IRIS, the next time there is a 9/11, uss cole, or other terrorist attack, our nation can blame the Eyester's who welcome and embrace terrorism with open arms.

Iriss, don't lose the faith, you are right calling John out. Nothing you said was wrong at all. This blog and the blog write are more racist, and demeaning than any comment you have made.

Eysters not a true Christian hes a socialist. He uses Christian fait to attempt to twist people into buying his leftist garbage. Trying to sell that Jesus was a socialist and all the rest of that trash the left tell themselves so they can sleep at night.

gazettefan, please don't classify John as a Christian. He refuses to respond to claims that he is or isnt.

In 2000, at Camp David with Clinton, Arafat turned down statehood because it would have required that Palestinian terrorist organizations be dismantled.

Eyster, I guess there's a reason you didn't list historian or student of history among your credentials. And that may partially explain why you don't know what you're talking about.

It's that ignorance plus the fact that the terrorists wore you down. You are a victim of terrorism, especially the anti-jewish terrorism of islam and your christianity.

You and Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn are all a sad element in this world.

Pretty odd that someone could make so many far out comments and have no respect for the readers (both sides) to comment on some of the very valid questions that were posed? John some of your readers want to know? Some of your readers want more to support their cause and some of us really just want to hear that you really are no different than those who support selective genocide. Your choice John. IMHO no answer tells me that you do support the deletion of the Jewish people.

"John is a community blogger and is not a part of Janesville Gazette staff. His opinion is not necessarily that of the Janesville Gazette staff or management. "
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Maybe the Gazette should put the disclaimer in all caps to emphasize this.
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Iriss, unfortunately, John gets to put his antisemitic comments up and you don't get to call him on it... John are you still blaming the Jewish people for the crucifixion of Jesus?

I don't think prounion took a side. He slammed the religious element of the war. Currently the blame goes to islam and islam's christian, anti-jewish allies.

So the very ilk who, with the help of Congress, gave South Vietnam over to the barbarism of communist terrorists wants to give Israel over to the terrorist dupes of Islam and the Arab world.

The so-called Palestinians are Jordanian terrorists who define themselves by their pathological, criminal intent to destroy Israel.

The State of Israel, you may recall, Eyster, formed as a result of the Hitlerian/Christian attempt to slaughter every Jew in the world. The two thousand year-old hatred by Christians for Jews is showing itself here. The slightly different face of it is fooling only the few.

Consider yourself among the tenured radicals and the rest of your ilk who blame our country for 9/11. Consider yourself a prime example of the tragic fact that there's more than one way to be a victim of terrorism.

How many babies, children, and adults will die as a result of voicing support for Palestinian statehood? Can you count that high?

Shame on everyone who agrees with Eyster. And shame on you, Eyster.

*What about giving back the land back to Germany that was stolen by The Soviet Union and Poland after World war II. (or the land stolen from Poland by the Soviet Union)?*

At least the Soviets, under Stalin, were wise enough to forcibly remove all the Germans from Eastern Europe after the Germans lost their war--and fortunate enough to have so much world opinion on their side that no one cared. This is why you don't have irredentist ethnic Germans from the Baltic to the Volga basin moaning about returning to the Fatherland anymore.

prounion, even if you just take the historical facts that are documented outside of the bible the fact is that Israel is the rightful owner of that land. I am saddened that you have a distorted view of Christianity, wonder where you got that from, most likely not from someone who really understands what Christianity is about.
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IMHO.. I was so disappointed that John used the so distasteful antisemitic book from Carter to make his point. Calling Israel's stance to defend their nation Apartheid would be as logical as me saying you just want to destroy a Jewish nation so you are a Nazi? Neither are fair or impartial comments. This entire blog is filled with borderline antisemitism.
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This land is Jewish land and belongs to them, any attack or threat to the sovereignty of this land is an attack on the Jewish religion and the nation of Israel. Awaiting a logical response from Mr. Eyester. Do you have it in you?

prounion, If you ever go to weddings and funerals you must be quite a hoot.

