*Isn't it funny how the some people in Wisconsin "HATE" the unions,(unless it benefits them someway)want the union brothers back on the field,what a dog eat dog world we live in !!*

Yawn...private-sector unions versus public-sector unions. Come on, put a little thought into your next post.

Isn't it funny how the some people in Wisconsin "HATE" the unions,(unless it benefits them someway)want the union brothers back on the field,what a dog eat dog world we live in !!

NVgrf:
Being in NV, I'm sure you know many players who refuse to wager and real $$$ on the NFL betting lines. For years now, many serious gamblers refer to the NFL as the National Fix League. I have not bet many NFL games myself (and very little $$'s when I do), as all the conspiracy people have legitimate points. Seattle got a gift cover last night, but remember the SCREW JOB they got on that fixed Super bowl vs the Steelers. Now people seriously think those refs were any better then what you have now?
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A real case can be made that Goddell is just another Vince McMahon (WWF president), and every event is just a big ratings staging.

As I just recently posted in another GAZ thread, the 'league' and it's Judas head (Goddell) could really care less about all this. Goddell has PROVEN from DAY ONE, that he cares about one thing, and one thing ONLY, and that is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. He is absolutely LOVING this controversy. Controversy = MORE viewers, and MORE ad $$$'s. The Judas; errrr Goddell era of NFL started off with a porn show at the half time of the Super Bowl. TONS of controversy, and the NFL ratings exploded over it. Goddell went on to expand the total SHAM of instant replay to unprecedented degrees. Had NOTHING to do with fairness or integrity of the game. was all about $$$$$$. As more replay ='s more drams, and much longer games. longer games = MORE ad $$$'s.
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When veteran players of the 60's and 70's who were paid hardly any $$, and made the NFL the game it is today. When they started showing physical problems from the BEATING their bodies took in the NFL, what did Judas/Goddell do? Basically said screw you. Your not getting of my silver/ multi $$$ billions that we now take in from the game YOU built!
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This guy is nothing more than a disingenuous, money grubbing POS. I can guarantee you he is loving this fiasco now. He probably is up in his penthouse gloating over at the ratings boost it will get this week, and calculating that extra ad revenue it will generate! Lets face it, for all the pi$$ed off packer fans, who seriously won't watch them this week vs the Saints?

Yeah NVgrf, you'll show 'em!!

NVgrf- sure you won't.

I have picked NFL games for a nationally rated website for years. (www.4nflpicks.com) I resigned this morning. I will no longer watch, bet or pick NFL games. Boycott the NFL!!!

My dog chases and catches a ball...can he get on TV? Hes damn good too. Im sorry, I just cant comprehend the attention that people give an inanimate object that people throw and catch. Its a childs game played by adults and promotes violence, bullying,drinking, and a slew of other things society can do without.

johndenver, don't be so hard on yourself, at least you're smart enough to bail out.

To gazette fan not wisconsin guy...

Well on that note I'm out. Can't fix stupid...

I think it's time for all union members in the state of Wisconsin to show solidarity with the NFL officials union by boycotting all NFL games until the labor dispute is settled.
That means not going to the games or even watching on TV or listening on the radio.

Solidarity forever.

johndenver, his arms! His arms!

And the rest of world? You're only talking about America. Check out Canadian and European media. That's where you'll find the unvarnished truth.

Come on man....get real. His right hand never even touches the ball. So 99.9% of the world agrees with me and you agree with Pete Carroll, who essentialy has to say he thinks it was a good call? Ridiculous

OK, johndenver, if Tate didn't catch the ball, then where were his arms when the ball stopped?

Go through the video frame by frame.

Ummm, yeah at no point did he ever catch the ball. Not even close. Stop playing games now please Mr Gazettefan ok?

johndenver, I hope you're not referring to Mother Mary.

Where the ref screwed up was when he didn't signal touchdown as soon as Tate caught the ball. It made no difference what happened after Tate's catch. The ref hesitated because he was so caught up in the game that he wanted to see what happened next. For that, the NFL should file a reprimand against him.

As for the Packers who almost didn't go back on the field for the point after, they should send that ref a heartfelt written apology and a nice fruit basket.

Sigma - football fans should get a hobby? You mean like constantly posting asinine comments on Gazette stories?

Gazettefan - Come on, you are trying to fire people up here. There is no way, if you are a fully functioning human being, that you believe the garbage you have posted on this story.

look at all this waste of cyberspace over a dumb ball game. One of the simplest things in the world is a ball. People need to get hobbies.

Callit......, you picked the wrong guy re: the JFK assassination. I got Oswald as the lone shooter, no confederates of any kind.

When Tate caught the ball as he was upright, touchdown, game over. Jennings attempt to snatch the ball came slightly later. The ref made sure that Jennings did not have the ball entirely to himself on the ground. That's why he signaled a little late.

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5L7O3PWI...

PS: The pre-game prayers to the lord must have been a little heavier on the Seattle side. HAIL MARY!!!

Is it fair to blame the replacement refs for the players trying to get away with stuff? While the players grumble about the integrity of the game, they openly cheat thinking the replacement refs won't notice. While the players complain that someone may get hurt, they openly take illegal shots against one another thinking the replacement refs won't make a call. Don't the players have a duty to the game and their fellow players? What about the coaches? Are they telling the players to go out there and see what they can get away with? It seems to me that if the games are getting out of hand, the replacement refs aren't the only ones to blame.

