How much carpeting in a school?

By GREG PECK ( Contact )   Wednesday, October 24, 2012 - 11:13 a.m.

How much carpeting do you recall having in your school when you went through K-12 education?

If you’re like me, you likely can’t recall much. Tiles covered floors in my schools. Perhaps the only carpeting I can even recall in my high school in the Dane County village of Marshall was in the teachers lounge, which I remember sneaking into one time.

So while the Janesville School Board voted Tuesday to dip more heavily than its policy would suggest into a reserve fund to cover the 2012-13 budget shortfall, it also agreed to spend upwards of $300,000 to replace carpeting in Marshall Middle School. The worst spots already have been replaced, but bad areas remain and pose tripping hazards and liability risks, board member Greg Ardrey reasoned.

OK, so maybe fixing the problem is reasonable. But just how much carpeting does the school have? My son attended Marshall Middle School when it opened more than 15 years ago, and I’ve been inside the school but can’t remember how much carpeting it has. And is carpeting in schools better and more economical than tile?

Full disclosure: Yes, I also walked to school far more than the vast majority of Janesville kids ever will these days. But there’s no truth to the rumor that horses pulled buggy-like buses back in my school days of tiled hallways.

Spending more than a quarter of a million dollars to replace just some of the carpeting in a school, however, just boggles the mind.

Greg Peck can be reached at (608) 755-8278 or gpeck@gazettextra.com. Or follow him on Twitter or Facebook

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wave
Oct 26, 2012 at 6:22 a.m.
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It is amazing to me how many people complain about costs associated with schools. Have you ever looked into the costs of prisons and some of the luxuries they have? What a backwards society we have when our prisons look nicer than our schools!

frogger
Oct 25, 2012 at 7:33 p.m.
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nicksmom- also another good point - algeries and the vomit I think would be a good one as well!!
Not not exactly that. Hey how about CEMENT! put a nice stain and seal it on it and all set!

wasp2491
Oct 25, 2012 at 4:28 p.m.
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frogger - Terrazzo is what you are talking about. I agree, it is beautiful and will last a long time but I think the cost would be prohibitive today.

nicksmom
Oct 25, 2012 at 2:01 p.m.
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Outrageous! Just from a health perspective I would think this wouldn't be appropriate. Thinking back I believe the school libraries were the only carpeted areas when I was in school.

frogger
Oct 25, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
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Old Marshall(jpac_ still has original floors and they are fine. NO CARPET!

saxcat70
Oct 25, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.
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prevailing wage......yet another government action that cripples a free market society.

Sigma40
Oct 25, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
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Harrison was fully carpeted (except hallways). I attended in the 80's. It was an awesome shade of puke green and brown speckles. I know we used to sit on the floor a lot.

gray_ghost
Oct 24, 2012 at 11:48 p.m.
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@billnewbie, ever hear of prevailing wage laws? check it out. that shall answer your questions

k_atie_e
Oct 24, 2012 at 9:10 p.m.
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I had never been in Marshall untill my son started attending 3 years ago. I was shocked I'd say 90 % of the school including cafeteria is CARPET!! And I can't tell you how many times in the last 3 years I have almost fallen from tripping over the carpet its pulled up so bad. I was thinking whos bright idea was it to spend money on carpeting in a school...carpeting needs to be replace etc...was its easier to vacum than mop...but after speaking with janitor he explained it gets cleaned every night...they have special machine. But yes this needs to be replaced but how bout tiles??

billnewbie
Oct 24, 2012 at 7:40 p.m.
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You didn't note anything about a preference for union labor by the school board Mr. Peck, so I wonder, does the school board insist that it use only unionized carpet installers just as the city insists that it use only unionized sidewalk installers? Could that be why the cost seems so much higher than it should be?

dtb
Oct 24, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.
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If you've seen the carpet they put in schools you'll see that it is very thin and a very tight weave put over a concrete floor. It's meant to stand up to a lot of traffic, much more than the softer more luxorious pile than you'd put in your house. It takes a beating though with hundreds and thousands of steps on it every day. And if it isn't cleaned regularly, the abrasive dirt gets ground in and shortens the life of the carpet further.

oldtimer
Oct 24, 2012 at 4:35 p.m.
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NO, NO and NO

frogger
Oct 24, 2012 at 3:08 p.m.
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Carpet is stupid. See all the fancy carpet up front in Craig. Extra maintenece as well. That is how you get up to 70 million for 2 high schools. I recall carpets in Library only and seems the way back classrooms down a hall were for some reason.
dtb- exactly- carpet is cheap and do it again before a decent industrial floor BUT I doubt they bought cheap carpet becasue then you replacement is sooner.

janesvillean
Oct 24, 2012 at 2:03 p.m.
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When I attended Edison -- in the NINETEEN SEVENTIES -- the instructional pods were carpeted, but most of the hallways were tile. I'm really not getting the outrage here -- this is a big building, 170000 sq. ft., and I imagine at least 50,000 sq. ft. of instructional space would be carpeted. Given a range of install costs of $4-8 per square foot (not counting moving furniture, removing old, cleaning up surfaces, etc.), you're looking at anything from $200K to $400K, so this is right in the normal range of cost for this item.
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As a landlord I can tell you that carpeting is infinitely quieter, and though some type of floor tile may cost less to install, it is not maintenance free. Ripping up and repairing an area of floor tile is an order of magnitude more work than replacing a worn section of carpeting.
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I feel like filing this under "people got no idea what some things just cost" (right next to the bit about the bus facility).

dtb
Oct 24, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
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When building a school, carpeting is cheaper than tile floors, especially the thin cheap stuff they install that has little or no pad underneath it. It wears out sooner than tile and costs more to maintain. But in the short run it's much cheaper which is why you see it in so many schools.

Coppertop
Oct 24, 2012 at 1:11 p.m.
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I can maybe see some carpeting in offices and the library but $300,000!?!?!?! Just how many square feet of coverage is this supposed to be? Is there anything on record stating the cost of material separated from labor charges? I bet there would be quite a bit of competition from carpet installers and vendors quoting much lower price.

woody
Oct 24, 2012 at 12:43 p.m.
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Carpet is much harder to keep clean and really soaks up the vomit when kids get sick.

BBB
Oct 24, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
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Once again common sense does not prevail.

li713
Oct 24, 2012 at 12:09 p.m.
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I didn't graduate that long ago, and carpet was rare. I recall a teacher saying once that the tiles in the classroom were asbestos, but I'm not sure if that was true. Still it seems like carpeting is a bad idea because of wear and tear issues (that they're obviously experiencing). I wonder what the other options are and what the costs to those options are. It seems that carpeting has already proven not to be the best solution.

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