I agree with Phil Hands again and potpourri

By JOHN EYSTER   Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 5:55 a.m.

I agree with Phil Hands again and potpourri.

Interesting to read comments on the recent posts on this blog. Yes, I do read each and every comment. No, I do not make it a practice to respond directly to comments. I leave the discussion to readers. I dare to hope that most readers will maintain CIVILITY! Not always the case, is it? I do require that my students maintain CIVILITY in class discussions. WHY NOT on any and all comments on Gazettextra.com? So, here we go with potpourri…

First, I again agree with Phil Hands in his “Hands on Wisconsin” cartoon. Do YOU? Here is the link to see the cartoon and read Phil’s commentary, “Hands On Wisconsin” posted May 23, 2012, Wisconsin State Journal.

TONIGHT is the opportunity for ALL OF US to learn more about very significant public policy issues from the AP US Government & Politics students at Milton High School through their Discovering Democracy III’s Political Science Research Fair from 7 – 9 pm in the library. The comments on this blog post, “Discovering Democracy research fair on Thursday, May 24 at Milton High School,” have been UNusually lacking in CIVILITY on the part of several readers who have commented. WHY?

The generalizations of educators as LIBERALS is totally untrue and reflects ignorance of the realities of PUBLIC EDUCATION in WI and throughout the USA! WHY should I not go ahead and use the stereotype that educators in K-12 schools in TX are CONSERVATIVES?! It would NOT be true! It is NOT true that teachers in K-12 schools in WI are LIBERALS!!!! I KNOW because I know numerous colleagues in public education in WI who are CONSERVATIVES! Let’s show the young adults who read the comments on Gazettextra that OLDER ADULTS do know how to discuss with CIVILITY! What do YOU think?

There are numerous very significant public policy issues which these young adults (be sure you remember that they are CITIZENS of the US whether or not they can vote – ALL of them will vote in the November 2012 US Presidential and other general elections! Forewarned is forearmed!

I urge that older adults WALK the talk! WHY NOT?!) have researched in-depth and have much to share with us. I WILL BE THERE! Will YOU? Live and learn.

By the way, IF you disagree with one of these US citizens on her/his stance on a significant public policy issue, this is YOUR opportunity for a CIVIL DIALOGUE! I know I do NOT agree with each and every one of these young adults, but I respect their research and their analyses so much so that I will express agreement or disagreement with civil dialogue. What do YOU think?

ABSENTEE VOTING has taken off for the RECALL ELECTION in WI! WE THE PEOPLE of WI are really involved with this RECALL ELECTION! I think we will break ALL PREVIOUS VOTER TURN-OUT RECORDS in WI state history! What do YOU expect?

I was much interested to read the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s report by two of their best journalists, Jason Stein and Patrick Marley, “Absentee voting for recall already far exceeds that of primary.” Be sure to access the article online for the benefits of the “Related Coverage” feature with links to other reports.

I am voting absentee. Are YOU going to vote ABSENTEE?

Here we go…

Mr. E.

John Eyster lives in the Edgerton area. He is an adjunct professor of political science at UW-Waukesha and an advocate for democracy/civics education in Wisconsin high schools. John is a community blogger and is not a part of The Gazette staff. His opinion is not necessarily that of the The Gazette staff or management.

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GrandmaM
May 25, 2012 at 7:20 a.m.
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Teachers are individuals, each with individual political leaning. Unions are organizations. Individuals are free to think and to vote for whomever they feel is the best candidate regardless of who their union or other organization endorses.

As a retired UW employee, I can assure you that in higher education there is every stripe of political leaning, and although many like to discuss the issues (on their own time, in my case in the State Van commuting to Madison), in all my years at the UW I never encountered disrespect or nastiness in those discussions, and I learned more about what the other side was thinking and why. It may not have changed my mind much, but it enhanced my understanding of what they were thinking, and they learned of my views.

boredAgain
May 24, 2012 at 11:36 p.m.
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I'll agree with Donnaw, though, a lot of pressure does exist on teachers to be liberal, from various sources. It varies from district to district though; guess mine just happens to be a little more open to different viewpoints. Heck, one really conservative teacher is best friends with one of our most liberal teachers. Now if only our politicians could mirror that!

boredAgain
May 24, 2012 at 11:29 p.m.
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As I read many of the comments, I wonder how many people here have actually been a student in the past 10 years. Or even stepped in a school. Because as a current student, I can very honestly say my teachers probably 60-40 liberal to conservative.