TTTT - maybe if folks did not take a book of myth written by brutal bronze age man seriously some of this conflict could be averted?

Really doesn't most of the misery in this area come down to the disctinction between the differences in each groups version of their imaginary sky gods?

There can be no brokered peace settlement between Jews and Arabs/Persians. I don't understand why anyone would be on the Palestinians side. The rest of the Arab world shuns them. Back when they were getting kicked out of "Israel" no other Arab country would take them, that's why they are still where they are. Why side with the Jews, I can’t think of a good reason. The fight over that tiny piece of land in Jerusalem will never be settled with both parties still in existence. If we cratered the city of Jerusalem it would eliminate most of what they are fighting over, except for that tiny right to exist thing. Anyone who thinks creating a Palestinian state will somehow solve the problems of the Middle East does not know history.

If CAPS is for it, I am against it

World Peace...YAWN
Why would we want that? My god the country will go into a bigger recession then it is now, if don't keep the military welfare complex strong...
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Never fear you peace lovers, it's only been talked about for the last few centuries, or so...Neville Chamberlain had much the same romantic vision of world peace, as you all...That ended up working out great, didn't it?

NO! terrorism must stop before any deals are struck

Yes eagle1, Im also waiting for the UN to restore Neaderthal man to his rightful lands (Europe) that were stolen by Homo Sapiens...or at least give Ireland back to the Tuatha de Dannan stolen by the opressive Celts.

Here is how it will go...
1-palestine becomes something it never was before, a country.
2-palestine continues to support and harbor folks who only live to kill jews.
3-israel finally has enough and takes over - no more "nation" of palestine.
4-palestinian dupes are back to square 1 while surrounding arab nations enjoy the show and hold up the image of evil jews as a means of directing anger of their own populace away from their corrupt leadership.

And you call yourself "che"? LOLOLOLOL

So I guess my people the Bohemians should get their own country too. Amazing, now I remember why I never signed up for any of this guys classes.

Having served as a delegate to the U.N. Conference on Palestine in the 1980's, having spent time working in the West Bank as a U.N.R.W.A. representative and having met with Arab and Israeli Ambassadors on numerous occassions, I fully concur with John Eysters viewpoint. It is time to recognize the national rights that the Palestinian people so richly deserve. I am certainly at odds with the American position on this issue. But I am well aware of whose vote is being sought by all involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJb7QQ...

John, as someone who previously proclaimed to be a minister of the Gospel of Jesus, how do you defend your position to promulgate the destruction of Israel by allowing Palestine sovereignty? How do you defend that stance when the scriptures that you called sacred specifically call for the destruction of Israels enemies? Do you consider Palestine and Israel to be friends? Will you call your belief system flawed? Will you call your holy scriptures flawed? Do you even follow the belief system you proclaimed in earlier blogs?

I am for free speech, it is one thing that makes this country great. As our founding fathers I ENCOURAGE thought provoking discussion into any matter, and then as our founding fathers did, comparing those ideas against the holy scriptures to make decisions.

Be careful saying hoomophobe, they might just delete your comment too! If you were to ask my wife, she may say she has a little too much control of me and my checkbook would say that!

Not suprising at all that you are so wrong about this Eyster. There never has been a palestine. The so called palestinians are made up of desert wanderers that had no state. As for them deserving any recognition how about recognizing that they worship deat and are looking to DESTROY ISRAEL. How about that Eyster? Pull your leftist head out.

TTTT - what values do you have that atheists do not? Homophobia? The desire to control women? An obsession with death?

No doubt you are correct - an ardent christain might wish to block the voicing of opinion and free thoughts they do not agree with.

johnnyreb6977, isn't that what the UN and Obama wants, a one-world government... Hmmm. wasn't there a book about a one-world government, peace in Israel and the destruction of the known world?

As far as I'm concerned this country should get out of the UN and mind our own business. If the UN has their way there will be only 1 government controlling the whole world.