Let's see now, who's to blame for the Packers' loss? Well, from what I saw, that catch could have been called either way. Furthermore, I've seen calls in the past made by union officials that also could have been called either way. It's just like in baseball, a strike is what the ump says it is. Crying about it doesn't change anything. And anyone who thinks the union refs would never make such a grievous error doesn't know much about football.

*At the end of the day, why does it matter? It is just a game.*

True, but if they can't even get the part where they decide who wins or loses correct, what is the point of wasting one's time watching it?

I already live without baseball & hockey, I guess I can live without football. See ya later, NFL.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...

Gazettefan-How about a link to this video? I just watched what I percieve as every angle available on line and can't find one that didn't show Tate grabbing a ball held tightly to Jennings chest.

And while your at it, hook a link to the second shooter video you have from Dallas.

The way it is to begin with is, If the Packers were so good, they would have been ahead enough to absorb the bad calls regardless. What it looks like to me is two teams very well matched and one had to win and one had to loose. Yes granted the supervising staff (Refs) had a lot of issues themselves but they were reffing both teams. Was it the Ref's fault Rogers was sacked 8 times? No it was an off night for the offensive line. I am not a die hard Packer fan nor a die hard Seahawks fan so I am not speaking with prejedism for either team. I am just saying, if the Packers truely were superior then they would have had enough lead and would not have been in this situation regardless of what was thrown at them.

WisconsinResident, the second ref signaled touchback, not incomplete. I wonder if we can end the drought with all the tears in Wisconsin?

There's a video angle that shows that it was a simultaneous catch. A simultaneous catch goes to the offensive team. The ref who signaled touchdown had a better angle on the play than the other guy.

First they blow the pass interference call on the last drive of the game which should have gone against Seattle then they call the wrong Jersey number because there is no number 25 for the Packers. Then the worst call of the game was the Touchdown call which should have been ruled a incomplete pass. See in the NFL rule book under Article 7 item 2 paragraph on it states that if there is any doubt then the pass should have been ruled incomplete which i thought was what the on ref indicated. Then the other ref overrides that and rules it a touchdown what a joke.Talk about a badly officiated game. The NFL needs to resolve this and get the regular refs back.

You know nothing about football if you refer to 8 sacks or the Packers not playing well. They made great halftime adjustments, came out and WON the game. It doesn't matter if you think they played bad, if they did play bad or if you think they played great. They intercepted the ball and WON the game. If you have any other excuse as to why they didn't win besides that play you know nothing about football

I believe now that people will turn in just to watch and see how lousy the referring will be. The team that wins the Super Bowl will be the team that is lest subject to bad referring.

Saxcat70.......I agree 100% GO BEARS GO

Sacked eight times in the first half.
Ya, it was a bad call that lost the game.

<-------running to walmart to get another case of tissues. :)

If we all saw that the defender (Greenbay) had the ball first and came down with it, before the ball started getting wrestled away, then why couldn't a referee with a lot more experience and knowledge than just an average fan, see it? That is why it is suspicious and I think the NFL should look into interviewing these refs for throwing the game. Make the contract talks a separate issue!

dal - I think you're right. The only thing that is going to change anything is if people start boycotting. Stop watching the games. Stop going to the games. Let the rating take a nose dive, then when advertisers start pulling their spots because they're not getting their money's worth, maybe the NFL will do something about it. Until it starts affecting the money in their pocket, they have no motivation to do anything to fix the situation.

I guess I don't know enough about the structure of the NFL to say what, if anything, owners, coaches, or players can do to help get this situation resolved, but there has to be something.

The insistence here is that some of the calls were bad. So if all fans, players, and analysts see it that way and the refs had to take the time to review the score, then...I think it was intentional. How could they get it wrong? The scoring play is reviewable, so it can be overturned right?
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Perhaps these numerous bad calls and other little things like the wrong ball (kicking ball instead of throwing), are the result of something more than just the lack of quality refs.
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I believe these refs in part have been making calls (a little skewed) to allow for the referee's union to force the NFL back to the table. After the other horrible things I have seen from the unions in other venues, I wouldn't doubt it. I say keep these guys and get back to business anyway!

Personally I am going to boycott the NFL, and I urge all others to boycott pro-football. When they can allow atrocious calls like they did on Monday night, it is time to call it quits.

They should have played a better game.

The refs are awful. They are missing calls everywhere. They have no control of the game. It is ridiculous.

These refs are just as bad as the original refs and have been for years. Before this year i was always told its part of the game. Now everyone thinks that its just bad now. No matter what happens because this is football country we will continue to watch and wine about the refs while nfl makes millions of $$$$.

llamaboy, I disagree. The team that deserved to win was the team that caught the hail mary pass. But the refs got it wrong, and the team that deserved to win went home with a notch in the loss column.

yes - bad calls all night, but the bottom line, the Packers did not deserve to win! Rogers spent more time on the ground, then on the bench!

go bears!

I'm with you Greg. Yes, it is just a game, but why not make it fair. Something needs to be done about these ref's real soon. They are bringing the NFL down real fast. I will not waste my time watching another minute of this Pee Wee football officiating.

At the end of the day, why does it matter? It is just a game.