestrife plant? Don't be so hyperbolically silly.

neweeyes: It is YOU who have missed the whole point of nature. You don't introduce a man-made species that breeds 3X's faster than any native cat species, and has the largest prey-base of any predator on earth, without it having ANY natural predators to keep its populations in balance, and NONE of the native prey have evolved with it to have defenses against it, and then expect a Kumbaya Circle-Of-Life Bliss-Ninny Bambi-Cartoon out of that ecological-disaster you have just created.

Your comment about hunting is also BS. I'm not even a hunter. The ONLY animals I have ever shot with that rifle, any rifle, have been cat. I even named it Tweety-Pie because cat is all it has ever seen. (The shovel named Sylvester, because it has to bury cat-crap, and I'm not talking about their feces.) I should thank those cats. They taught me that I had a marksman skill I never knew I had. That's the only use I can think of for cats now, teaching people how to use a gun.

The loss of wildlife was not just my "perception". NEARLY ALL OTHER SPECIES WERE GONE. I hadn't heard an owl in over 15 years once the cats started to show up. Hawks no longer soared over my land. No raccoons. No skunk. I didn't see a fox in all that time. No grouse drumming in the distance anymore, no wild-turkeys ... this place was turning into a desolate one-species-only desert.

Now that the cats are gone ALL the native wildlife is returning. Faster than I ever thought it would. I suspect due to this area being one of the few truly devoid of cats, making this a wildlife oasis. I had a parliament of 5 owls hooting in my yard last summer. One even dove down to grab a vole I had disturbed while walking across my yard, the owl landing nearly between my feet. It's become a permanent resident in my yard. I watched it last night for a bit, staring at me from about 10 ft. away. Gray-Fox made a den not far from my home last fall. I saw 4 adult tom-turkeys in full plumage in the yard the other day. Then today a hen. This winter I was entertained one night by a skunk trying to scare a raccoon away. (Got a funny video out of that when the skunk failed and waddled away embarrassed.)

LIFE IS RETURNING now that those lousy cats are finally gone. And if some cat is ever again unfortunate enough to step foot on my land? I won't try to listen to cat-lovers in how to solve it. Shoot on first sight! Before it gets that bad again. I learned my lesson well. The immeasurable rewards for shooting every last cat you see are far too great to do anything but that.

Re neweyes: I believe that YOU are the one who missed the point. You said "IF the cat pop was controlled all of Woodman`s points would be moot". That is a BIG IF!! It`s NOT controlled, and that IS the point. Gee whiz.

kuboton-They shoot them.

Woodsman, I learned a long time ago not to rationalize with the irrational. My cat, a rescue, is spayed and never ventures outdoors. I have respect for ALL of nature. Are you angry because you perceive they are reducing the wildlife population YOU want to hunt? There is a food chain out there and circle of life. All in all, you have completely missed the point of this discussion. If the cat population was controlled (spay and neuter), all of your points would be moot.

I agree 100% with Woodman. Dogs too! It is the only solution.

woodsman- what did you do with all the dead cats?
When you get a licence you pay about $8 for fixed and around $12 for unfixed.

Keeop your cats INSIDE and FIX them.

feduptax -- oops. :-)

orange,

True, but .22's are FAR less costly, not as loud, and far less mess. (You need to protect yourself as well from all the diseases that cats carry. Less mess, less chance of catching something.) If you have a lot of them to get rid of, and most people do by the time they realize something must be done, those ammo costs could add up fast. A laser-sight and good illuminated-reticle scope also ensures that you don't waste even one inexpensive .22. (Also extremely handy for the hours that cats are most active, dusk to dawn.) I didn't waste even one bullet this way. That's after shooting hundreds of them. I always went for an instantly fatal chest-shot instead of a head-shot. Too much chance for a cat to turn its head at the last minute, glance off their hard skulls, or just pass through without doing any fatal damage. A chest-shot worked every time.

feduptaxpayer,

To dispel some other lies of cat-advocates ... cats are NOT good rodent control. Due to cats spreading their Toxoplasma gondii parasites to rodents (and all other animals and humans), any rodents infected with T. gondii are actually ATTRACTED to cat-urine. CATS ATTRACT RODENTS.

http://scitizen.com/neuroscience/parasit...

If you want to attract rodents to your home, keep cats.

I have hawks, owls, gray-fox, falcons, raccoons, and other local NATIVE predators for rodent control. There is absolutely no need to use any highly destructive INVASIVE-SPECIES animal for this. These native animals also do a MUCH better job and won't be attracting more rodents to your home like cats will. These animals also don't destroy every other living thing in sight, like cats always do. Encourage the same native animals by you if you worry about rodents. Gray Foxes don't even eat farmers' poultry and will even climb trees (the only fox species to do so) to help keep squirrel populations in check. Red-Foxes, an invasive-species from Europe, evolved alongside poultry so they dine on poultry regularly. Just remember: Black Tail-Tip = Gray-Fox, HIGHLY beneficial native animal. White Tail-Tip = Red-Fox, invasive-species, eats poultry, okay to hunt or trap. Learn to befriend all the highly beneficial NATIVE animals. There's ZERO need for any cats, ANYwhere.