Fine! remove my comment, it will not change what the truth of the matter really is. Does it surprise any of us that you can't support Christianity any more, and that any support of Judeo-christian values must be suppressed? The Bliss family that started this paper was a strong Christian family and would have never allowed any article that would be negative toward Israel!

Somehow, I doubt that Palestinian statehood will directly result in world peace. In fact, it won't even result in peace in the Middle East. If peace is all we are after, especially in the Middle East, that's rather easy to attain. All we have to do is join in with the Palestinians and push every Jew in Israel into the Mediterranean Sea. Then peace will reign. Until then, nothing short of that goal will satisfy the Palestinians, or at least their dictators anyway. Once that is achieved, we may have peace for a time, that is until the next "nation" decides it wants to settle an ancient score or two. Peace is a wonderful thing. But are we willing to sacrifice the lives of the people of Israel to achieve it?

Wow, quite the surprise to find that you're entirely wrong on THIS ISSUE, too, Johnny.

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The palestinians voted with their feet at the founding of israel in 48. they left to get out of the way of the armies of surrounding arab states and figured they would return to a jew free patch of desert. besides, palestine is another imaginary country created by a british mandate- the original reference to palestine was as a district of syria (herodotus -5th cent bc). (and yes, i used no caps on purpose)

Dear eyester...a couple of things I'd like to see before Palestine becomes a nation...things you would not ask for or even consider "just" because of your liberal mind-set: 1) Will the Palestinian authority say that Israel has the right to exist?(their charter says the goal is to eliminate Israel but you don't call this apartheid). 2)Would the PA do anything to stop radical groups from sending rockets or suicide bombers into Israel?(Pa has encouraged these activities in the past, maybe even planned them) 3) will the UN do anything to make sure that Israel remains secure?(If the past preicts the future, the answer is no! The past has been..Israel gets attacked and when it fights back the UN condems them but not their attackers.)
Two other things..Obama is backing Israel now because he needs their voets in 2012. He'll switch sides if re-elected And...half of Jimmy Carters staff quit a few years ago becaue theysaid he was anti-jewish. I wonder if you mention that in your classes as you anoint him a saint?

The devil, you say!

For starters, Carter is the perfect political wind vane. If he says go north, you can bet your life you need to be headed south most ricky tick. His record for wrong-headed decision making is as close to 100% as any president has ever achieved, though the incumbent is trying hard to give him a run for his money.

“…supports the Palestinian campaign for statehood recognition at the United Nations because the Obama administration hasn’t offered a plan for peace in the region …” Oh, shall we count how many “plans for peace” have come and gone since Jimmy has? None have worked. Not because Israel didn’t want them to, not because Israel didn’t bend over backwards. Because the Palestinians don’t just want a state, they want to obliterate Israel and exterminate the Jews. Yasser Arafat, whose Nobel Prize is as incomprehensible as Obama’s, excelled as talking “peace and love’ in English and “war and hate” in Arabian. It doesn’t help that the neighbouring Arab states don’t want a Palestinian state either; they would rather keep things the way they are, nice and volatile. If they really wanted it to happen, they would have offered up a chunk of their own worthless desert years ago.

“What has the USA done to move the situation to the 2-state solution?” Try reading a history book sometime. The US has been engaged in this farce for the last 40 years. See the preceding paragraph if you don’t understand why there has been no progress.

“Yes, the ISRAELI policy is in truth APARTHEID!” For an educated man, you surely love to use words you don’t understand. Last I heard, Arabs, or Muslims, take your pick, who have settled into Israel proper have the run of the place. The Palestinians, who have worked very hard and successfully at making their name synonymous with “terrorists”, should expect very limited access with an equally rigorous security examination before they are allowed access. Keeping terrorists off your property is not apartheid. It’s simple survival.

President Carter's thoughts (along with yours and I guess now you want to drag your wife into it) are irrelevant and yet another in the several dozen reasons why he was a "one termer". As long as others announce their policy to be "blowing Israel off the face of the earth" no peace will be forthcoming.

(Why any parent would pay tuition for this drivel to be spewed to their children (either directly or indirectly) in a Waukesha classroom is beyond my wildest imagination).