Also, even though a bias or stereotype exists, that doesn't mean you have to believe it. It's up to you to actually talk with people and educate yourself, rather than judge them, then blame the stereotype for somehow forcing you to believe it. Stereotypes exist only because people choose not to question them. That also goes for saying that a union completely represents the views of all people affiliated in any way. Definitely not true, I've had many teachers--even very liberal ones--that disagree with unions and agree with conservatives over some issues.

illdrinktothat
May 24, 2012 at 9:20 p.m.
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You must be smokin' some good stuff there Rick.

billnewbie
May 24, 2012 at 7:55 p.m.
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John, as you can see from the posts on the story titled "CRG tied to anti-teacher flier", hoping for civility amongst our most frequent commenters on the Gazette may be an effort in futility.

As for your assertion that the generalizations of educators as liberals is totally untrue, isn't that a matter of perception? For instance, you are what I would consider to be quite liberal. Yet you yourself probably think that you are much closer to the center than I do. Therefore, when you say that educators in Wisconsin aren't liberal, you obviously mean that they aren't to the left of you. That doesn't mean they aren't liberal.

By the way, those conservative, relative to you and probably liberal to me, colleagues you know don't really amount to much since they and all the other colleagues in education that you know comprise only a small fraction of the sum total of educators in Wisconsin. And since you know only a handful of those educators, the few you know may very well comprise a statistical aberration, couldn't that be true?)

janesvillefirst
May 24, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.
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More "bizzarity" from Eyster. When is the last time you seen a group of conservative teachers (oxymoron)demonstrating at the Capitol? I thought, your thoughts, could not ever become more ridiculous than your last, but again, you and gayprimer continue to out do yourself with each successive blather.

wislady
May 24, 2012 at 3:02 p.m.
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Shopierehuh

Scott Walker is not privatizing deer hunting.

Joe_McC
May 24, 2012 at 2:03 p.m.
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Third_Eye,

Eyster said, "I was much interested to read the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s report by two of their best journalists, ...."

Eyster is borderline literate.

Third_Eye
May 24, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.
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John, I often wonder why these folks who don't like the way you write bother to come to your blog and further their frustration by leaving a comment.

garyprimer
May 24, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
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Don't be poaching
the Sheriff of Nottingham's deer!

Shopierehuh
May 24, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
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Here is something that outdoors lovers should read before they vote. This is a link to an article about the privatization of public lands in Wisconsin by Walker and his handlers. Those of you who hunt and fish, those who use the county forests, the state forests, the water access, boat launches, the hiking and walking trails, the state campgrounds should be concerned and read this and think about it before voting on June 5.

In Texas there is very little public land. If you do not have several thousand dollars for a deer lease, you do not deer hunt. Texas is where Walker's "deer czar" is from, he intends to implement Texas style deer hunting in Wisconsin.

http://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/featur...

garyprimer
May 24, 2012 at 8:42 a.m.
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Some of you are too insecure to consider another point of view.
You fear that that you may be wrong.
You react with anger.
Mommy and Daddy didn't do a very good job, did they?

one943
May 24, 2012 at 7:16 a.m.
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"UNusually lacking in CIVILITY on the part of several readers who have commented. WHY?"

It's because of the way you write John

donnaw
May 24, 2012 at 7:15 a.m.
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Also I have afew relatives who are teachers. The one relative who is a conservative doesn't even venture into a discussion of politics at school because the discussions are so derisive of conservatives. She fears retribution if they were to find out she was conservative. Eyster, you are nuts!.

Northman
May 24, 2012 at 6:37 a.m.
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“The generalizations of educators as LIBERALS is totally untrue…”

Oh my, just how is the weather out there in the land of denial? Let’s consider why those of us who aren’t educators might think this is true. Start with the teachers’ public face, the unions. It’s becoming increasingly hard to distinguish the NEA and AFT from the DNC. When’s the last time the NEA endorsed a Republican? When’s the last time our local teachers’ unions endorsed a Republican? How many school systems push agendas that are socially progressive rather than conservative in nature? Saying that you happen to know a conservative teacher hardly refutes the generalization!

What next – maybe you’ll remount your high horse and tell us that the mainstream media isn’t really liberal either?

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