The more you research, the more you find out how much of what cat-advocates spew is just easily revealed lies. If there's one thing I learned in all of this, if a cat-lover is talking then they are lying. You could bet your life on this and win every time, 100% guaranteed.

neweyes,

Should we judge YOU by how many native animals that your invasive-species cats cruelly shredded to death just to use as slowly dying and twitching cats' play-toys? Or all those animals that STARVED TO DEATH from YOUR cats destroying their ONLY food sources? Why don't you just go to pet-stores and buy canaries and hamsters and throw them at your cats so they can tear them apart for their entertainment. It would be NO different than what you are already doing to animals now. The only difference is that you wouldn't be cruelly torturing to death the native animals with your cats.

Yes, I say you DEFINITELY deserve to be judged for this. With a long prison sentence thrown in as well, justifiably so. How long are you going to cruelly torture animals with your cats? The rest of your life?

"We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." ~Immanuel Kant

So if we deem something's life invaluable, we should kill it? Does that apply to someone's as well?

Shopierehuh,

Thanks for the tip.

JohnDoe,

Sorry, I don't compose my messages intended for the present-day rash of attention-deficit twitter-heads who cannot comprehend more than 140 characters at a time.

Drat, that was 161 characters. Far beyond your comprehension level. Oh well. Your loss.

Woodsman001, I agree with everything you say, you are accurate on the technical aspects, too. The way to make paragraphs on this format is to enter so you get the space, then hit the spacebar on the space so that it will create the actual space for a paragraph. It will show up in the preview comment area. (In case you were interested, otherwise nevermind.)

Woodsman001....slow down...take a deep breath...and compose your unreadable previous rant into a comprehensible prose of about one quarter that length and then perhaps you will be taken seriously....seriously.

Of course there's a solution. But one that a namby-pamby bambi-cartoon educated civilization doesn't want to face up to nor implement.

There's a very good reason that "hunted to extinction" is so well-known in all cultures and all lands. It is the ONLY method that is faster than any species can out-breed and out-adapt to. Especially in the case of domesticated-cats that are a man-made species. One that can exponentially breed 2-3X's faster than any naturally occurring cat-species, and has the largest prey-base of any naturally occurring predator on earth.

I successfully used this solution on my own land. I shot HUNDREDS of cats to be rid of them all. I tried for FIFTEEN YEARS to reason-with and placate the cat-lovers that were releasing them, to no avail. It wasn't until on advice of the sheriff to just shoot ALL cats was the problem finally resolved. In less than ONE YEAR too. Stray, feral, collared or not. They ALL got shot. Because if you don't destroy all the stray collared cats as well, the very source of all feral-cats, you'll NEVER solve the problem. (This too is why feral dog-packs are a rarity in rural areas. By LAW they must be shot if seen harassing wildlife. You can tell who actually cares about their animals in rural areas -- their animals are still alive.)

My land has been 100% cat-free for TWO YEARS now. All at the expense of a couple cups of coffee for the price of .22s.

May you eventually grow-up and get the strength of heart that is now being demanded of you to solve this problem. And if not? I hope you fools drown in cats and die from all the deadly diseases they are spreading today.

I found some surprising things about all the diseases these invasive-species vermin are now spreading throughout the USA.

These are just the diseases they've been spreading to humans, not counting the ones they spread to all wildlife. THERE ARE NO VACCINES against many of these, and are in-fact listed as bio-terrorism agents. They include: Campylobacter Infection, Cat Scratch Disease, Coxiella burnetti Infection (Q fever), Cryptosporidium Infection, Dipylidium Infection (tapeworm), Hookworm Infection, Leptospira Infection, Giardia, Plague, Rabies, Ringworm, Salmonella Infection, Toxocara Infection, Toxoplasma. [Centers for Disease Control, July 2010] Sarcosporidiosis, Flea-borne Typhus, and Tularemia can now also be added to that list.

Cat-Transmitted PLAGUE:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/80599...
http://www.pagosasun.com/archives/2011/0...

Tularemia (rabbit-fever, transmissible to humans):
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/health/...
http://www.westyellowstonenews.com/news/...

Flea-borne Typhus:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/count...

"Couldn't we require proof of spaying and neutering from those who get licenses?"

Studs...do you even know what the requirements are for a pet to be licensed?

I am guessing you just may not have stated your thoughts as intended?

Is there a solution to owners who leave their pets tied up in all weather conditions, regardless of their barking? How about those who refuse to spay/neuter them? Couldn't we require proof of spaying and neutering from those who get licenses?

"Is there a solution to stray animal problem?"

Yes....but not one that the citizens would accept, either emotionally or financially.

Do what you have to do,and shut up !